cpm s30v bg-42 cpm d2 military

you could try some of the ebay "stores" . I ordered one about a week ago, just waiting on it to get here:cool:
 
Franco G said:
How did you get the number? Did Sal said that somewhere? I would appreciate an answer very much.

BTW, do you know the Rc of S90V?


Franco
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Yes, that was the reply Sal gave here when someone else asked that question a few weeks back. I don't know offhand what the RC on the S90V is. Whatever it is seems to be sufficient for the application. ;)
 
MORIMOTOM said:
oof. housing authority! not in los angeles, are you? since the pd was disbanded, the projects have been interesting.


its not really that i cant justify 200.00 for a folder, i own several that are quite pricey. just that i cant justify 200.00 for a folder that i can buy for 120.00, albeit with a different steel. yet. :D
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I'm only 1600 miles from L.A., which is close enough for me. I really don't like people that much.

I kind of wish that Sal had stuck to G-10 for the Military sprints. The carbon fiber is nice, but it seems to add about seventy bucks to the street price, and I'm not sure it is THAT nice. Oh, well. The S90V was going to be expensive anyway, it must be hell to grind.
 
If you can only sharpen s90v with diamonds it's not going to give you a polished razer edge.It will give you a toothy rough utility type edge.I would rather have d2 and have good enough (better then most steel) ware resistance and be able to sharpen it the way I like it with a hair popping edge.:o:(:yawn::D:thumbup:
 
gine said:
If you can only sharpen s90v with diamonds it's not going to give you a polished razer edge.It will give you a toothy rough utility type edge.I would rather have d2 and have good enough (better then most steel) ware resistance and be able to sharpen it the way I like it with a hair popping edge.:o:(:yawn::D:thumbup:
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The finish from my DMT extra-fine diamond hone is polished enough for me. I have no real need for anything sharper than tree-topping arm hair (shaving without touching the skin) which is where my S90V is right now. If I wanted higher polish finish than that, there is diamond compound for strops that would take it as fine as you could want. For my uses, the extra bite of a toothy edge is an advantage.

There is still the little detail that you can almost buy two D2 millies for the price of one S90V. Nothing wrong with that. CPM D2 is great steel, and the Military is a great knife in any flavor.
 
yablanowitz said:
The finish from my DMT extra-fine diamond hone is polished enough for me. I have no real need for anything sharper than tree-topping arm hair (shaving without touching the skin) which is where my S90V is right now. If I wanted higher polish finish than that, there is diamond compound for strops that would take it as fine as you could want. For my uses, the extra bite of a toothy edge is an advantage.

There is still the little detail that you can almost buy two D2 millies for the price of one S90V. Nothing wrong with that. CPM D2 is great steel, and the Military is a great knife in any flavor.
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Agree,and I also think CF scales are a waste of money it looks just like G-10.
There isn't really a good enough advantage CF would have over G-10 to justify the price.:confused::cool:
 
Well, for those guys with a King Kong Kung Fu grip, the CF is more rigid. And if the light is bright enough, it still has that cool shimmer under the texture. It gives you high-tech bragging rights (my knife is more advanced than yours, 'cause it has carbon fiber and yours is just fiberglass).

Is that worth an extra $70? Not to me, but I bought one anyway. What can I say, I'm a steel junky :D
 
I am not quite sure what kind of calculation you guys are doing here but $70 premium does not reflect street price.

When I take New Graham's prices as reference: a regular Mili is $119 and a BG-42 CF version $175 that is $55 difference for both steel and CF. I am pretty sure that simply the fact of a limited number sprint run contributes significantly to the price. Different steel means different heat treat and smaller steel volume, which is likely going to contribute significantly and I am pretty sure that you are saving overall, when combining a steel sprint run with a handle sprint run. I very much doubt that the CF handle contributes more that $30 street price to the total.

If you further consider that torsional stability and stiffness of the handle is essential for the reliability of a liner lock (you can easily induce lock slipping on a liner lock with torquing of the handle), and considering that the peel-ply CF is stiffer than a Manix with full length liners, I think the CF is worth any penny.
 
The only apples-to-apples comparison I am aware of would be the standard production in S30V and the CF Sprint in S30V. I already know I can get the standard production for as little as $95 BIN on eBay. Where can I get a CF S30V for $150? I'd like to buy one at that price when my finances recover from the S90V purchase. That's where I get my numbers for the premium of carbon fiber.

As for defeating the liner lock, that is a whole different can of worms that I will NOT get in to, here or anywhere else. It's bad for my blood pressure.
 
handle "performance" has a price.... the feel of the linerlock engaging on a CF Military vs. the G-10 is like fishing w/ a high carbon G.Loomis rod vs. a fiberglass Ugly Stik :p ..... or something like that... :yawn::D
 
yablanowitz said:
The only apples-to-apples comparison I am aware of would be the standard production in S30V and the CF Sprint in S30V. I already know I can get the standard production for as little as $95 BIN on eBay. Where can I get a CF S30V for $150? I'd like to buy one at that price when my finances recover from the S90V purchase. That's where I get my numbers for the premium of carbon fiber.
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Well, that is hardly an Apples-to-Apples comparison. I don't think that ebay will serve very well to compare prices on any production piece with a sprint run and in addition the S30V CF version is not a current sprint run and as far as I can see it is not available from standard dealers. Finally, if I remember correctly, the CF S30V sprint run sold indeed at New Graham for about $160 (maybe one of the collectors like Deacon can chime in here). In comparison to the New Graham price for the G10 version that is indeed only $40 difference, and as I said you are probably saving some when combining sprint run steel with sprint run handle.
 
yablanowitz said:
I snagged one out of the first batch that New Graham got in. I wasn't even on the waiting list, I just checked the site and found them with a couple still in stock. If I recall correctly, Michael Dye said he was getting 19, and I guess only 17 were spoken for.

I could say something like "ya snooze, ya lose", but in truth I think I just got lucky.
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Thanks! :D
 
After it's all said I'm going to buy both cpm d2 and cpm s90v versians of the military.But I'll buy the s90v first because my dealer has limited numbers of that model.Hopefully the d2 doesn't sell out before I can save up enough money the second time around.:D:)

gine:D
 
gine said:
After it's all said I'm going to buy both cpm d2 and cpm s90v versians of the military.But I'll buy the s90v first because my dealer has limited numbers of that model.Hopefully the d2 doesn't sell out before I can save up enough money the second time around.:D:)

gine:D
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Wise decision. I have a CPM D-2 in hand, and an S90V on order.

BTW, when will a "respectable time" have passed, and it be acceptable to start "nagging" Sal to make a "sprint run" of Millies in CPM M-4? :D:p:D
 
Ben Dover said:
Wise decision. I have a CPM D-2 in hand, and an S90V on order.

BTW, when will a "respectable time" have passed, and it be acceptable to start "nagging" Sal to make a "sprint run" of Millies in CPM M-4? :D:p:D
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Yes or in cpm 3v.Check out the ware resistence on that bad boy.Quite alot better then cpm s90v even.You would think sal wouldn't make it because of the grinding problems but he still ground down s90v which most of the industry rejected:D
 
CPM 3V is more comparable to D-2 in wear resistance, the big advantage of 3V is that it's several times tougher.
On the other hand CPM 15V and CPM S125V are in a league of their own.

Note that wear resistance and edge holding are two different things, when companies test for wear resistance they are testing one specific aspect of edge holding.
 
Joshua J. said:
CPM 3V is more comparable to D-2 in wear resistance, the big advantage of 3V is that it's several times tougher.
On the other hand CPM 15V and CPM S125V are in a league of their own.

Note that wear resistance and edge holding are two different things, when companies test for wear resistance they are testing one specific aspect of edge holding.
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Yes cpm 15v is what I ment to say:o
Although cpm 3v is still a good steel:D
What are the other aspects of edge holding, hardness, wear resistance and what else?:confused::thumbup:
 
jaislandboy said:
handle "performance" has a price.... the feel of the linerlock engaging on a CF Military vs. the G-10 is like fishing w/ a high carbon G.Loomis rod vs. a fiberglass Ugly Stik :p ..... or something like that... :yawn::D
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This is a fact–the sound of a BG-42 locking open really is memorable. I'll open mine just to listen to it.
 
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