CPM S110V still up there?

I've got a blurple S110V Manix 2 that I really "thought" I wanted until I actually got it. I upgraded to a titanium ball cage an raindrop CF scales only to find the CF is completely slick and offers no grip, and the knife just doesn't fit my hand (or pockets) very well. I picked up an M4/micarta Shaman and it suits me much better. Just personal preferences, it's great to have so many options in production knives so we can all find the ones that suit us best.
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Synov said:
Well corrosion resistance shouldn't be ignored since it is a very important factor in maintaining your knife. If your knife is allowed to corrode then this can effect your edge as much as edge retention does. And of course there is such a chart from Larrin. Orange is non-stainless and bView attachment 2084522lue is stainless, and S110V is the 4th rightmost blue dot.
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I was looking for a comparison between some of the newer high performing, corrosion resistant, steel formulations. and more traditional, carbon steels that are not particularly corrosion resistant, in terms of toughness and edge retention.

In such a comparison, any performance ranking chart cannot factor in corrosion resistance. The importance of the proper care of iron/steel based cutting tools has been well recognized since the collapse of the Late Bronze Age around 1100 BC.
 
VorpelSword said:
I was looking for a comparison between some of the newer high performing, corrosion resistant, steel formulations. and more traditional, carbon steels that are not particularly corrosion resistant, in terms of toughness and edge retention.
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Low alloy carbon steels have high toughness but low edge reretention. High toughness stainless steels like AEB-L and 14C28N essentially match the performance of the highest toughness carbon steels. Low toughness carbon steels are completely outclassed by stainless steels in edge retention so are pretty much obsolete, unless all you care about is being able to sharpen your knife out in the woods on the bottom of your coffee mug.
 
Here are Larrin's ratings...

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High performing Carbon Steels Vs High Alloy Stainless steels:

Where is that chart?

BTW: And I know this is trivial whining . . .it would be helpful if these charts hqad some sort of approximate and nominal or notional ranking. I know that they show two or three vsriables and any ranking would not be absolute or definitive . . . .
 
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VorpelSword said:
High performing Carbon Steels Vs High Alloy Stainless steels:

Where is that chart?

BTW: And I know this is trivial whining . . .it would be helpful if these charts hqad some sort of approximate and nominal or notional ranking. I know that they show two or three vsriables and any ranking would not be absolute or definitive . . . .
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Make your own graph if you want, everything has been given to you.

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sharp_edge said:
Wish there is also a fourth column of Price/Cost. If the prices are not very different, S35VN shall be replaced by Magnacut and Vanax.
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While the main qualities can depend on heat treatment, cost can depend on all sorts of factors and may change over time.
 
rexromic said:
Been reading lately about new blade steels coming up like Maxamet,Magnacut,15V and is CPM S110V still relevant?
As far as edge retention and toughness is S110V tough to beat considering new carbon steels have low rust resistance.
Is S110V underrated compare to new super steels or is still considered one of the top blade steels?
Interested in opinions based on real use and testing.Thanks.
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A lot of people such as me like the high performance carbon steels such as M4, Rex45 and K390, but in terms of edgeholding S110V is way up there near the top of the list. And if you like Spyderco knives it is easy to find. Any of those steels will require a good sharpening system, I use DMT diamond stones.
 
MadeOnABench said:
ZT has offered multiple models in S110V over the years, including both the 0470 and 0560.
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Those old S110V 0560CBCFs are pretty rare and worth around $700+…if you can find one ….BUT, there actually is a 0562 sprint around right Now for like $350. It’s full ti, blackwash, but has some funky 80s graphics on it :-/
Also, there were sprints of the 0801 in S110V, both in stonewash ti and black…
Awesome knife…. That said, idk why anyone would choose S110V over S90V. S90V has better toughness (similar to 20CV), and edge retention of S90V is better than both, According to Larrin
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Edit: they made a bunch of Kershaw Shallots in S110V also.
 
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sharp_edge said:
Wish there is also a fourth column of Price/Cost. If the prices are not very different, S35VN shall be replaced by Magnacut and Vanax.
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I sure as hell hope not unless they are much less expensive to produce. Vanax has no advantage on paper compared to S35/45VN.
Magnacut could replace them, except you’re forgetting the heat treat. Those numbers are not for Magnacut at 60/61 which is what some companies run it. I believe it’s supposed to be around 63-64 HRC.

Most folks have the HT down for 20CV and SxxVN, but Magnacut could take a while for people to realize the benefits of running it harder; or they just don’t have the experience with it yet to get it up to 64hrc
 
tony281sc2 said:
Vanax has no advantage on paper compared to S35/45VN.
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Sure it does. Look at the ratings from Larrin "on paper" above. Vanax has the higher toughness of S35VN, the higher edge retention of S45VN, and maximum corrosion resistance.

tony281sc2 said:
Most folks have the HT down for 20CV and SxxVN but Magnacut could take a while for people to realize the benefits of running it harder; or they just don’t have the experience with it yet to get it up to 64hrc
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Do they? Like Magnacut, ratings for 20CV and S35VN are based on higher hardness than what we see in most production knives. Lots of production knives in 20CV and S35VN give a target hardness of only 58-60HRC. There have also been issues in cut testing for production knives in S35VN, 20CV, and M390 from a variety of companies.
 
Chronovore said:
Sure it does. Look at the ratings from Larrin "on paper" above. Vanax has the higher toughness of S35VN, the higher edge retention of S45VN, and maximum corrosion resistance.

Ok yeah it has half a point advantage over S35VN, and in reference to anything above a 7 on his chart, I couldn’t get those steels to rust if I tried.
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Chronovore said:
Do they? Like Magnacut, ratings for 20CV and S35VN are based on higher hardness than what we see in most production knives. Lots of production knives in 20CV and S35VN give a target hardness of only 58-60HRC. There have also been issues in cut testing for production knives in S35VN, 20CV, and M390 from a variety of companies.
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The low heat treat seemed to be a thing of the past….unless they run it a little low on PURPOSE, like CRK, maybe RHK etc, because “M390”, “20cv” steels SELL, but those (some types) knives would actually benefit from a little extra toughness (S35, 45, Elmax) instead of the minor upgrade in edge retention ;
I would rather see those harder use knives use something like s35 (or magnacut) anyway.

Also, I wanna know why we don’t see more S90V compared to all the M390. S90 has the same toughness rating, but significantly better edge retention
 
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tony281sc2 said:
The low heat treat seemed to be a thing of the past….unless they run it a little low on PURPOSE, like CRK, maybe RHK etc, because “M390”, “20cv” steels SELL, but those (some types) knives would actually benefit from a little extra toughness (S35, 45, Elmax) instead of the minor upgrade in edge retention ;
I would rather see those harder use knives use something like s35 (or magnacut) anyway.

Also, I wanna know why we don’t see more S90V compared to all the M390. S90 has the same toughness rating, but significantly better edge retention
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I don't know that it is but I'd be glad to hear if anyone has information on this.

Sure, there is the idea that some companies run soft on purpose to be more user friendly. It could also be that getting a really good heat treatment on a production scale is more difficult, more expensive, etc. One thing that sometimes gets left out of these discussions is that some steels are apparently easier to get right. These questions would be better answered by Larrin Larrin .

Coincidentally, I have been seeing more S90V lately. I can't remember much in the way of examples. Olamic recently started using it as a primary steel for their Wayfarer 247. 🤷‍♂️
 
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