Counterfeit ZT 0560

PURPLEDC · Apr 21, 2013

evilgreg said:
@ TacOpsEDC & eKretz: I believe PURPLEDC was referring to the 0777 fakes with his post, which if you google them up you will quickly see that they have have no logos.

Thank you for reading my post. I dont know you and may not even agree with my opinion. But I respect anyone that will actually read and understand what they are commenting on. Some people choose to simply skim for something to disagree with. Thank you for not doing that. I see your in illinois, Or what i like to call the Armpit of the midwest. I live in mchenry myself.

eKretz said:
. There are certainly exceptions, and some Chinese products are just fine. Mostly, the ones whose U.S. manufacturers/designers sit over their shoulders babysitting the production and quality control processes. But you already know this, since you know it all.

I dont know everything. But in this case yes I did know because I all ready said it above. But again you skimmed for something to disagree with. There you go with that reading problem again. The rest of post was really just a bunch of pot calling the kettle black and "Merican!" pride. I could take all day and pick it apart but I would only be repeating myself and you either wont or cant read it. Lets just agree that im not going to change your opinion and you sure arent going to change mine. Any more exchange between us is a waste of both our time and typing.

chester22 · Apr 21, 2013

PURPLEDC Please stop with the Dmitry conspiracy already, its getting very old...If it's all that to you, and you don't want to make yourself look any more foolish, contact Dmitry and ask him yourself. And please post his response.

eKretz · Apr 21, 2013

Any more exchange between us is a waste of both our time and typing

Dude, you're clueless. 'Nuff said. I'll agree with you there though.

PURPLEDC · Apr 21, 2013

chester22 said:
PURPLEDC Please stop with the Dmitry conspiracy already, its getting very old...If it's all that to you, and you don't want to make yourself look any more foolish, contact Dmitry and ask him yourself. And please post his response.

Please dont tell me what to post and not post. You have the ability to not read it or to read so maybe you just shouldnt read it. This forum is open to all topics even if you dont agree with them. This isnt going to be the first or the last time you disagree with me or anyone else for that matter. But you dont have the power or authority to tell me what I can and cant question on an open forum. And ill be honest with you. Even if there was an issue in the past with Dmitry's designs being borrowed from, then i dont think he might have signed a non disclosure now that he is collaborating with them. I do know what he wrote on this very forum whether or not he has changed since then doesnt matter to me. At one point he was puzzled over certain similarities to his work yet didnt want to make a scene. I know, I know more conspiracy theories. My best advice? quit reading if you dont like it.

TheSnakeman · Apr 21, 2013

Try not to point out flaws because we dont want them to get better...
Just sayen

Virre87 · Apr 21, 2013

Never realy understand people that make "good" Counterfeits, for exempel i handeled a "Benchmade model 42" some years ago that felt like the real deal, was made from the same materials and so on, with the exeption of beeing a lame fake it was a real good balisong, so when they have the skills of makeing something thats actualy good, why not make ther own brand? I just dont get it, maybe im just a retard

someone explain please.

sorry if offtopic, just felt i had to ask

PURPLEDC · Apr 21, 2013

Virre87 said:
Never realy understand people that make "good" Counterfeits, for exempel i handeled a "Benchmade model 42" some years ago that felt like the real deal, was made from the same materials and so on, with the exeption of beeing a lame fake it was a real good balisong, so when they have the skills of makeing something thats actualy good, why not make ther own brand? I just dont get it, maybe im just a retard someone explain please.

sorry if offtopic, just felt i had to ask

I think the real issue with that is its hard for them to break new ground with a new design. If there is all ready market interest in a particular design its kinda a safe bet that they will sell units. There are a couple chinese designed knives that seem to be doing well in certain circles but its much harder for them to gain traction in a very crowded market. For them it would appear they dont feel its logical to take a risk on an unproven design. What puzzles me are the really bad fakes. The ones that are so bad and so far removed from the original as to not even use the same materials puzzle me.

TheSnakeman said:
Try not to point out flaws because we dont want them to get better...
Just sayen

honestly im not sure it matters anymore. In the past people were weary of mentioning things that arent right about the fakes fearing that the people responsible would catch on and change their manufacturing and make corrections. Honestly though In most cases I think they know exactly what they are doing. When the chinese make a fake of something that doesnt have high quality or isnt correct to the original In either materials or dimensions I think its more of a matter of having to hit a certain price point for the party who commissioned them to do the work. Thats what I would like to know. Just how are they getting the exact dimensions of certain products. I do know awhile back I sold some Microtech autos on a forum to a chinese buyer and he had me ship them somewhere in the usa and they made it to china eventually. I wonder if those knives ended up being reverse engineered or if they have a sophisticated software that can gauge dimensions based on photographs. Just how they get a product from and idea to final product and being so close to the original in some cases has me thinking there are a select few supplying them with knives to reverse engineer. But in the case of the 0777 i have no idea how they did it as they were able to release it before the real one.

espnazi · Apr 22, 2013

Virre87 said:
Never realy understand people that make "good" Counterfeits, for exempel i handeled a "Benchmade model 42" some years ago that felt like the real deal, was made from the same materials and so on, with the exeption of beeing a lame fake it was a real good balisong, so when they have the skills of makeing something thats actualy good, why not make ther own brand? I just dont get it, maybe im just a retard someone explain please.

sorry if offtopic, just felt i had to ask

Because they wont sell as well. The thing is most of the higher end fakes are made to meet demand in markets like Russia, where getting the real thing is 2-3x the price here in the US, and where it is very likely your shipment will get seized if you ship a knife from the US. I'm sure a lot of members would buy knives from these manufacturers if they made their own designs, but the truth is they don't even target the US as a market. Clones in the US usually get here through 3rd party sellers.

waterbeef · Apr 22, 2013

Think of the AK-47 rifle, we have got the 56 style submachine gun as a copy without any help from Russia ,several years after Kalashnikov developed the original model.

What makes it worse , some of the gangsters in Qinghai province ,produce their own "AK" or "56 style" ,and the products have been circulated in and around the boundary of china and even appeared in Africa and Afghanistan.

That's just an example , in the low end international ammo market ,we chinese copy everything, then make the price one-third or maybe quarter of origins while the products work fine if we want.

The reason why they make fake product is nothing but making money.
And they may have succeed in this .

waterbeef · Apr 22, 2013

Btw you can do nothing about those who made fake ZT knives.

We 've got a fake version of almost every thing in china.

Cracking down on fake goods is a constant topic in china in the recent 20 years.

That's kinda like quitting smoking for 3 times every month.