Cripple Creek Cattleman

James Todd said:
Here ya go!
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I like it, unusual, BRL contacted several known collectors of Cargill and said none of them had seen this one, so I do think it is a RARE one indeed. Bob did tell me, after making it, that he had so much trouble getting it right he did not think he would make another, so I don't think he did, I have no idea where #1 is. Perhaps with family.
James
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Ahh yes, there she be. Thanks very kindly Mr. James. I never, ever get tired of chicken eye'n this one here, and that's a fact!.:D

James,

Do you remember when you purchased this one date wise? And any other details of the purchase. For instance, was it made for you as a custom piece and did you have a hand in the design? Or was it available and you purchased it from Bob finished as we see it here?

Thanks,

Anthony
 
Bob had a 1/8 page ad in Knife World back in the early 80's, elsewhere in same paper some one had interviewed him and asked him what he was working on. His response was this knife and the 1/8 page ad (which I still have) was this knife. I collected Case peanuts at the time and just had met WT Fuller another custom maker. So, I thought about it and called Bob the day the ad and paper hit my mailbox. We talked briefly, but the design was all his, I could not afford at the time some other handle options, I went with the plain jane. This one. It cost me originally 125 dollars. When it was finished, Bob called me and we talked some more, he told me he had had a LOT of trouble with the backsprings, I don't have it in hand right now, but I think it has three, one for each blade, but that meant that the center spring on the center blade had to be tapered down. He was disappointed in the fit and finish, told me then, he probably would not make another and as far as I know he did not. I will take a shot of the back springs tomorrow and show how they fit up. I have never seen one of any kind like it.

Do you think I could get my money back if I chose to sell it?:D
Jim
 
James Todd said:
.. Do you think I could get my money back if I chose to sell it?:D Jim
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Yea, I'd say you'd make your money back.;)

Thanks very kindly for the explanation and the story. Your right, I have never seen another one like it. Perhaps Greg has. I am interested in any knowledge he may have here about this piece. Just judging from the markings on the knife I'd guess that it is the #2 prototype of this pattern.
 
This was taken this morning, I tried to get the shadows to show the lines in the backsprings and I think I did, It does a tapered center spacer. The main blade is powered by both outside springs at the narrow end, the lines do not show when just looking at it, but this picture does make it look as if the fit and finish were rough and they are not.

Perhaps someone else can help us find another Bob Cargill peanittler, of course I would be happy to have the only one.

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Looks like the master blade uses power from both of the back springs, a design similar to a Schrade Walden 804 carpenters knife. Is the master blade at the narrower end?
 
thawk said:
Looks like the master blade uses power from both of the back springs, a design similar to a Schrade Walden 804 carpenters knife. Is the master blade at the narrower end?
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You are right, Master blade utilizes both springs. I just had not noticed.
It sits pretty on them, and I seldom take it off the shelf.
Thanks for the information.
Jim
 
NOW I know why as you said, Bob told you, he had such a hard time with this one..

.. Wouldn't this be the same principle as the "split back-spring" such as used on so many vintage and original to the pattern "Whittler" knives utilizing the same mechanics??

By the way James, your photography is outstanding!:thumbup:
 
sunnyd said:
NOW I know why as you said, Bob told you, he had such a hard time with this one..

.. Wouldn't this be the same principle as the "split back-spring" such as used on so many vintage and original to the pattern "Whittler" knives utilizing the same mechanics??

By the way James, your photography is outstanding!:thumbup:
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Wonders of using table top tripod and charcoal counter top, and a time delay and a Canon Camera, thanks, that is the first time I have EVER had a comment on photo.

I don't know the OLD patterns well enough to say, One thing I do know about Bob, he was always trying something new.

This one must have been too much trouble to make any more.

Thanks for your comments Anthony
My friends call me Jim,
I hope you will too.
Jim
 
Thawk & James,

As an example and to further explain my above post, pictured here is a vintage Whittler pattern knife utilizing the same 'split backs-spring' principle..

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As an observation regarding James's knife, this would make it that much more rare, IMO.. I am very much hoping that Greg or someone else here can shed some more light on this particular piece.

I sure wish Bob himself would get involved with this sort of thing on the forums!.:rolleyes: :grumpy:
 
sunnyd said:
Thawk & James,
As an example and to further explain my above post, pictured here is a vintage Whittler pattern knife utilizing the same 'split backs-spring' principle..
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I sure wish Bob himself would get involved with this sort of thing on the forums!.:rolleyes: :grumpy:
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If he does, I am outa here.
Jim
 
Definetly a difficult knife to make when you take into consideration the tools he used at that time. A rare one to boot.
Greg
 
This is the LI-10 which is like the big brother to the LI-1. It's also known as the Buffalo Skinner.
Greg
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