Cop Question

Halfneck said:
Low Clip: example, Al Mar SERE 2000
Con - because it sits deep in the pocket it is not as quick to access.


i dont understand why it would be slower to access.

personally speaking. when carrying a tip-up, i usually plunge my thumb (down to the webbing) into my pocket, and grab the knife.

the only time i find a high clip faster to access is with a tip-down, because i have to pinch the piviot area to draw the knife.
 
drano said:
the only time i find a high clip faster to access is with a tip-down, because i have to pinch the piviot area to draw the knife.
Heck, if you grab the clip on the outside with your fingers, along with the handle with your thumb like you describe, it shouldn't matter -- tip up, tip down, heck, tip sideways, you have plenty to grab when drawing a clipped knife!
 
Take a look at the clip on Mcusta and Browning Ice Storm knives. They are the lowest riding knives I have seen.
 
gallowglass said:
Alameda, *snipped

I hate to see a guy carrying a $1100 Kimber and a $3 knife. I mean, which are you going to use more?

Hunt well,
Jeff

Funny you mention this and I just read it!!!

Ten minutes ago a friend stopped by to say hello. He is from another juridiction so we tend to only see each other during the holiday season. There, strapped on his side was one of the nicest customized .45ACP's I have ever seen in a LE duty weapon. I figure he has well over $2,000 in this weapon and it shows, what a beauty. Of course in his right front pocket is a folding knife he bought off E-bay for $0.01, plus $3.50 in shipping. It had an awful edge, awful blade play and the liner lock would have failed if you whacked it against toilet paper!! I pointed this out to him, but he's not a knife person and just does not "get it". Nope....

I shiit-canned that absolute POS and gave him a Nice 2000 Emerson Commander that someone had given me. While I know he saw/felt the differences I don't belive he appreciates them. I guess should the need arise where he needs to cut something, only then will he hopefully "get-it"

Most Cops know and appreciate fine firearms, many would not hesitate to drop a $1000 or more but buy a good knife?

I'm relieved that most would never engage in a knife fight!!!!!:eek:
 
wolfmann601 said:
I shiit-canned that absolute POS and gave him a Nice 2000 Emerson Commander that someone had given me. While I know he saw/felt the differences I don't belive he appreciates them. I guess should the need arise where he needs to cut something, only then will he hopefully "get-it"
Most Cops know and appreciate fine firearms, many would not hesitate to drop a $1000 or more but buy a good knife?
I'm relieved that most would never engage in a knife fight!!!!!:eek:


Kudos to you, Wolfman!

No officer or soldier should be using sub-par equipment in the field if a smarter alternative exists.

:thumbup:

Well done,
B.
 
Gryffin said:
Heck, if you grab the clip on the outside with your fingers, along with the handle with your thumb like you describe, it shouldn't matter -- tip up, tip down, heck, tip sideways, you have plenty to grab when drawing a clipped knife!


yea thats true if all you want to do is get a hold of the knife.

but if you just grab a tip-down like you would a tip up, how would you open the knife? you cant, unless you do a reverse inertial flip and end up in an ice-pick grip.
 
drano said:
yea thats true if all you want to do is get a hold of the knife.

but if you just grab a tip-down like you would a tip up, how would you open the knife? you cant, unless you do a reverse inertial flip and end up in an ice-pick grip.
I don't see your point; I draw the knife up, whether it's tip up or tip down. It comes out of the pocket more or less parallel with my fingers. What's differennt is how I turn it after it's out: top end forward for tip-down knives, top-end backwards for tip-up knives. Works well for me.

(Well, except that my EDC rotation includes both tip-up and tip-down knives, and I invariably forget which I'm carrying once in a while!)
 
Gryffin said:
(Well, except that my EDC rotation includes both tip-up and tip-down knives, and I invariably forget which I'm carrying once in a while!)

thats why im being so anal about this. because it happens to me every once in a while too!

i dont like having my knife out any longer than need be. id rather cut what i need and have the blade away and in my pocket before anybody notices.

just dont like fumbling with my knife.

Plus its "How you turn it after its out" that bothers me. personally, im more liable to drop the knife at this stage. id rather have a solid grip on it in the begining.
 
"I expect to pass through life but once.
If therefore, there be any kindness I can show,
or any good thing I can do to any fellow being,
let me do it now, and not defer or neglect it,
as I shall not pass this way again."
-William Penn (1644-1718)

fulloflead:

The above quote is probably the best thought that I (and anyone) will take from this thread. Thank you for that, my friend.

To all the others (and Eric) you have more than answered my question about the pros and cons of knife carry!

Glad I found this site!

Dan
 
Why is it that the knife nut who isn't a cop knows all about cops, but the cop who isn't a knife nut doesn't know anything about knives, or how to shoot. And yes, knives are weapons just as much as my Kimber is a tool!
 
Meeker

Where'd you get this
"don't know how to shoot"?

I said I came here to BladeForum to find out about knives from guys who know about them. Most cops I know, and see on a dailey, baisis don't have a clue about knives.

And cops are about as likely to use a knife against an attacker as we would be to use bomb. I'd use a knife as the last of the last resort.

Hope I haven't offended you, or anyone by my question which started out about the pros and cons of carry clips.

Dan
 
Alameda:
First off, let me say welcome to BF!! And second, I think you asked a good question!! I am not offended in any way, as I think it is a valid question to ask.
 
To be honest, I'm not sure I understand the concern a police officer might have with an exposed knife. It's not like you need to hide anything, if you're already walking around with a gun, baton/nightstick, 3D cell Maglight, pepper spray (perhaps), etc. The only situation I can think of where a visible knife might come into question would be when cuffing or subduing a suspect, he sees the knife and makes a grab for it. If this is a problem/concern, you could always carry the knife in a fold-over sheath on your belt.

If you're still concerned about a knife being a weapon, there's alternatives. There are several companies that make rescue knives that are specifically designed for what a cop should be carrying a knife for. Check out the Spyderco Assist. The tip of the blade is completely blunt so it's useless as a stabbing weapon, and nearly usesless as a slasher. But cutting seatbelts and flexi-cuffs is easy with minimal risk to whomever you're freeing. Squeeze the blade when the knife is closed, and a carbide glass breaker pops out. With this knife, you can break a car's side window, cut the seatbelt, and rescue a person from a car, all with one tool. The knife even has a built-in whistle. If you want a really specific tool, look at the Benchmade Rescue Hook.

I said in my first post that I'd reccomend to all cops to carry a knife, but let me now extend this to multitools. A knife with easy access could prove to be invaluable, as could a multitool with a good pair of pliars and various screwdrivers. A great comprimise would be a Leatherman Ti or XTi, which combines the multitool with an easily-opened blade and a pocket clip.

I see much less need for concern about how well a cop's knife would perform as a self-defense tool. A cop will have much more effective tools at his disposal (gun, baton, big flashlight, etc), and more importantly, his training, to keep him alive. I'd expect a knife to be the very, very last resort.


I see lots of cops here that carry a knife, and often I'm pleasantly supprised to see a real quality knife. Spotted a Benchmade auto in a cop's pocket just the other day at Whataburger (probably a 9050 or 9100). Still more carry a multitool of some sort on their belt (usually Gerber or Leatherman).

What I'll expect you'll notice, if you start carrying a knife, is that suddenly you'll wonder how you got by without one. Most people simply don't realize how useful a sharp piece of metal can be in urban daily life. I use a knife all the time at work for opening boxes and food packaging. I use it at home to open mail/packages, to get the plastic wrappers and those infuriating "Security Device Enclosed" stickers off. I use it at Circle K to cut those plastic tie thingies they bundle newspapers with when the clerk forgot to. And I dare anybody to open a clamshell package without a very sharp tool (or a welding torch). I gave my old Leatherman Squirt S4 (small keychain tool with scissors) to a friend, and she's amazed at how useful having a dinky pair of scissors is. My point is, even if you buy a knife to carry for only for those rarified situations where a knife can save somebody's life (including your own), you're going to find that you use it much, much more than that. You'll wonder how you ever got along with out it. And if you forget to carry it one day, I'll bet that you'll come across a situation (no matter how minor) where you wish you hadn't forgotten it. That's the main reason we here carry a knife (or several). It's simply a damn useful thing to have.
 
I have carried a Spyderco, or an Emerson, on duty for many years and found that the knife that sits lower in the pocket doesn't snag on your holster or other equipment as much. I also have a Leatherman handy too, but always have at least two knives on me while working. Where I live, it seems everyone has a knife with a pocket clip, or a belt pouch.
 
planterz & meeker

There was a misunderstanding about my question.

I, as a cop, am not in the least concerned about seeing someone carry a knife (exposed)!

In fact, when seeing a knife in someone's pocket (on or off duty) the first thing that goes through my mind is this:

the guy ( I haven't noticed a gal, yet) showing the knife.....is not hiding the knife. I was not from the git go saying that I was assuming any motive for his knife!!

My question is (and was) for me as a cop:

Is it better (easier) to get to the knife (in your hand) depending on how much of the knife rides (shows) above the pocket....boot....whatever?

My big mistake here at BladeForum was even pointing out my job! Big mistake, Dan!

I would also like to thank (he may be surprised) "fulloflead" ,for mentioning the Al Mar Sere 2000. This is a real possible carry knife for me.....as I do like the low profile carry.

At any rate I am getting an education about knives.

And about the use of a knife "on the job"?

My Chief would rather I unload a full magazine on someone before resorting to cutting his/her throat (or any body part) with a blade.

When I say the knife is the last resort, you have no idea what I mean.

Would I use it?

Yes.

Dan
 
Heh....if Alameda asked for knife recommendations in this thread I've completely missed that part. But since the threads veerin' an' a driftin' anyways....

When I worked security at a Native Hospital, I got into quite a few of impromptu rasslin' matches. I started carrying auto knives while on duty there. The reasoning is a little unique. The average drunk, skell, wife thumper, etc. that I rassled with in there was generally not much a knife person. So if I carried my BM AFO, or a Dalton Cupid with safety, and if it popped outta my pocket and they gained access to it, I generally would have a couple seconds to either safely take it back off them, pepper spray 'em, or run like hell.

This was after an incident when an AFCK popped out and the other rassler and I eyeballed it and dove at the same time. Thankfully, I dove a little faster.

talkin' about cops and knives...it seems so strange sometimes it seems like it varies by department or something, same thing with EMTs. One bunch I worked with seemed like they must have been assigning various Spydercos and Benchmades I saw so many. A different bunch fifteen minutes away saw me carrying an Emerson P-SARK and thought I was a mad man.

Here in the Valley it's unusual to see a State Trooper NOT carrying a decent knife, Microtechs, Benchmades, etc. Whenever I see Anchorage Police, they rarely seem to have knives on them. It's odd to note. What's even odder is that I even notice these stupid details...:rolleyes:

Anyhoo, welcome to the forums Alameda. Stick around here long enough and we'll have ya' convinced it's not safe to go get your newspaper without at least a Benchmade or two on ya'.:D
 
looks like we pretty much cross posted.

For what it's worth, I don't think any of us here are considering knives as a weapon, just a handy tool.

SERE 2K is an awesome knife though. rides DEEEEP in the pocket and it's an excellent slicer. I used to have a lanyard on mine, just so I could access it a little easier. Probably not something you're wantin' though. (the lanyard that is...)

To truly get back to the base question of your post knife access- yes...actually it's much easier to reach a knife that rides higher in the pocket, than one that's low. Easier for the carrier, as well as others to reach. Also often times, but not always easier to knock out of your pocket bumping into a doorway or something.


So, since you're a cop, the knife I think you really need is either the Black& Decker Pecker Wrecker or the Crazy Cop Carnal Eviscerator......:D
 
R with S

You're the kinda guy who generally on a stop (depending on the age of the cop), gets moved along.

Dan

P.S.

I also think we've had it on this thread?
 
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