CRK press release on S30V!!!

I'm actually kind of bummed by the news. I love BG-42. I think of it as the kind of steel that cuts great, but can still be field sharpened in a pinch.

If the newer steel is too hard to field sharpen, I may just start buyng older Sebenzas.
 
ST James, thanks for the response that makes sense now. Have you heard what the HRC is on the S30V? And does a higher HRC make for a better edge or just harder to put an edge on? Thanks for the help.
 
My understanding is S30V is harder to sharpen but holds an edge longer. Kind of a trade off. I prefer BG-42.
 
Originally posted by Ketsugo
My understanding is S30V is harder to sharpen but holds an edge longer. Kind of a trade off. I prefer BG-42.
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That's almost always a case. However, as I understood S30V is also tougher. Which in turn means I can have a thinner edge on S30V blade compared to BG-42, hence superior cutting ability, and it still will have the same strength as BG-42. That's the most interesting part to me. And the thinner edge is easier to restore/resharpen.
 
Come one guy's! How many of us go camping with less than a couple of DMT pocket stones and a DuoFolding stone???;)
 
Originally posted by The General
Come one guy's! How many of us go camping with less than a couple of DMT pocket stones and a DuoFolding stone???;)
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:) So what? I don't even remember when I went camping last time.
If everyone was thinking like that we'd be all on 420A or something older...
If it is better why not to have it.
 
I am really excited to see the new S30V steel I can't wait to get my hands on one. I wonder how it will compare to the BG-42.
 
:D What I was infering was that this new super hard 'steel' will be easy to sharpen with a diamond hone! So no reason to complain about problems with it! BG-42 is still good though...:cool:
 
Ketsugo,
If you like BG-42 check out the new STRIDER Knives AR Folder,
Mine is in BG-42 and it is freakin awsome, I myself really like the BG-42 steel in both my Seb's and my Strider AR!

I just think new steels in the knife world are cool to check into, you never know till you try them, thats why I have a Large Sebenza on order in S30V!!!!!
 
What's wrong with BG-42??? It's been a great steel for me and now everybody needs S30V Sebenza... Why? Is it so much better than BG-42 or it's just because S30V is a new kind of steel...???
 
Originally posted by PiterM
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What's wrong with BG-42???
Nothing?
It's been a great steel for me and now everybody needs S30V Sebenza... Why?
For me too :) Just there's always a room for improvement, so why not to?

Is it so much better than BG-42 or it's just because S30V is a new kind of steel...???
As I understand the improvement is not very significant, yet there is. To me that's worth a try.

P.S. I've called CRK yesterday, inquiring about my small seb and the answer was to wait for 2 months or so. After that they'll start producing S30V small ones.
 
I am also disappointed in the change too mainly because S30V is going to be a cheaper steel for knife manufacturers to buy, and John Q. pays the same price for finished product. Big D1
 
Originally posted by Big D1
I am also disappointed in the change too mainly because S30V is going to be a cheaper steel for knife manufacturers to buy, and John Q. pays the same price for finished product. Big D1
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D1. While S30v is priced cheaper than some of other high end steels out there, I'm sure that any price difference will be eaten up in higher manufacturing costs. S30v is tough stuff and eats belts and bits faster than bg-42.
 
I knew somebody would bite on my post. samshell, so where is the benefit for John Q? Please do not give me that bit about Crucible specifically designed this steel for knives brewhahha because I will never believe that. I might believe that it took them this long to develop a specific super steel for the cutlery industry that is relatively cheap to performance, but that yet remains to be seen. Good point on the belt and grinding costs, but the final picture is always about dollars and cents whether it benefits John Q or not. Does CR Knives say exactly why they are changing to S30V? Costs, performance, and durability have to be in the mix some where instead of the normal after testing routine. I need more concrete answers than that. Let her rip. Big D1
 
I really like BG-42. It has a good balance of toughness, sharpen-ability and corrosion resistance. With that said, I will seek to buy Sebs (large or small, classic or non) for $105 less than they were worth before CRK switched steels. It's sort of my own version of the swap program.:rolleyes:
 
D-1. As for why CRK would switch you would have to ask them.I doubt is a money saving move though. I do not and never have owned any of their products. Nothing against them, just not for me. I just have been following s30v for a while and tested one of Kit Carson's first knives in it. If you care to read some of my impressions of s30v, it can be seen here. . IMO its a tougher steel than bg-42, holds an edge nearly as long as 420v, is very rust resistant and easier to sharpen than 420v and 440v.
 
Originally posted by Big D1
I knew somebody would bite on my post. samshell, so where is the benefit for John Q? Please do not give me that bit about Crucible specifically designed this steel for knives brewhahha because I will never believe that. I need more concrete answers than that. Let her rip. Big D1
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You ask for an answer and the press release gives it, and then state that you won't believe it :rolleyes: . Being that your concerns over pricing and being "fair" are real then I am sure that you sent everyone that you deal with EXTRA monies when all the utilities went crazy last year,Gas was over 2.00, the new health insurance rates came out, and the rent or taxes went up. ;) Do you expect a rebate on stuff because a company gets pens on sale for 50 % off somewhere? Have you lowered your rates on your trucking services since fuel prices are back down- it does cost you less even if your performance is higher and/or you are more experienced this year? As far as YOU NEEDING more concrete answers? It seems that you will have to wait untill people you can trust have the new blades in use untill you are satisfied :) If you really think that the steel change is a dollars only thing then you don't really know CRK.

The comments you made of " I knew somebody would bite" and "let her rip" speak for themselves .....
 
tallpaul, yes I did read the press release by CRK, and yes it leaves a lot unsaid. All I got out of their testing was that it is a blade steel that is tough, corrosion resistant and readily workable, and clean. There is no comparison with that of BG-42 or important things like durability, edge holding, ease of resharpening, and things of that nature. Is this a secret or what? Shoot far man, manufacturung costs are their business, but tell me about the attributes of the steel. Is that too much too ask?

About the trucking bit. When fuel prices go over a certain price level that is figured on a national level, yes you will pay a tariff rate for fuel costs just as you pay UPS or Fedex fuel tariff rates to bring you shiny knives. Also, after fuel prices level off, then the tariff is no longer paid by receiver or consumer. Keep in mind though that shipping rates and fuel tariffs are not the same, but the combination of the two do effect the total shipping costs.

Sometimes comments like let her rip and knew somebody would bite is some times the only way to get a substanial conversation going on around this joint.

As far as dollars and cents go. I have always thought CRK knives were on the high side, but I have owned them before, and you do get what you pay for with CRK and especially the Sebenza.

samshell, I will read your impressions of the steel, and thank you for the link. Big D1

PS Let her rip.
 
The bottom line is that S30V appears poised to best BG-42 in nearly every attribute we care about... except cost/difficulty for maker to finish the steel.

1. corrosion resistance (same or better by a bit),
2. edge holding, resistance to abrasion (notable improvement)
3. toughness, resistance to chipping at a given Rc (biggest gain)
4. and toughness improvement usually means the steel can be run at same or higher hardness Rc, and that usually translates to better edge holding and resistance to edge rolling... and difficulty in sharpening if you don't have diamond stones.


D1, there are some pretty good threads on S30V out already. Use the search engine, but here are a couple:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=183475&highlight=s30v

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176554&highlight=s30v

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176365&highlight=s30v

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=187942&highlight=s30v

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=184091&highlight=s30v

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=184104&highlight=s30v

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=183475&highlight=s30v
 
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