CPM S30V Acolytes vs. BG-42 True Believers

jb4570 said:
Ok It's my turn :). Well I'll come to that knife fight....But...hope nobody is mad at me when I take everyones 110's......silly buckers brining a knife to a gun fight any way :) .
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Uh-oh! Someone else is thinkin' ahead!


jb4570 said:
Well this year was the 1st time I got to cut up 4 deer in one week, as I was trying out my new AG 110 I can't compair it to the other Buck steels......yet. I do want a 110 with BG42....anyone got one to sell to me????
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I think ... think ... I prefer my AG in S30V so far, but no way am I sellin' my 110 with the BG-42 upgrade. It's my house knife! It's why I have to keep pulling my jammies back up because I have it in my pocket!
 
334dave said:
ME thinks rhino was trying to start some thing:eek:
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Moi? MOI? Start something?

HE SEES THROUGH ME!!!


334dave said:
... i mean have you read were he attacks helpless boxes and such and buys ammo by the case!!!
yea HE's the one to watch :cool: likely to bring a gun to a knive fight!!! yea that's it ... gun to a knife show ... and more storyes on the insulting boxes!:D ;) !!!
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It never happened! Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

I, uh, donate that ammo to charity. Yeah, that's it! We, uh, have a local ammo bank, like a food bank, but for ammo instead. I'm just doing my part to help the less fortunate.<cough>

<pin drop>
<cricket chirp>

HEY! LOOK OVER THERE ----------------------->

<scampers away in the confusion ensuing from his clever distraction>
 
On a somewhat more serious note ... (yeah, right)

I wonder if the current unavailability of BG-42 will actually spur the demand for it, and thus make it economically feasible for Buck to have a few hundred more blades made. I'm thinking about this because it's flu shot seaon, and I recall the debacle from two years ago when the alleged "shortage" made everyone and their nephew Earl rush to get a flu shot, even though they never got one in the past, or intended to ever get one. Even the discussion of shortages makes people crazy.

The other obvious result would be an upswing in the sales of the S30V AG knives, or even upgrades. It will be interesting to see how this plays.
 
rhino said:
I wonder if the current unavailability of BG-42 will actually spur the demand for it...
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Doubtful. It would probably be more realistic to *write* (not email) Cabelas, Bass Pro, or SMKW about getting BG-42 110's. They're the ones with the $$$ to make it happen. Any of the sheet/roll left over from their order will certainly be put to use by Buck, hopefully for the Custom Shoppe/Warranty Dept.

Writing to Buck (IMHO) won't have much effect on blade steel availability. It's got to come from somebody with advertising & distribution already in place and a ready consumer base.

Perhaps you could organize a letter writing campaign to The Big Boys.
 
rhino said:
Moi? MOI? Start something?

HE SEES THROUGH ME!!!

It never happened! Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

I, uh, donate that ammo to charity. Yeah, that's it! We, uh, have a local ammo bank, like a food bank, but for ammo instead. I'm just doing my part to help the less fortunate.<cough>

<pin drop>
<cricket chirp>

HEY! LOOK OVER THERE ----------------------->

<scampers away in the confusion ensuing from his clever distraction>
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)<@><@>( got my ears open and my eyes on you~ :rolleyes:
[Pisss - dont look now , but behind the big bush, goose is watching both of us !;) }
 
I hate to be a heretic here, but I just bought another 110 in 420HC... my daughter-in-law got my old one (also 420HC) on her birthday last month, so I had to get a new one. I was thinking seriously about picking up a 110 in S30V at Cabella's when we go through Fort Worth next week, but it's more than twice as expensive, and I like the 110 as a user. Plus, having read some of Cliff's commentary on the CATRA tests with S30V, it appears to me that if you keep them sharp, there isn't a whole lot of difference in cutting efficiency. I don't mind giving my knives a bit of whetting from time to time. 420HC with Bos' heat treat is a tough, corrosion resistant steel (and one I don't mind actually using). My only complaint is that it came with a cordura sheath (a very well-made sheath, no complaints on the quality) instead of the excellent old leather ones... I'll have to pick one up in a bin somewhere or have one made. I just like the leather sheath. And the knife itself -- the Edge 2X grind really, really works. Fit and finish are perfect. And at $29, who can complain about a modern classic? Just my two cents...
 
334dave said:
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)<@><@>( got my ears open and my eyes on you~ :rolleyes:
[Pisss - dont look now , but behind the big bush, goose is watching both of us !;) }
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We need a "smiley" for that thing where you point to your own eyes, then at the other person, than back to your own eyes, then back at them while you try to look intimidating. I think the message is, "I'm watching you!"

I enjoy doing it to strangers and police officers and strange police officers. :D
 
You're probably right. Of course, the source of the demand (from Buck's perspective) doesn't matter too much to the customers as long as they can get what they want. Whether it's through Buck directly or as a special through a retailer, everyone is going to be happy.

Gander Mountain is a big player that doesn't seem to be doing anything special with Bucks right now. Maybe they would like to commission BG-42 for theirs, and then we'd have another base covered (notice I didn't say "all"!).



chickentrax said:
Doubtful. It would probably be more realistic to *write* (not email) Cabelas, Bass Pro, or SMKW about getting BG-42 110's. They're the ones with the $$$ to make it happen. Any of the sheet/roll left over from their order will certainly be put to use by Buck, hopefully for the Custom Shoppe/Warranty Dept.

Writing to Buck (IMHO) won't have much effect on blade steel availability. It's got to come from somebody with advertising & distribution already in place and a ready consumer base.
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How dare you confuse the issue with logic and facts!

Your take on the 420HC is similar to my line of thought in the 440C vs. 420HC discussion. I'm guessing you read the same topic.

I will say that from my subjective point of view, I can get a marginally sharper edge on the BG-42 than the 420HC, and likewise with the S30V vs. the BG-42, all on Buck 100s with similar edge profiles and heat treatments. I'll have to look again, but I think I did note that cutting ability was in that order, but not much different initially, and that the cutting ability diverged rapidly with the amount wear from cutting.

So I suppose you make a strong case that from an economic point of view, there is not much extra utility in a hig end user vs. the stock 420HC assuming you don't mind keeping the edge tuned frequently. Ironically, I'm one of those people who has to sharpen almost every time a knife is used, so logically I should be fine with the 420HC too. Well, then there's that "pride of ownership" thing, plus just liking and wanting something. All of those are "good enough" reasons in America!

Doubly ironically, as compulsive as I am about sharpening, I am the opposite with firearms. Some clean every time a gun is fired. My "regimen" is somewhat more . . . relaxed (i.e. I add lube when it needs it and keep going).



Alberta Ed said:
I hate to be a heretic here, but I just bought another 110 in 420HC... my daughter-in-law got my old one (also 420HC) on her birthday last month, so I had to get a new one. I was thinking seriously about picking up a 110 in S30V at Cabella's when we go through Fort Worth next week, but it's more than twice as expensive, and I like the 110 as a user. Plus, having read some of Cliff's commentary on the CATRA tests with S30V, it appears to me that if you keep them sharp, there isn't a whole lot of difference in cutting efficiency. I don't mind giving my knives a bit of whetting from time to time. 420HC with Bos' heat treat is a tough, corrosion resistant steel (and one I don't mind actually using). My only complaint is that it came with a cordura sheath (a very well-made sheath, no complaints on the quality) instead of the excellent old leather ones... I'll have to pick one up in a bin somewhere or have one made. I just like the leather sheath. And the knife itself -- the Edge 2X grind really, really works. Fit and finish are perfect. And at $29, who can complain about a modern classic? Just my two cents...
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rhino said:
I enjoy doing it to strangers and police officers and strange police officers. :D
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rhino......."you dirty bird". You should not be Doing it to so many unless you use protection :D .

jb4570
 
rhino said:
...there is not much extra utility in a hig end user vs. the stock 420HC assuming you don't mind keeping the edge tuned frequently.
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IIRC, there were some posts in "The Toolshed" sometime ago about this fact...if any of the common/high end steels were to get dull they do take more time and effort to get back to where they should be.

Most thought that the knife being used should be touched up before any major sharpening needs to be done. I took this to mean as you're using your knife you should be aware of the edge and it's condition and sharpen/touch-up accordingly. Preston
 
Alberta Ed said:
I hate to be a heretic here, but I just bought another 110 in 420HC... my daughter-in-law got my old one (also 420HC) on her birthday last month, so I had to get a new one. I was thinking seriously about picking up a 110 in S30V at Cabella's when we go through Fort Worth next week, but it's more than twice as expensive, and I like the 110 as a user. Plus, having read some of Cliff's commentary on the CATRA tests with S30V, it appears to me that if you keep them sharp, there isn't a whole lot of difference in cutting efficiency. I don't mind giving my knives a bit of whetting from time to time. 420HC with Bos' heat treat is a tough, corrosion resistant steel (and one I don't mind actually using). My only complaint is that it came with a cordura sheath (a very well-made sheath, no complaints on the quality) instead of the excellent old leather ones... I'll have to pick one up in a bin somewhere or have one made. I just like the leather sheath. And the knife itself -- the Edge 2X grind really, really works. Fit and finish are perfect. And at $29, who can complain about a modern classic? Just my two cents...
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:thumbup: I agree 100%:thumbup:
 
pjsjr said:
IIRC, there were some posts in "The Toolshed" sometime ago about this fact...if any of the common/high end steels were to get dull they do take more time and effort to get back to where they should be.

Most thought that the knife being used should be touched up before any major sharpening needs to be done. I took this to mean as you're using your knife you should be aware of the edge and it's condition and sharpen/touch-up accordingly. Preston
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There is always a trade off somewhere, always.
If you gain one thing you lose another. You cannot have a blade edge that is super wear resistant that will also not sharpen harder. (its wear resistant)
The only difference is how much harder they are to sharpen. I agree with alberta Ed because the 420HC is less than half the price of a fancy S30V, and both still cut. Just my point of view I guess, we all cant like the same girl :D I would prefer to have 2 :D for the same price. LOL (110's :D)
 
rhino said:
Moi? MOI? Start something?

HE SEES THROUGH ME!!!




It never happened! Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

I, uh, donate that ammo to charity. Yeah, that's it! We, uh, have a local ammo bank, like a food bank, but for ammo instead. I'm just doing my part to help the less fortunate.<cough>

<pin drop>
<cricket chirp>

HEY! LOOK OVER THERE ----------------------->

<scampers away in the confusion ensuing from his clever distraction>
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mean while next door
i seen him leave to go to some charty bank so i neaked a peek in the win-doe of his reck room...
lord have mercy i never see such a site! diaplays of knives and guns and buns all over the walls ! an old foot power grindstone with a super fine sanding belt attached...
skins of dead critters hither and yon ...
kives stuck in all maner of theings every ware ! bu casting mine eyes hard to the side i coule see the huge simatar hanging by a very thin thread tyed to the door knod ... i had a cold child run up my back looking at the deadly room of knives and guns... and a wetness spreeding in the croch of my pants ... it was then that i then rembered the neabors kids had jest gotten a pool and were short cutting over me to get to the good hummer man ...
 
334dave said:
mean while next door
i seen him leave to go to some charty bank so i neaked a peek in the win-doe of his reck room...
lord have mercy i never see such a site! diaplays of knives and guns and buns all over the walls ! an old foot power grindstone with a super fine sanding belt attached...
skins of dead critters hither and yon ...
kives stuck in all maner of theings every ware ! bu casting mine eyes hard to the side i coule see the huge simatar hanging by a very thin thread tyed to the door knod ... i had a cold child run up my back looking at the deadly room of knives and guns... and a wetness spreeding in the croch of my pants ... it was then that i then rembered the neabors kids had jest gotten a pool and were short cutting over me to get to the good hummer man ...
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Oh, man! That has the makings of a great story for the Buck 110 stories topic.:D
 
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