Counterfeits at today's fun-show

[VictorLouis]

Happened upon a case w/about a dozen 'Strider' and nearly that in Sebenza. Prices were too low on the latter, so asked to see an 'zum. Had the right CR, and IDAHO MADE, but the blade was much to shiny, and the grinds were just not quite right. I just said nothing, handed back the knife and moved to the next table.

I don't know if he was related to the other gent, but he had something that looked like a Herbst, but in all black w/G10 inlays and Spyderco written out along the LH side of the blade. The attempt at a PM2 was a joke, as it had atrocious carbon fiber, and the partial serrations looked like they were copied from a ginsu, LOL. The brand, and CPMS30V were all off on their fonts and scrunched together. Didn't handle either one, could see they were that bad just laying there.

 

[91a2jettavr6]

Hey now...I made all of those knives and I don't appreciate your harsh criticism one bit!

 

[JohnnyMayhem]

Did you get a chance to get their business card, or a picture of their booth/website address? I have no problem calling dealers out on selling counterfeit knives.

 

[dzlvs8]

I want a counterfeit Strider. I would never pay $400 for a knife that I would beat up. Uber expensive hard use knives are a joke. Especially since the extra $200 you shell out for the knife is not for quality, lock up etc. Its for internet lore and style. Its a very cool looking knife but anything over $200 is hard to justify unless it is perfect or uses crazy custom materials.

Sorry, I just recently fell i love with the style of a strider but wont ever pay for one since im going to beat on it and it also has a lock on it thats about as play ridden as a SOG.

The gun a nd knife show comes to town next weekend. I never thought I would say it, but I hope I can find a counterfeit Strider.
Haters post below.

 

[Tony8179]

I want a counterfeit Strider. I would never pay $400 for a knife that I would beat up. Uber expensive hard use knives are a joke. Especially since the extra $200 you shell out for the knife is not for quality, lock up etc. Its for internet lore and style. Its a very cool looking knife but anything over $200 is hard to justify unless it is perfect or uses crazy custom materials.

Sorry, I just recently fell i love with the style of a strider but wont ever pay for one since im going to beat on it and it also has a lock on it thats about as play ridden as a SOG.

The gun a nd knife show comes to town next weekend. I never thought I would say it, but I hope I can find a counterfeit Strider.
Haters post below.

It seems as though you posted this in hopes that the haters would come out. Why? Just get a fake Strider and use it. Why would you announce something that no one except fake haters would care about. Unwise. It also sounds like you're willing to pay $200 for a fake. Even more unwise. Where does the magical $200 price tag for the highest quality you can expect come from?

 

[dzlvs8]

It seems as though you posted this in hopes that the haters would come out. Why? Just get a fake Strider and use it. Why would you announce something that no one except fake haters would care about. Unwise. It also sounds like you're willing to pay $200 for a fake. Even more unwise. Where does the magical $200 price tag for the highest quality you can expect come from?

I wanted to post my thoughts on the Strider. I was curious how people would react because i assume I am saying some terrible terrible things. ...Maybe other people's responses/reasoning for buying a Strider would seem legit and make me feel comfortable paying for one??

I'm not going to pay $200 for a fake with a blade made out of ?????aluminum or who knows. Nevermind. I didn't know they would be such a high price.

My $200 price point ($150 really) is because that seems to be about the average price for really really good knives. I'm not a fan of junky flimsy knives. My buck disappoints me that it "dulls" after exclusively cutting tomatoes for two weeks.

Basically I have two reasons for not purchasing a Strider:
1. I already find it hard for me to get my friends to understand my justification for paying for a Benchmade (which has great styling, ridiculously smooth opening, good steel, good waranty, good blade centering, good lock up. So how do I explain to myself and someone else why I bought a strider, which is prone to lock bar wear issues, among other things.

2. I bought an Emersons and an Adamas for hard use and I really dont want to use it hard since I paid so much for it. If I wanted to be uber practical, I would just buy a Buck 110 and a sharpener, but I am willing to pay a little bit more for something nice looking I don't want to feel/be stupid by paying too much more for premium.

To summarize; I try to keep my purchases somewhat practical and there shouldn't be a $200 knife that has better build quality and longevity than a Strider. That's what makes me dismiss them so quickly right now.


If someone offered to trade me straight up my Adamas or an Emerson for their Strider, I would only be doing it for resale valu, S30V vs 154, and because all the internet people would think I'm cooler. I wouldn't be getting anything more oout of the Strider.

(I do still have the Strider SNG and Sebenza bookmarked in case I get caught up in the lore and my addiction gets really bad, though.)

 

[ebidis]

I want a counterfeit Strider. I would never pay $400 for a knife that I would beat up. Uber expensive hard use knives are a joke. Especially since the extra $200 you shell out for the knife is not for quality, lock up etc. Its for internet lore and style. Its a very cool looking knife but anything over $200 is hard to justify unless it is perfect or uses crazy custom materials.

Sorry, I just recently fell i love with the style of a strider but wont ever pay for one since im going to beat on it and it also has a lock on it thats about as play ridden as a SOG.

The gun a nd knife show comes to town next weekend. I never thought I would say it, but I hope I can find a counterfeit Strider.
Haters post below.

So if I can find a fake Strider you'll give me $200.00 for it?

 

[Tony8179]

I wish someone told me that I never had to spend more than $150 for "really, really good knives". I wouldn't have had to spend so much on what I consider a really, really good knife.

1. Why do you even give a second thought as to what other people think of or have to say about the knife in your pocket? Why do you have to explain yourself to anyone?

2. You bought 2 knives that some consider "hard use" and you are afraid to use them, but you will purchase a fake "hard use" knife to actually use? Color me confused.

Look, I'm not trying to get after anyone here. I have fakes and I use them, but I wouldn't trust one of them for any type of "hard use". I have to sharpen the blades everyday because the steel is not great, but they sharpen up quickly to shaving sharp. I wouldn't recommend Strider because I've had bad experiences with the Striders that I've purchased. I wouldn't recommend Emerson because they are not my style and I like both sides of my knife and edge ground. Also, I would not recommend paying any more than $40 or so for a fake. Even that is a hit high for some fakes.

The bottom line is that you should buy and use what you like. I have customs that are very expensive and I have fakes that I paid $10 for. I buy, carry, and use what I like and don't explain my choices or purchases to anyone.

 

[dzlvs8]

When I said that I am not going to pay $200 for a fake knife. That meant I wasn't going to pay $200 for a fake Strider. That is a good point that it may not be a good idea to buy a fake hard use knife.

I used the example of what other think of my purchases as an example of sane peoples thoughts. I also cant justify spending over $200 for a knife just because you don't get that much more and sometimes you get less (in quality, longevity, etc.) Like I said, I have a hard time beating up what I already spend $150-$200 on.

I am only making these statements about hard use folders. You can find a nicely styled/fancy, good hard use folder for $150-$200. There are plenty out there. Any price more than that an you are paying for more fanciness/style, which in a lot of cases will become diminished after lots of hard use. (Although, some knives are exceptions) That reminds me. I'm making a new thread. (Sexy beat up knives!)

 

[deathofallthings]

You have to understand that companies like benchmade and spyderco sell tens of times more knives than strider and CRK. When you sell millions of knives instead of thousands, you can make a lot more money with out marking prices up so high. Making things in huge bulk is cheaper, faster and more efficient. Strider and CRK have to sell the knives for what they sell them for so their company can cover their costs and make a profit. It's the same reason one off knives can cost thousands. If you're only going to sell one knife this month... you're going to need to make a lot of money from it to make it worth your time.

 

[Moxy]

I want a counterfeit Strider. I would never pay $400 for a knife that I would beat up. Uber expensive hard use knives are a joke. Especially since the extra $200 you shell out for the knife is not for quality, lock up etc. Its for internet lore and style. Its a very cool looking knife but anything over $200 is hard to justify unless it is perfect or uses crazy custom materials.

Sorry, I just recently fell i love with the style of a strider but wont ever pay for one since im going to beat on it and it also has a lock on it thats about as play ridden as a SOG.

The gun a nd knife show comes to town next weekend. I never thought I would say it, but I hope I can find a counterfeit Strider.
Haters post below.

So you want to buy an expensive fake and think it will perform better than the real thing? Good luck with that buddy. I'm sure the mystery steel with sharpen up nicely and should you ever have any issues with it no doubt the fake customer service department will warranty it. You've never owned a Strider so how can you criticize them?

Do yourself a favor, save your money, and use the knives you have.

 

[Jamboi]

When I said that I am not going to pay $200 for a fake knife. That meant I wasn't going to pay $200 for a fake Strider. That is a good point that it may not be a good idea to buy a fake hard use knife.

I used the example of what other think of my purchases as an example of sane peoples thoughts. I also cant justify spending over $200 for a knife just because you don't get that much more and sometimes you get less (in quality, longevity, etc.) Like I said, I have a hard time beating up what I already spend $150-$200 on.

I am only making these statements about hard use folders. You can find a nicely styled/fancy, good hard use folder for $150-$200. There are plenty out there. Any price more than that an you are paying for more fanciness/style, which in a lot of cases will become diminished after lots of hard use. (Although, some knives are exceptions) That reminds me. I'm making a new thread. (Sexy beat up knives!)

I do agree with you on not spending over $200 on a knife that I am going to use.... and I will use them all. Then again I love a free market economy where people are able to pick whatever item, at whatever price they are comfortable with. It is all about supply and demand that keeps the prices up on many of the hard use folders. As long as the supply can not keep up with the demand, the prices stay high. I see people posting they have been waiting years for that perfect Hinderer to come their way, so the are willing to spend a lot more money to get one.

 

[dzlvs8]

You have to understand that companies like benchmade and spyderco sell tens of times more knives than strider and CRK. When you sell millions of knives instead of thousands, you can make a lot more money with out marking prices up so high. Making things in huge bulk is cheaper, faster and more efficient. Strider and CRK have to sell the knives for what they sell them for so their company can cover their costs and make a profit. It's the same reason one off knives can cost thousands. If you're only going to sell one knife this month... you're going to need to make a lot of money from it to make it worth your time.

Benchmade = Walmart.
It almost makes sense....But other than the griptilian at Cabelas and Gander, I would assume that the majority of Benchmade's sales are done online. I beg to differ on your logic. I believe that Benchmade sells more BECAUSE they are at a way better price point. They didn't start selling millions of knives and then decide on what price to sell them for afterwards. The problem to me is that it is tougher to start a business with big plans for high volume. Than it is to start selling a few knives at a high price and slowly grow. If Striders were half the price, they would maybe sell twice as many???? I think you basically helped me explain my issue. It's not that Striders are worth their price. Its that Striders can only exist at the price that they are. So you are bascially paying a premium for style. With so many other options out there at lower price points its hard to justify the purchase of a Strider even though I like them.

 

[Allen R.]

nevermind....

 

[Moxy]

I've owned two Strides; a SJ75 and a SnG. I sold the SJ75 since it was a little small for me. But I still have my SnG. Both of the knives have perfect FnF and Build quality. My SJ75 was a small tank and I've never had any issues with it or any reason to think it's not worth the money. My SnG is in my pocket right now and I love it. I've never had a single issue with that one either. Locks up solid, no play, no lock rock (ever), the scale and frame line up perfectly, the stonewashing on the blade it the best I've ever seen on any knife.

It's possible Strider puts out some lemons. I can only make my observations based on the two I've owned. I don't care about any personal drama BS. It's irrelevant to the end user. I like my Strider SnG, thats all that matters to me. But I won't begrudge anyone for feeling differently on that subject.

I don't know of too many widely available titanium framelock knives that have an oversized pivot, solid lockup, excellent grinds, good ergos, high-end steels, a lock bar stabilizer, and excellent customer service at <$200 prices. Let me know when you find one.

 

[PURPLEDC]

I use to buy replica knives. I dont anymore and would STRONGLY suggest that people dont get into them. They simply dont deliver. And no matter how nice the LOOK the most important points of a knife build are usually ignored. If you get a good one it is usually sheer luck. These are list of things you WONT get from counterfeit

1. High quality. No matter what the knife looks like when you get it it is not going to hold up to the original. And remember the people who made the knife are making a living trying to deceive. That means you too. So when you read D2, S30V or S35VN dont think for one second your getting that. At best it will 80% of the time be a chinese alphabet steel equivalent. And that is if your lucky. Anyone can take a stack of steel and write S30V on it or borrow someone elses build pictures. If they are essentially building a Lie, why would anyone be safe?

2. Tolerances- Many of the best knives made you pay for exceptional tolerances. This guarantees perfect lockup, detents and blade centering with minimal outside manipulation. Many of the fakes require finesse to get them to look right and some there is just no hope.

3. Longevity. Even if the materials in the knife are what they claim they are. A S30V blade with a poor heat treat or in some cases no heat treat at all is useless. You would be better off with a 420HC buck blade with their exemplary HT. Sure you might get a titanium handle but what grade titanium? Has it been carbidized, carburized or work hardened? You simply dont know. I can attest from experience that even if you have a titanium framelock with a steel lockbar insert that doesnt mean its going to last. Again you would be better off with a $100 USA made knife over a $100 fake that appears to give more value.

4. Intellectual property- This was the one I struggled with most. I took the stance that some companies simply charge too much for their designs and I shouldnt have to pay that much. What that was was a BS excuse and justification to bypass the law and my own moral compass. Its wrong. Period. Exclamation point. It is a fact that you shouldnt have to pay the ridiculous prices people ask on the secondary market for a hinderer. But just because you shouldnt have too does not automatically give someone the right to purchase or manufacture stolen designs because they dont want to pay. No one has a gun to your head to buy the design. Its either worth it or its not. Some people claim they like the design but wont pay for the real thing. Many times this is about knives that have comparable alternatives at lower price points yet the purchaser still gos for the fake. Why? If you cant afford a sebenza or dont want to pay it do you really think the fake is going to be just as good or better? Or even as good as a bradley alias that could be had for the same price? Oh but that doesnt look identical to a sebbie. So what? Then you either want people to think you bought a sebbie or your only buying a knife based on looks. And we can argue ergos because there are simply way too many choices for that to even be a valid excuse to buy a fake. The bottom line is knife makers, corporations and designers make a living off of creating unique works of art. If someone came into your job and told your boss they would do a close enough job to what your doing but work for half the amount of money and your boss fired you you would be pretty upset too. You have a right not to buy, but that doesnt give you a right to circumvent the law.

This is just some advice. If you are going to go against the grain and still choose to buy fakes, dont for one second think you will change the world and get people to wake up to your new found lack of moral and ethical code. People on this forum smell bs a mile away. If you are going to steal from the hobby and living of so many of this community you best make like a pedophile and keep it to yourself.

 

[bobbystoney]

4. Intellectual property- This was the one I struggled with most. I took the stance that some companies simply charge too much for their designs and I shouldnt have to pay that much. What that was was a BS excuse and justification to bypass the law and my own moral compass. Its wrong. Period. Exclamation point. It is a fact that you shouldnt have to pay the ridiculous prices people ask on the secondary market for a hinderer. But just because you shouldnt have too does not automatically give someone the right to purchase or manufacture stolen designs because they dont want to pay. No one has a gun to your head to buy the design. Its either worth it or its not. Some people claim they like the design but wont pay for the real thing. Many times this is about knives that have comparable alternatives at lower price points yet the purchaser still gos for the fake. Why? If you cant afford a sebenza or dont want to pay it do you really think the fake is going to be just as good or better? Or even as good as a bradley alias that could be had for the same price? Oh but that doesnt look identical to a sebbie. So what? Then you either want people to think you bought a sebbie or your only buying a knife based on looks. And we can argue ergos because there are simply way too many choices for that to even be a valid excuse to buy a fake. The bottom line is knife makers, corporations and designers make a living off of creating unique works of art. If someone came into your job and told your boss they would do a close enough job to what your doing but work for half the amount of money and your boss fired you you would be pretty upset too. You have a right not to buy, but that doesnt give you a right to circumvent the law.

:thumbup:

Wanting something but not wanting to pay for it is just wrong. If you don't want to pay the price for it, you don't need it.

Whatever happened to pride of ownership? I'd be embarrassed to ever take a fake knife out of my pocket to show somebody even if they didn't know it was fake, I still would. And you would be introducing them to an inferior knife making them wonder what was so special about the knife?

 

[marcinek]

I want a counterfeit Strider. I would never pay $400 for a knife that I would beat up. Uber expensive hard use knives are a joke. Especially since the extra $200 you shell out for the knife is not for quality, lock up etc. Its for internet lore and style. Its a very cool looking knife but anything over $200 is hard to justify unless it is perfect or uses crazy custom materials.

Sorry, I just recently fell i love with the style of a strider but wont ever pay for one since im going to beat on it and it also has a lock on it thats about as play ridden as a SOG.

The gun a nd knife show comes to town next weekend. I never thought I would say it, but I hope I can find a counterfeit Strider.
Haters post below.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1077540-The-Counterfeit-Rule

 

[dzlvs8]

Guy posting non value-add stuff above - If you actually read the rest of my posts here you would understand the tongue in check that is what you replied to.

The very next post I made.
"I wanted to post my thoughts on the Strider. I was curious how people would react because i assume I am saying some terrible terrible things. ...Maybe other people's responses/reasoning for buying a Strider would seem legit and make me feel comfortable paying for one??"

I also collect synthesizers. I could get digital versions on the computer for pennies but I like to have the real deal and pay thousands per keyboard. I do not own anything that is a fake. I am also not ever going to buy a $400 hard use knife just because I like the look, since I'm going to put it to hard use anyway. My main draw of the Strider is that it is a nice looking hard use knife. I'd maybe by a fake for $15 just to try to easy my desire for the stupidly priced $400 one. But I know I would never be satisfied because it isn't "real". I've wanted a Strider for a little while now and I just found $15 fakes online. I haven't bought it yet. There's a reason. I like everything that goes with owning the real deal. But stupid prices are paid by people other than me. They are usually paid by hard core collectors who need 2 sebenzas and dont use their knives. If its Jewerly and collectibility that you desire - cool. That's fine. I have an expensive watch. But I want to be practical and use my knives and spend my money to get more out of them. I guess I just have a lower limit on the price I am willing to pay for coolness ($150-200).

 

[Tony8179]

I will again say that you should buy what you like. Don't let anyone else dictate what you carry and use. Do what you feel comfortable doing. Carry what you feel comfortable carrying. You are the end user, not the guy looking over your shoulder at your knife. There is one thing you must understand, don't ever expect to be the "popular" guy on any knife forum for having the best collection of fake, cloned, and counterfeit knives.

Happy 4,000 posts to me...