Could it be that Wally World is finally losing it's stranglehold on certain manufacturers?

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Many years ago I finally understood why so many products sold at Walmart were so much less than other places.
They not only had the buying power of being able to buy in seriously high numbers/bulk, they also had so many locations, that they often became the largest sellers of any given product. That meant that the manufacturers felt they had to bend over backwards in giving Walmart extremely good deals on their merchandise, being that they often depended on those sales to even stay afloat.

A product example of this "much cheaper than others" is/was Buck's 110 Folding Hunter and the fixed blade 119 Special.
Both are made in the USA, and both being sold lower at Walmart than anybody else could sell them for.

Fast forward to present day, and I read that the Buck 110 is now selling at Wally World for $60 on their website, (which I verified to be true). Now, that places it in line with most of the other knife dealers out there. Before the new Walmart price of $60, it was common for them to be found there for under $40, (leather sheath and all).

Could it be that Buck finally decided on not allowing the skimped down special Walmart pricing to continue?

Again, often times the manufacturers felt they had little choice because their very survival often depended on the sales of their products being done through Walmart....
But, Buck is a very big name in the knife industry, and they have so many outlets for their products, that maybe they finally just told Walmart that they could still get good bulk pricing, but only comparable to what other large stores pay for them, not the very low prices that they were likely paying.

Anyhow, sure enough, the Wally World pricing for the Buck 110 is $60 on their website. That is totally in line with other well known sellers, including KnifeCenter.

This could be Buck's way of finally not allowing Walmart to way undercut the other dealers on the Buck 110, (and other models), so that those other dealers can compete on a more level playing field.

Will Wally World drop the Buck 110, now that they can't sell them so cheap anymore? 🤔

If this is a new trend for Buck, and maybe other companies, (especially those making USA made products), then I see it as a good thing in the long run, even if it does mean them losing Wally World's huge distribution.

Btw, in recent years I'd walk into the sporting goods section of a Walmart and see the Buck 110 for something like $38, and just thought to myself... WOW!
Like wow, has Buck really done a great job at mastering the art of making a good USA product and selling it for a fantastic price. The leather sheath being made in Mexico didn't bug me, since it was still a decent quality sheath, and was at least made in North America. A brand new Buck 110 for $38?... that was just crazy!

Anyhow, what say you guys on this?
 
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Walmart killed Schrade.
End of story for me.

Yes, Sir, they would twist arms and anything else they could, to make sure you gave them extremely low prices on goods. This often lead to companies having to choose going overseas to produce their goods, in order to give Walmart the pricing they wanted. Not doing so would sometimes cause the companies to fail.


While Buck did crater to Wally World in having some specific models be made overseas, in recent years they chose to reduce the percentage of those overseas products.

Now this thing with the Buck 110, I could see Walmart telling Buck that the prices got to stay low for them, and Buck saying, we can't, our costs have gone up, not down or stabilized. The only option at that point would be to possibly make the 110's that would sell at Walmart be from overseas... And I don't believe Buck wants to mess with going that route any longer, especially for such Americana as a Buck 110 👍🇺🇸👍
 
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They did worse than that...
Schrade was already in a pretty tough spot. They were pretty labor intensive, and there was no room in the pricing for Walmart's way.
After dangling the big knife orders under their noses, and letting Schrade start to expand their production capabilities to meet those commitments: They came back to them with a counter-offer.
"If you outsource production to China, and re-badge under your name: you8 can give us the prices' that we want."
Schrade (to their credit) did not want to risk compromising the quality of their knives; so Walmart killed the deal.
The expenses incurred by Schrade during that time is what ultimately forced them to cease U.S. production of knives...
 
They did worse than that...
Schrade was already in a pretty tough spot. They were pretty labor intensive, and there was no room in the pricing for Walmart's way.
After dangling the big knife orders under their noses, and letting Schrade start to expand their production capabilities to meet those commitments: They came back to them with a counter-offer.
"If you outsource production to China, and re-badge under your name: you8 can give us the prices' that we want."
Schrade (to their credit) did not want to risk compromising the quality of their knives; so Walmart killed the deal.
The expenses incurred by Schrade during that time is what ultimately forced them to cease U.S. production of knives...


Yes, Sir... There have been so many stories like this. Truly sad 😔

Buck moved out of California because it wanted to stay afloat while continuing to be an American made knife company. For the most part, they succeeded.

With all the online buying that people do nowadays, Walmart brick & mortar stores are not as important to well grounded companies anymore. I think Buck's model 110 situation with Walmart is a sign that Buck wants to be in full control of their own destiny
👍🇺🇸👍
 
This could be Buck's way of finally not allowing Walmart to way undercut the other dealers on the Buck 110, (and other models), so that those other dealers can compete on a more level playing field.

Will Wally World drop the Buck 110, now that they can't sell them so cheap anymore? 🤔

Last time I checked, free enterprise was still alive and well in democratic North America. Walmart can set their prices however they want. Buck does not own Walmart. I assume Walmart is smart enough to still be making a profit at whatever price point they set on the 110.

As Jill said above, the issue is that costs are increasing everywhere (mostly driven by pandemic fallout affecting raw material availability, manufacturing and shipping and logistical lead times) so I suspect Buck has simply raised their prices to Walmart (and every other distributor). Walmart is raising their own prices as a result.
 
One thing I'm always leary about with big places like Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes, etc is that they sometimes have versions of things made just for them that are inferior to the "real" product. Power tools with plastic gears instead of metal, etc. And it is often difficult to tell...there might be one different character in the mile-long model number.
 
Everything has gone way up recently. If Walmart is selling higher, they're paying more. Pretty simple.
This.
Buck doesn't care if dealers sell for under MAP, which is Minimum ADVERTISED Price. MAP is not the same thing as minimum selling price!
No manufacturer can specify a minimum, or any other specific selling price. That would be "Price Fixing", which in the USA, anyway is illegal.

Never heard the tale of WM forcing Schrade out of business before. I heard it was a labor strike demanding higher wages during a somewhat severe recession and management making the "brilliant" decision to lock out the workers that were willing to cross the picket lines.

Don't forget, Farm and Fleet, Tractor Supply, Most if not all Hardware Stores, and all sporting goods stores, Target and Kmart, and a majority of department stores sold Schrade knives.

In 2004 there were a heck of a lot more Kmart and Target stores (and Farm & Fleet, Tractor Supply, and National Hardware chains like ACE) than there were Walmarts. The town/city I grew up in (population at the time 35,000 to 40,000) had the Kmart and Target, along with a Farm and Fleet, a Tractor Supply, 5 or 6 sporting goods/gun shops, and more than 10 hardware stores. No Walmart. I don't know if there was a Walmart in the state of Iowa when I was growing up. I know the town/city I grew up in didn't get one until 2009 or 2010.

Even the the Quad Cities 60 miles away (population around 125,000 for Davenport, Iowa alone. I don't know the combined total of Davenport, Bettendorf, Rock Island, Moline, East Moline was when I was a youngling. The "Quint Cities" never gained traction. Even today locals call it "The Quad Cities".) didn't have a Walmart until after 2009 or 2010/2011. My "crazy" great aunt (she was a single mum with a late hubby and 9 kids. "Insanity is hereditary -- you get it from your kids." is true, btw.) made a big deal about it to my dad when one opened in Davenport.
 
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I was out and about this morning, and since there was a Walmart near my travels, I stopped in to see if the price increase was a thing yet, (with sometimes old inventory having old prices). But, nope, $60 is the current price.
I guess I just had to see it with my own two eyes 😅
 

An absolutely great read, Sir! 🇺🇸

Btw, it accurately describes the stranglehold that Walmart can have on a company. Thanks for sharing! 👍
 
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When I joined here the guy in charge of buying knives for Walmart and Sam’s club was an active member here. It was interesting to here some of the inner goings on.

I hope Buck is playing hardball with Walmart. Buck deserves better.
 
Many years ago I finally understood why so many products sold at Walmart were so much less than other places.
They not only had the buying power of being able to buy in seriously high numbers/bulk, they also had so many locations, that they often became the largest sellers of any given product. That meant that the manufacturers felt they had to bend over backwards in giving Walmart extremely good deals on their merchandise, being that they often depended on those sales to even stay afloat.

A product example of this "much cheaper than others" is/was Buck's 110 Folding Hunter and the fixed blade 119 Special.
Both are made in the USA, and both being sold lower at Walmart than anybody else could sell them for.

Fast forward to present day, and I read that the Buck 110 is now selling at Wally World for $60 on their website, (which I verified to be true). Now, that places it in line with most of the other knife dealers out there. Before the new Walmart price of $60, it was common for them to be found there for under $40, (leather sheath and all).

Could it be that Buck finally decided on not allowing the skimped down special Walmart pricing to continue?

Again, often times the manufacturers felt they had little choice because their very survival often depended on the sales of their products being done through Walmart....
But, Buck is a very big name in the knife industry, and they have so many outlets for their products, that maybe they finally just told Walmart that they could still get good bulk pricing, but only comparable to what other large stores pay for them, not the very low prices that they were likely paying.

Anyhow, sure enough, the Wally World pricing for the Buck 110 is $60 on their website. That is totally in line with other well known sellers, including KnifeCenter.

This could be Buck's way of finally not allowing Walmart to way undercut the other dealers on the Buck 110, (and other models), so that those other dealers can compete on a more level playing field.

Will Wally World drop the Buck 110, now that they can't sell them so cheap anymore? 🤔

If this is a new trend for Buck, and maybe other companies, (especially those making USA made products), then I see it as a good thing in the long run, even if it does mean them losing Wally World's huge distribution.

Btw, in recent years I'd walk into the sporting goods section of a Walmart and see the Buck 110 for something like $38, and just thought to myself... WOW!
Like wow, has Buck really done a great job at mastering the art of making a good USA product and selling it for a fantastic price. The leather sheath being made in Mexico didn't bug me, since it was still a decent quality sheath, and was at least made in North America. A brand new Buck 110 for $38?... that was just crazy!

Anyhow, what say you guys on this?
on the Buck 110 depends where ya are....ive played with vpn to hide cookies and picked locations in the boonies....


see my pics and you'll get it....

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^in rural area.....

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^in bigger city area....
 
on the Buck 110 depends where ya are....ive played with vpn to hide cookies and picked locations in the boonies....


see my pics and you'll get it....

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^in rural area.....

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^in bigger city area....

I wonder if those lower prices are for stores still having old stock, and as the new inventories come in, the price will be at $60?

I know the last time I saw one at my local Walmart, before today, they were at that $38 range. Of course today when I decided to check on them, it's at $60.

Dunno, just wondering 🤔
 
Both Walmart and Meijer near me have both stopped carrying Victorinox knives.

Not sure if it’s because of pricing or overseas supply chain issues.
 
I wonder if those lower prices are for stores still having old stock, and as the new inventories come in, the price will be at $60?

I know the last time I saw one at my local Walmart, before today, they were at that $38 range. Of course today when I decided to check on them, it's at $60.

Dunno, just wondering 🤔
no. I checked many times over many months. seems to me its Walmart way of handling cost of living costs. I tried to game their system but my shipping address killed it. their software caught it and adjusted the price instantly in the cart...even using a new account and name and address under VPN.

edit part..I am sure prices will continue to increase regardless of where you're at due to inflation massive problems, but I'm seeing these large stores have the software to keep in line to the huge cost of living differences.....between a super large metro area and the boonies.
 
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