Crackdown...???

The purpose of site organization and rules is to keep the various forums relevant and cohesive in their content.
Just because a member spends all of their time in a single forum or is too lazy to click another header into another subforum does not mean a poster gets to make his every post in the the single forum he frequents regardless of his posts topic or content.
Easy to blame the site or moderator. Much harder to take responsibility for forethought and consideration in proper posting.
 
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Karda said:
My 2 cents here is the above seems quite reasonable. It would probably be a good thing for both the site and the knifemakers if there was a non premium addition to shop talk called "beginning knifemaking" for the registered users to post their WIP and questions and the "shop talk" area made a premium area as with around the grinder for established knifemakers to converse about shop matters or off topic matters. Still it would mean that established knifemakers would need to distinguish between these two areas following the guidelines. The established knifemakers could offer advice to the beginners at their leasure without it muddying up the topics in shop talk.

If the "around the grinder" area seems like a dead area, it is not the fault of the moderator or the site, it is the fault of the users not utilizing an area given them.
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It is a site fault

That area is under used because it is only available to paying members.
The large number of Registered Users can read, but not reply there.


Yes, everyone should pay to support the site, but not everyone will, or at least not at first.


It's not a sales area and as far as I know the only sub forum like that on the site that is restricted.


(no I'm not a paying member - I'm not selling here )
(there are several knifemakers that are not paying here either- their contributions are no less valid)
 
IMHO, ATG and ST should only be accessible by paid members of the site, for both viewing and content.
Registered users would have a separate subforum to post their knifemaking questions and the established knifemakers could answer if they so wished. Then there would be incentive and opportunity to keep topics relevant while encouraging paid memberships for more in-depth and coherent discussion of knifemaking.
 
There was a PM in progress to Bladesmith when I noticed your thread Nick, I do like the way you lead with your chin :) My comment to Stacy was basically what I posted here, but more personal. Stacy and I talk pretty often and have developed a decent rapore.

My comment to you Stacy was why such an obviously "important" and relative thread was booted not once but twice, the last move to the graveyard.

I didn't post here because I spend most of my time on this forum; its because it belongs here. Where else would it be more relevant than where the knife makers on the forum hang out. They are not on GKD! there here. I got the feeling it was moved because the subject matter is not understood by the general public and it might have been to touchy feely for some, which is of course ridiculous. The need was obvious by the post that were going up on the board.

We do need a change so there is a seance of that hammerin atmosphere about the place. Fred
 
Karda said:
]IMHO, ATG and ST should only be accessible by paid members of the site, for both viewing and content.
Registered users would have a separate subforum to post their knifemaking questions and the established knifemakers could answer if they so wished. Then there would be incentive and opportunity to keep topics relevant while encouraging paid memberships for more in-depth and coherent discussion of knifemaking[/B].
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That assumes that there are no "alternative products"

That's pretty drastic and you would see a (further) mass exodus to KD and other free forums.

Some really good makers and smart folks are not paid members.
 
Adding a new subforum isn't going to generate cool new topics. People go to Shoptalk with cool topics. If those cool topics get swept off into a subforum they will get less trafic and they will languish and die, just like ATG. Why would someone like me or Nick want to expend the time and energy to do a WIP thread if it's going to get swept off into the corner. That would be a problem.

Rather than try to force people to conform to an organization scheme, why not listen to their needs and give them what they want? Shoptalk is a community of people that come here to interact with each other and talk shop. That's the whole point, that's what people want, a place to talk shop. Not to be compartmentalized.

Also, people don't come to the forum to see a first year maker's WIP thread about making knives in their mother's basement. They come here to see the advanced stuff they don't already know. That is the valuable content and that is what drives the volume here. Listen to the people that create that content and give them what they need or that content will go elsewhere. And what will be left?
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
Adding a new subforum isn't going to generate cool new topics. People go to Shoptalk with cool topics. If those cool topics get swept off into a subforum they will get less trafic and they will languish and die, just like ATG. Why would someone like me or Nick want to expend the time and energy to do a WIP thread if it's going to get swept off into the corner. That would be a problem.

Rather than try to force people to conform to an organization scheme, why not listen to their needs and give them what they want? Shoptalk is a community of people that come here to interact with each other and talk shop. That's the whole point, that's what people want, a place to talk shop. Not to be compartmentalized.

Also, people don't come to the forum to see a first year maker's WIP thread about making knives in their mother's basement. They come here to see the advanced stuff they don't already know. That is the valuable content and that is what drives the volume here. Listen to the people that create that content and give them what they need or that content will go elsewhere. And what will be left?
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Very nice post Nathan and very well said. My wife and I was talking about it this morning and what is really expected with a name like "Shop Talk"? I would expect that anything that is talked about between two or more makers in the shop to be fair game. Anything from drill bits to belts, equipment, techniques, time management and the business aspects, and more. The name is very broad encompassing. Another point to consider with having paid areas only is that several of the contributors in shop talk are not paid members and they are some of the innovative thinkers and problem solvers, so cutting them off would be a bad idea. Maybe what is considered "shop talk" material should be rethought, and then have a separate forum for the WIP's and the this is how I do it in mom's basement.
 
My wife talked me down from my intended post.

I will simply say that a new sub forum indicates to me that the original thought of this thread and previous similar where missed.

I agree with Nick's (post #1) and Nathan's (post #49) sentiment completely so I won't muddy the water any more.
 
Thanks Spark and Stacy for trying to help out... but a new sub-forum is only going to make things more confusing IMHO.

Fred, Nathan, Sam, Chris, and David all nailed it right on the head with their posts on this page.

I just want to see ShopTalk a place where folks can talk shop. :)

Maybe it sounds too simple to be possible? ;) LOL

In my mind---- I think of "Shop Talk" as a forum where makers, collectors, would be makers, etc... all can come in and bs with one another.

Other than trolls and spammers, I can't think of too many posting issues that would cause problems. Am I missing something with that kind of thinking?


Thanks guys :)
 
What if the new sub forum was used for the newbies and their first knife wip threads and such? I agree with most all posts here. If shop talk was used for talking shop and the newb threads were kept elsewhere would be awesome. The same questions being asked everyday when the answers are in the stickies or a google search is getting old.
 
A new forum sure would give Stacy more work to do and he has his hands full with ST and ATG forums.

Maybe for the new Hammer and Tongs forum should have a couple new moderators to watch over it.
 
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