Counterfeits at today's fun-show

If you want a knife that is every bit as tough as a Strider but far cheaper, get a ZT 55x. If you find a first gen one, you can easily get it for under $150 used. So long as you don't do anything to you dtheir warranty, they have easily the best warranty in the business. Broke your blade? That will be a paltry $10. Lock not solid? Probably free. Kershaw/ZT is AWESOME!
 
Tony8179 said:
I will again say that you should buy what you like. Don't let anyone else dictate what you carry and use. Do what you feel comfortable doing. Carry what you feel comfortable carrying. You are the end user, not the guy looking over your shoulder at your knife. There is one thing you must understand, don't ever expect to be the "popular" guy on any knife forum for having the best collection of fake, cloned, and counterfeit knives.

Happy 4,000 posts to me...
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Congrats on the 4,000 posts! I think we all know what you like to carry. (cough) RJ Martin (cough).

Back to the topic, we in Austin have got a knife sharpening/pawn shop that I found a couple fake Ultratechs at. Two of them even had the same serial number.
 
VictorLouis said:
Happened upon a case w/about a dozen 'Strider' and nearly that in Sebenza. Prices were too low on the latter, so asked to see an 'zum. Had the right CR, and IDAHO MADE, but the blade was much to shiny, and the grinds were just not quite right. I just said nothing, handed back the knife and moved to the next table.

I don't know if he was related to the other gent, but he had something that looked like a Herbst, but in all black w/G10 inlays and Spyderco written out along the LH side of the blade. The attempt at a PM2 was a joke, as it had atrocious carbon fiber, and the partial serrations looked like they were copied from a ginsu, LOL. The brand, and CPMS30V were all off on their fonts and scrunched together. Didn't handle either one, could see they were that bad just laying there.
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Pretty sad. With so many good legit knives available at pretty much any price-point, I really don't see the attraction of buying fakes. If I was a vendor, I'd much rather sell some genuine Opinels or Moras than hawk cheap knock-off trash. The event co-ordinators should have kicked 'em out! :mad:

-Timber
 
I see this quite often at flea markets in my area. It only irritates me when the seller insists it's the real deal, and that he's selling these high quality knives cheaper than anyone else. And, I just have to shake my head. One feller got a bit mad at me one time. He said that he bought the knife from a fella earlier in the day, and that the fella assured him of what it was. He wasn't happy with me when I advised him that he bought a fake. I sorta laughed at him and told him not to be mad at me, but be mad at the fella who sold him the fake.
 
bobbystoney said:
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Wanting something but not wanting to pay for it is just wrong. If you don't want to pay the price for it, you don't need it.

Whatever happened to pride of ownership? I'd be embarrassed to ever take a fake knife out of my pocket to show somebody even if they didn't know it was fake, I still would. And you would be introducing them to an inferior knife making them wonder what was so special about the knife?
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Well in the circle of those who like such things they think the absolute opposite. They see the genuine article as an over inflated status symbol in which is stupid to pay a premium for when you can have something "identical" for much cheaper. Its a very lame excuse and it only works for those who simply dont know enough about the products to be able to tell a difference. In other words when you take this attitude you only fool yourself. Even if the knife WAS identical. Doesnt mean you should do it. From experience though I can say the fakes and what no from china are NOT worth the money they ask and it is intended to deceive you into thinking they are. I was a fool. My ONLY saving grace is I can now openly admit that. But I was still an arse.
 
dzlvs8 said:
Benchmade = Walmart.
It almost makes sense....But other than the griptilian at Cabelas and Gander, I would assume that the majority of Benchmade's sales are done online. I beg to differ on your logic. I believe that Benchmade sells more BECAUSE they are at a way better price point. They didn't start selling millions of knives and then decide on what price to sell them for afterwards. The problem to me is that it is tougher to start a business with big plans for high volume. Than it is to start selling a few knives at a high price and slowly grow. If Striders were half the price, they would maybe sell twice as many???? I think you basically helped me explain my issue. It's not that Striders are worth their price. Its that Striders can only exist at the price that they are. So you are bascially paying a premium for style. With so many other options out there at lower price points its hard to justify the purchase of a Strider even though I like them.
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Well, benchmade clearly made the decision at some point to try and sell knives in high volume. The gripitilian is clearly an attempt to make the cheapest knife possible that still holds the quality they desire. If every knife Benchmade made was titanium and carbon fiber and super steel, they wouldn't sell the millions of knives they do and would have to charge more per knife. CRK and Strider clearly made the decision they'd rather not sacrifice anything in their product line and only sell knives with premium quality materials.

You're right though, if the strider design belonged to Spyderco or Benchmade, they'd probably sell it a lot cheaper, because they're a big company with all the advantages that come with doing things in bulk as well as the profits from selling so many more knives.
 
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PURPLEDC said:
Well in the circle of those who like such things they think the absolute opposite. They see the genuine article as an over inflated status symbol in which is stupid to pay a premium for when you can have something "identical" for much cheaper. Its a very lame excuse and it only works for those who simply dont know enough about the products to be able to tell a difference. In other words when you take this attitude you only fool yourself. Even if the knife WAS identical. Doesnt mean you should do it. From experience though I can say the fakes and what no from china are NOT worth the money they ask and it is intended to deceive you into thinking they are. I was a fool. My ONLY saving grace is I can now openly admit that. But I was still an arse.
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That 0777 didn't work out?
 
VictorLouis said:
Happened upon a case w/about a dozen 'Strider' and nearly that in Sebenza. Prices were too low on the latter, so asked to see an 'zum. Had the right CR, and IDAHO MADE, but the blade was much to shiny, and the grinds were just not quite right. I just said nothing, handed back the knife and moved to the next table.

I don't know if he was related to the other gent, but he had something that looked like a Herbst, but in all black w/G10 inlays and Spyderco written out along the LH side of the blade. The attempt at a PM2 was a joke, as it had atrocious carbon fiber, and the partial serrations looked like they were copied from a ginsu, LOL. The brand, and CPMS30V were all off on their fonts and scrunched together. Didn't handle either one, could see they were that bad just laying there.
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Get the dealer info and business card, take pics if possible, and report it to the people running the gun show.
 
dzlvs8 said:
I wanted to post my thoughts on the Strider. I was curious how people would react because i assume I am saying some terrible terrible things. ...Maybe other people's responses/reasoning for buying a Strider would seem legit and make me feel comfortable paying for one??

I'm not going to pay $200 for a fake with a blade made out of ?????aluminum or who knows. Nevermind. I didn't know they would be such a high price.

My $200 price point ($150 really) is because that seems to be about the average price for really really good knives. I'm not a fan of junky flimsy knives. My buck disappoints me that it "dulls" after exclusively cutting tomatoes for two weeks.

Basically I have two reasons for not purchasing a Strider:
1. I already find it hard for me to get my friends to understand my justification for paying for a Benchmade (which has great styling, ridiculously smooth opening, good steel, good waranty, good blade centering, good lock up. So how do I explain to myself and someone else why I bought a strider, which is prone to lock bar wear issues, among other things.

2. I bought an Emersons and an Adamas for hard use and I really dont want to use it hard since I paid so much for it. If I wanted to be uber practical, I would just buy a Buck 110 and a sharpener, but I am willing to pay a little bit more for something nice looking I don't want to feel/be stupid by paying too much more for premium.

To summarize; I try to keep my purchases somewhat practical and there shouldn't be a $200 knife that has better build quality and longevity than a Strider. That's what makes me dismiss them so quickly right now.


If someone offered to trade me straight up my Adamas or an Emerson for their Strider, I would only be doing it for resale valu, S30V vs 154, and because all the internet people would think I'm cooler. I wouldn't be getting anything more oout of the Strider.

(I do still have the Strider SNG and Sebenza bookmarked in case I get caught up in the lore and my addiction gets really bad, though.)
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If you can't justify the purchase then you can't justify it. Don't go insult the rest of us. Just go buy a Strider and appreciate it. If you don't like it then you can put it on the exchange and it'll be picked up fast. Judge it with your own hand and your own experiences instead of sitting in front of your computer and speculate. By the time you're satisfied by purchasing the lesser knives you've spend enough money to own a Strider. If you ever check on Strider's warranty you'll see that you'll always have a knife regardless of what you'll do to your knife. So what's there to lose? If you want to beat a knife to death then go buy a fixed to beat on.

Are you that self conscious about your image that you have to please your friends with your possessions or for the "internet people" to think that you're "cool"? I own a small Sebenza, Large Sebenza, Umnumzaan, and XM-18 while among my friends the most expensive knife that they own is a Mini-grip that I had gifted to my best friend. Do they judge me? Most likely, but do I care? No, because why should I? You pay money for quality. It's not like all of the members here are collectors with surplus money that has nowhere to go. I don't buy knives to make myself feel cool. I don't buy anything to make myself feel cool. I don't believe you'll find many members here who'll buy a knife just to feel cool. We buy knives because we want to and we buy what we like when we can afford them. Last time I felt like I had to be coolest kid on the block with my possessions was when I was in the 6th grade, and that was a long time ago.

Don't look down on 154CM, it's a great steel. Strider still uses 154CM and Benchmade still uses 154CM. It's still around and being used for a reason. If 154CM is good enough for Strider, Benchmade, or Emerson, then it's plenty good for me.
 
I've never understood the thinking that something is too expensive to use what it was designed for. Unless an item has unusual collector's value, why not use it and enjoy it to the fullest? If I owned a Strider, it would be used as a knife, not as a pricey paperweight, no different that if I purchased a $50K sports car with the purpose of actually driving it, rather than parking it in the garage as modern art.
 
To that dude arguing the strider prices. Did you know that mick doesn't make a cent from striders. He gets his money from the customs. Strider is a small company,. To release their knives at 200 dollars there abouts would mean they all lose their jobs and Ski goes bankrupt.
 
dzlvs8 said:
I want a counterfeit Strider.

The gun a nd knife show comes to town next weekend. I never thought I would say it, but I hope I can find a counterfeit Strider.
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Why wait for the gun show? Fake counterfeit garbage can be found for sale all over the internet.
 
Razorsharp-Travis said:
To that dude arguing the strider prices. Did you know that mick doesn't make a cent from striders. He gets his money from the customs. Strider is a small company,. To release their knives at 200 dollars there abouts would mean they all lose their jobs and Ski goes bankrupt.
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The T-shirt revenue probably exceeds the knife revenue anyway.
 
dzlvs8 said:
I want a counterfeit Strider. I would never pay $400 for a knife that I would beat up. Uber expensive hard use knives are a joke. Especially since the extra $200 you shell out for the knife is not for quality, lock up etc. Its for internet lore and style. Its a very cool looking knife but anything over $200 is hard to justify unless it is perfect or uses crazy custom materials.

Sorry, I just recently fell i love with the style of a strider but wont ever pay for one since im going to beat on it and it also has a lock on it thats about as play ridden as a SOG.

The gun a nd knife show comes to town next weekend. I never thought I would say it, but I hope I can find a counterfeit Strider.
Haters post below.
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You shouldn't avoid Strider because they're expensive. You should avoid Strider because Mickey Ray Burger (AKA "Mick Strider") is a scumbag valor thief and a convicted felon.

Don't buy fakes either. They don't deliver in performance.

If you want a similar fixed blade to a Strider, I recommend the GI Tanto by Cold Steel. Street price is running around $25 right now and it has been proven to deliver. Check out Noss' testing on it as well as blackforestghost1 on YouTube. It's a brutally strong knife.
 
dzlvs8 said:
Guy posting non value-add stuff above - If you actually read the rest of my posts here you would understand the tongue in check that is what you replied to.

The very next post I made.
"I wanted to post my thoughts on the Strider. I was curious how people would react because i assume I am saying some terrible terrible things. ...Maybe other people's responses/reasoning for buying a Strider would seem legit and make me feel comfortable paying for one??".
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So. You said you want a fake Strider. But you didn't mean it, you were just hoping someone might defend Strider in a way that might convince you to buy one.

And we were supposed to "get" that.

But, you don't really want a Strider, real or fake.

And anyone who would pay "stupid" Strider or Sebenza prices probably doesn't use knives.

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Am I following? Pretty complicated stuff. :D Maybe I need another cup of coffee.

(BTW...it's "tongue in cheek")
 
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Moral of the story? Don't buy a Strider. The knives are ugly as sin, and the owners are terrible people. If you want a high end knife worth the price, check out a Sebenza (or really anything by Chris Reeve). If you use the knife and mar the finish, you can get it refinished for a paltry sum.

If you want to buy a decent knife to use the hell out of, you can't go wrong with a ZT 550/1 or 560/1, depending on your size preference. If you want a budget tank, Cold Steel unfortunately does make some incredibly strong folders for about 1/3 the price of the ZT's.

I would advise against buying a counterfeit. I have two, and one is actually nice, but the other (the Strider actually) is total crap. Lockup is at about 5%, and the lock can be disengaged lightly hitting it against my hand. You *might* get a half decent one, but with no way to do returns or repairs, it is not worth the gamble. If you must have a titanium folder for that price, Kershaw is coming out with one sometime this year. Note that I am not saying counterfeits are okay, I am just avoiding the moral aspect (as that is neither here nor there).
 
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