CPK Boot Daggers

UPS isn't any better, my dagger and Co. have been in Hodgkins, IL since the 10th with no movement...just an updated ETA yesterday from Wednesday to Thursday which isn't even seeming realistic now.
 
USPS has been pretty good for me through the years so I have to cut them a little slack right now. Although it's very frustrating I do know my mail man has delivered my mail to my house as late as 8:45 PM recently ... a full 6 to 7 hours later than a normal day. He is so overwhelmed by the sheer volume of packages. The local Post Office is running package only deliveries by extra drivers and he is still running 13 to 15 hour days. So as frustrating as it is it isn't all due to problems any delivery service has as much as just the incredible volume they are handling currently. Covid absences from illness or people afraid to go to work is a big burden now also. Hopefully it gets somewhat better after the holidays.
 
SpyderPhreak said:
My Pirtle sheath was delayed as well. Sat at the Denver USPS hub "annex" for 4 days without moving (after getting there from Ohio in less than 3 days). Thankfully, it was delivered today.

USPS is having major issues right now, nationwide. I'm done using them if I have a choice, until after the holidays. I hope everyone else gets their sheaths this week.

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I am curious about this clip option. It's clearly too small for a belt, is it meant to clip directly to your pants waistband? The DEK1 preorder sheaths are coming with a Spyderco G-clip, which is spaced for 1" hardware and isn't compatible with the hole location for Utiliclips or the hole spacing for Mummert clips, which would have been my preference. So I'm looking for alternative clip mounting options. How does this one work?
 
madcap_magician said:
I am curious about this clip option. It's clearly too small for a belt, is it meant to clip directly to your pants waistband? The DEK1 preorder sheaths are coming with a Spyderco G-clip, which is spaced for 1" hardware and isn't compatible with the hole location for Utiliclips or the hole spacing for Mummert clips, which would have been my preference. So I'm looking for alternative clip mounting options. How does this one work?
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I don’t know if this will help - in the past I have had no problems with using one of the riveted holes present on the sheath and then just drilling a hole for the second Chicago screw where ever I need it. So one hole has a rivet and the drilled hole does not.
 
Odog27 said:
I don’t know if this will help - in the past I have had no problems with using one of the riveted holes present on the sheath and then just drilling a hole for the second Chicago screw where ever I need it. So one hole has a rivet and the drilled hole does not.
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I feel ashamed to admit it, but I don't own any power tools or really anything other than a small toolbox with hand tools for minor home repairs.
 
Odog27 said:
I don’t know if this will help - in the past I have had no problems with using one of the riveted holes present on the sheath and then just drilling a hole for the second Chicago screw where ever I need it. So one hole has a rivet and the drilled hole does not.
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You can buy some eyelets and a hand setter kit for not much money. Plus it will make the hole stronger and make the job look more professional.
 
madcap_magician said:
I am curious about this clip option. It's clearly too small for a belt, is it meant to clip directly to your pants waistband? The DEK1 preorder sheaths are coming with a Spyderco G-clip, which is spaced for 1" hardware and isn't compatible with the hole location for Utiliclips or the hole spacing for Mummert clips, which would have been my preference. So I'm looking for alternative clip mounting options. How does this one work?
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This clip is intended to be used on fabric, not a belt. It's a true minimalist design and very functional. I like them inside the side pockets of gear bags and since I don't always wear a belt they come in handy IWB. Trust me, it's very grippy, more so than the Mummert and probably close to the UltiClip.

A word of advice for anyone adding holes near threads, in the case of my sheaths between rows of threads: Drill the hole undersized, I start with a 1/8 punch, drill to 3/16 or 7/32, then use a nail set or other tapered implement to expand the hole to the size needed. This way you can avoid the risk of cutting into the threads.

Here's an example of the tool I made for doing this..

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Without having them made and ordering 100,000 or so you're not going to get a eyelet that will go through a 1/2-1" thick leather sheath. The ones you linked to are for joining a couple of pieces of .092 kydex or equally thin leather.

In my experience grommets, rivets and Chicago Screws when used like rivets are implemented to address other shortcomings in the sheath. Either in build quality, lack of proper edge/tip support, or the quality and weight of the leather.

A leather hole used to bear a load (laces, buckles, ties, etc) is going to stretch whether it has a grommet in it or not. Anyone with a favorite pair of tennis shoes can tell you as the shoes wear out the first thing to go are the metal eyelets. The hole stretches and the eyelet has nothing to hold onto. I can take you to any Amish farm around here and show you properly maintained English Bridle horse tack that has been used daily to strap equipment to draw horses for 20 years and the punched holes may be a bit oblong but are still holding strong. You also don't see too many grommets in a quality leather belt.

With regard to a grommet in a hole that is going to mount something, thick leather actually collapses around the fastener as the leather is compressed, further supporting it. Leather that is the proper thickness and quality will also cavitate around the accessory being mounted, locking it in and reducing the movement that may cause the hole to get larger. Putting a grommet in a hole with a fastener going through it will mean whatever you are attaching will tighten to the grommet, not the leather, leaving wiggle room. As the hole loosens around the grommet the accessory will also loosen.
 
cpirtle said:
Without having them made and ordering 100,000 or so you're not going to get a eyelet that will go through a 1/2-1" thick leather sheath. The ones you linked to are for joining a couple of pieces of .092 kydex or equally thin leather.

In my experience grommets, rivets and Chicago Screws when used like rivets are implemented to address other shortcomings in the sheath. Either in build quality, lack of proper edge/tip support, or the quality and weight of the leather.

A leather hole used to bear a load (laces, buckles, ties, etc) is going to stretch whether it has a grommet in it or not. Anyone with a favorite pair of tennis shoes can tell you as the shoes wear out the first thing to go are the metal eyelets. The hole stretches and the eyelet has nothing to hold onto. I can take you to any Amish farm around here and show you properly maintained English Bridle horse tack that has been used daily to strap equipment to draw horses for 20 years and the punched holes may be a bit oblong but are still holding strong. You also don't see too many grommets in a quality leather belt.

With regard to a grommet in a hole that is going to mount something, thick leather actually collapses around the fastener as the leather is compressed, further supporting it. Leather that is the proper thickness and quality will also cavitate around the accessory being mounted, locking it in and reducing the movement that may cause the hole to get larger. Putting a grommet in a hole with a fastener going through it will mean whatever you are attaching will tighten to the grommet, not the leather, leaving wiggle room. As the hole loosens around the grommet the accessory will also loosen.
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I didn't realize that sheath was that thick. Nope, I'm pretty sure they don't make eyelets that long. But I still think that eyelets look good when you can use them. And the ones I linked to are much better than the cheapies on most shoes that I have seen.
 
000Robert said:
I didn't realize that sheath was that thick. Nope, I'm pretty sure they don't make eyelets that long. But I still think that eyelets look good when you can use them. And the ones I linked to are much better than the cheapies on most shoes that I have seen.
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:thumbsup:

It's a nice clean look for sure.

It's not the eyelet that matters, it's the leather around them. Any leather is going to stretch with enough use and time, when that happens a milled titanium eyelet if there was such a thing, can't hold on :)

When I have holes that are not otherwise filled with something I dye them and give them a little polish.
 
cpirtle said:
:thumbsup:

It's a nice clean look for sure.

It's not the eyelet that matters, it's the leather around them. Any leather is going to stretch with enough use and time, when that happens a milled titanium eyelet if there was such a thing, can't hold on :)

When I have holes that are not otherwise filled with something I dye them and give them a little polish.
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I dye the holes also. Makes the leather look better. I'm still a newbie at leatherworking.

Edit: Well I guess I am really not a newbie, but I don't have a lot of experience. My main hobby is electronics repair. But I have watched many videos and read a lot of articles and stuff online and I have a couple of books I bought from Tandy on Leatherworking.
I bought this self defense hammer for my sister from a fellow member here on BF. I wet molded a leather wrap for it. It's the first time that I had tried something like this.

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cpirtle said:
:thumbsup:

It's a nice clean look for sure.

It's not the eyelet that matters, it's the leather around them. Any leather is going to stretch with enough use and time, when that happens a milled titanium eyelet if there was such a thing, can't hold on :)

When I have holes that are not otherwise filled with something I dye them and give them a little polish.
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Hey Chad, what would you recommend I use to dye the extra hole in my sheath, and what should I use for polish( shoe polish)?
 
madcap_magician said:
I am curious about this clip option. It's clearly too small for a belt, is it meant to clip directly to your pants waistband? The DEK1 preorder sheaths are coming with a Spyderco G-clip, which is spaced for 1" hardware and isn't compatible with the hole location for Utiliclips or the hole spacing for Mummert clips, which would have been my preference. So I'm looking for alternative clip mounting options. How does this one work?
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What Chad already said. :thumbsup: I wanted a secure clip for pocket/IWB/boot/sock(?) carry, and got a Mummert clip from Chad too for another alternative. I have some Spyderco G-clips I could use if I desired as well. I asked Chad to punch a 3rd hole for me, so that I could use any clip that had 1" or 1.5" hole spacing. I like having options. ;)
 
jus_gus said:
Hey Chad, what would you recommend I use to dye the extra hole in my sheath, and what should I use for polish( shoe polish)?
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If you bought black you can use a sharpie in a pinch. Shoe polish won't work. If you want PM me the color you got and your address and I'll drop small baggies of dye and final finish along with a throw away brush in the mail. With the melee around the batch sheaths I didn't get to go back retroactively and dye the holes on the ones that were punched post production.
 
cpirtle said:
If you bought black you can use a sharpie in a pinch. Shoe polish won't work. If you want PM me the color you got and your address and I'll drop small baggies of dye and final finish along with a throw away brush in the mail. With the melee around the batch sheaths I didn't get to go back retroactively and dye the holes on the ones that were punched post production.
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Thanks Chad! :thumbsup::)
 
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