Corona thread. No politics please

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Houlahound said:
Haha, do you know any teachers. Remote and or self paced learning has been a fantasy of bueracrats forever.

It only works on a minority of elite students that will excel regardless of what schools do or don't provide.

The rest especially low socioeconomic groups will be hugely disadvantaged and get further behind.

Not to mention the increase in domestic violence and child abuse increasing numbers of children are guaranteed to be victims of as a direct result of lockdwns and remote learning.
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My wife, so keep laughing, chuckles.

Our school is offering a home school branch/option. I know a few families who are figuring out really quickly how to help each other, sharing resources and coordinating with each other to help provide for each other to home school together.

Someone will figure out how to make a business model out of it. That's my bet.


I also know of teachers taking a leave (or even early retirement) this year who are about to make $20-25 /per student, per hour of facilitated home school instruction.

Never let a crisis go to waste. It will be a business model soon.
 
TRfromMT said:
My wife, so keep laughing, chuckles.

Our school is offering a home school branch/option. I know a few families who are figuring out really quickly how to help each other, sharing resources and coordinating with each other to help provide for each other to home school together.

Someone will figure out how to make a business model out of it. That's my bet.


I also know of teachers taking a leave (or even early retirement) this year who are about to make $20-25 /per student, per hour of facilitated home school instruction.

Never let a crisis go to waste. It will be a business model soon.
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Hey I agree totally with you, a lot of people are going to make a lot of money, absolutely no doubt.

My point still stands, the parents of schoolchildren with the means, the time, the temperament, the support, the community and the know how will be fine and so will their kids.

It's the significant rest of the kids who will suffer greatly and be left even further behind and have their best chances at a future and a decent life destroyed as a direct result of not being at school.



Spare a thought for them if you care to.
 
Houlahound said:
Hey I agree totally with you, a lot of people are going to make a lot of money, absolutely no doubt.

My point still stands, the parents of schoolchildren with the means, the time, the temperament, the support, the community and the know how will be fine and so will their kids.

It's the significant rest of the kids who will suffer greatly and be left even further behind and have their best chances destroyed amongst even more harm they will receive as a direct result of not being at school.

Spare a thought for them if you care to.
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In am mulling over the pod based home school thing and I genuinely hope it could be successful, and I truly hope it could be a way to help kids have a place to go if they would be neglected otherwise. I really do see it as a way to have neighbor helping neighbor again, parenting over the backyard fence, like the good ol' days once again.

Being IN school is necessary. Being taught is necessary. Things are changing, but I see a silver lining here.

I'm not excited to see it also an immediate target for capitalism, but that seems inevitable.
 
TRfromMT said:
In am mulling over the pod based home school thing and I genuinely hope it could be successful, and I truly hope it could be a way to help kids have a place to go if they would be neglected otherwise. I really do see it as a way to have neighbor helping neighbor again, parenting over the backyard fence, like the good ol' days once again.

Being IN school is necessary. Being taught is necessary. Things are changing, but I see a silver lining here.

I'm not excited to see it also an immediate target for capitalism, but that seems inevitable.
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Problem is for too many kids the neighbourhoods and neighbours simply are not safe places.
 
Our home is doing both this year.

My fiancé’s daughter and my son are both going into Grade 1. My son had a good time in Kindergarten, so he’s going back for September. My step-daughter will be going into Directed Learning, so homeschool with 1 Classroom day a week as she was diagnosed with ADHD and anxiety. She had a challenging year in kindergarten but is academically way ahead of her average peer.

Covid didn’t really play into the decision. We’ve setup our home to accommodate all the kids learning at home. My 3.5 year old daughter will start preschool learning as well.

My fiancé is a stay at home as we have the young kids, but I grew up in a welfare complex surrounded by kids that like me had mostly single mothers who were largely absent, abusive and substance abusers. Or all of the above. Absolutely no way I could imagine us homeschooling as kids. School was the most stable thing in our lives, most of us relied on it for regular healthy food.

Later High school became a total hell and I can picture Homeschooling working much better at that age ironically.

I have worked extremely hard to get to where I am today, with little help or support but like many of my peers, we’ve reached the limit of tolerance for income taxation. We’re not willing to support more programs at this point and with Canada’s exploding federal debt levels, I can’t see how the Government will be able to expand programs like homeschooling over next few years with the inevitable service cuts due to budget cuts.
 
marchone said:
Some epidemiologists are saying the normal flu season is off to a slow start due to widespread mask use for Covid.
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Yep. SARS-CoV-2 has significantly higher infectivity compared to the flu.

Any mitigation measures that are effective against SARS-CoV-2 are even more effective against the flu. The Southern Hemisphere is in the middle of their typical flu season and the countries where mitigation measures for SARS-CoV-2 are being followed, are simply not seeing a 'flu season'.
 
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JustinFournier said:
Our home is doing both this year.

My fiancé’s daughter and my son are both going into Grade 1. My son had a good time in Kindergarten, so he’s going back for September. My step-daughter will be going into Directed Learning, so homeschool with 1 Classroom day a week as she was diagnosed with ADHD and anxiety. She had a challenging year in kindergarten but is academically way ahead of her average peer.

Covid didn’t really play into the decision. We’ve setup our home to accommodate all the kids learning at home. My 3.5 year old daughter will start preschool learning as well.

My fiancé is a stay at home as we have the young kids, but I grew up in a welfare complex surrounded by kids that like me had mostly single mothers who were largely absent, abusive and substance abusers. Or all of the above. Absolutely no way I could imagine us homeschooling as kids. School was the most stable thing in our lives, most of us relied on it for regular healthy food.

Later High school became a total hell and I can picture Homeschooling working much better at that age ironically.

I have worked extremely hard to get to where I am today, with little help or support but like many of my peers, we’ve reached the limit of tolerance for income taxation. We’re not willing to support more programs at this point and with Canada’s exploding federal debt levels, I can’t see how the Government will be able to expand programs like homeschooling over next few years with the inevitable service cuts due to budget cuts.
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Good on you for overcoming your significant obstacles, much respect.
 
Hard to make sense comparing numbers when the flu goes mostly unreported as a cause of death while Covid is most likely over reported by not being adjusted for comorbity and reports of doctors to being pressured to report every other thing as a covid death:

"In the U.S., from Oct. 1, 2019 – Apr. 4, 2020, the CDC estimates that 24,000 to 62,000 people died from the flu. (The CDC does not know the exact number because the flu is not a reportable disease in most parts of the U.S.)"
 
Casinostocks said:
Maybe more application and observations of mask wearing and other precautions are working. Maybe the virus has accelerated through the people who are were most at risk through its first phase.
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- People are generally being more cautious.

- And yes, the greatest severity and fatalities for Covid-19 have always been in the older demographic. The majority of the new cases in the US for example, are in younger demographics now, so much so that the 20 - 40 y/o segment is accounting for the greatest percentage of new cases.
 
WValtakis said:
I stated my reasoning pretty clearly, and it's the way I've felt about mask wearing the whole time. I'm not in BC, where I am things are on a huge uptick because of people refusing to accommodate simple and mildly inconvenient guidelines.
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BC saw 124 new cases today, which is an eye popping jump from this time last month where we were a little under 50
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anyone who thinks this is going away or is going to subside or thinks that it doesn't affect them is going to be thinking again soon enough. This is just getting started and is absolutely going to roll us. If you don't like wearing a mask, don't go out. That's what I do. I hate wearing a mask, so I don't go out. When I go out, I wear a mask. I only go out for essentials, no shits and giggles
 
Lorien said:
BC saw 124 new cases today, which is an eye popping jump from this time last month where we were a little under 50
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anyone who thinks this is going away or is going to subside or thinks that it doesn't affect them is going to be thinking again soon enough. This is just getting started and is absolutely going to roll us. If you don't like wearing a mask, don't go out. That's what I do. I hate wearing a mask, so I don't go out. When I go out, I wear a mask. I only go out for essentials, no shits and giggles
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Honestly, I think it’s going to become endemic.
 
JustinFournier said:
I mean to say that I think SARS-CoV-2 will become endemic, in that it will continue to spread and become one of the many illnesses that continue to mutate and move though regional populations year after year.

I do not believe it can be contained.
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I think I understand what you mean, although I have to disagree with the first part
the second part, I absolutely agree with
 
Lorien said:
I think I understand what you mean, although I have to disagree with the first part
the second part, I absolutely agree with
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Interesting perspective. If you don’t think it can be contained, what prevents it from becoming endemic?

My understand of the topic is limited.

From what I’ve read and how I’ve understood it, the weaker the symptoms a virus strain creates, the better a virus tends to spread. That strain outcompetes the others as it burns though the host reservoir, and that trend continues.

So if we can’t stop it from spreading, and it continues to mutate, what prevents it from becoming endemic like the other colds and flus that go around every year?

We can’t wear masks, social distance and keep businesses operating like they are now in many places for much longer. I’m 100% certain that the majority of businesses in my area will close soon if they can’t find a way to get around the current limitations. There are already tons of businesses permanently closed. Starbucks is even permanently closing many locations. You can’t go to any strip mall without seeing at least a few places closed down.
 
JustinFournier said:
I mean to say that I think SARS-CoV-2 will become endemic, in that it will continue to spread and become one of the many illnesses that continue to mutate and move though regional populations year after year.

I do not believe it can be contained.
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This is very likely.

The H1N1 strain that caused the 1918 pandemic is not the same as the H1N1 circulating today. It continued circulating until it disappeared somewhere around the 1950s.

As a matter of fact, the H1N1 variant circulating today is also not the same as what circulated 20 years ago. The commonly circulating H1N1 variant today is called H1N1-pdm09 and is a genetic shift mutation that surfaced in 2009. The antigenic shift (large mutation) vs antigenic drift (the common small mutations) is why the HC community overreacted a little to H1N1-pdm09. They were worried that people may not have exhibited much immunity due to the larger differences. As it turns out, there was high enough cross-reactivity to provide similar immunity to the prior circulating H1N1 variant.

This virus has spread far enough that it will likely be endemic. What's concerning is that there have now been multiple cases around the world of confirmed reinfection (including the first US case). Reinfection was confirmed by comparing the 1st vs 2nd infection strains in esch individual and noting the differing small mutations in different clades.
 
bluemax_1 said:
This is very likely.

The H1N1 strain that caused the 1918 pandemic is not the same as the H1N1 circulating today. It continued circulating until it disappeared somewhere around the 1950s.

As a matter of fact, the H1N1 variant circulating today is also not the same as what circulated 20 years ago. The commonly circulating H1N1 variant today is called H1N1-pdm09 and is a genetic shift mutation that surfaced in 2009. The antigenic shift (large mutation) vs antigenic drift (the common small mutations) is why the HC community overreacted a little to H1N1-pdm09. They were worried that people may not have exhibited much immunity due to the larger differences. As it turns out, there was high enough cross-reactivity to provide similar immunity to the prior circulating H1N1 variant.

This virus has spread far enough that it will likely be endemic. What's concerning is that there have now been multiple cases around the world of confirmed reinfection (including the first US case). Reinfection was confirmed by comparing the 1st vs 2nd infection strains in esch individual and noting the differing small mutations in different clades.
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Thank you for providing a relevant historical example.

And thanks for the info on the reinfection. Having it twice already, that’s rough.

Interesting times to come this fall I am sure.
 
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