CRKT M16-SF got run over by a Strider SnG?

Let me add another pice of information; the bladeshape is exactly like the Camillus Cuda Quick-Actiont tanto.
 
Either way, there is no way I am going to be buying one of those. It is an ugly POS.
 
Unfortunately I think that knife looks horrible. It's just too busy if you know what I mean. Let alone that it looks like a CRKT, an Emerson, and a Strider.
 
Death's Head said:
Oh come on TKC. It'll make you other knives looks so much better sitting next to this one!
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ROFLAO!! That was really funny!! Thanks for making me laugh DH!!
 
It's a ripoff of 3 knives:

handle=Strider SNG
dual flippers, thumb stud, pivot pin=CRKT M16 SF
blade=Emerson CQC7
 
Death's Head said:
They have to rip people off. Because if they don't knives like this gets made.
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Oh yeah, I was about to start a thread on THAT particular knife. Not too worried about it's looks but trying to to fit everything except for the proverbial "kitchen sink" in a folding knife is a big :thumbdn:

But the best part; that wonderful "REALITY-BASED BLADE" inscription :barf:
 
And on top of the ugly look of the knife, you should see the liner. I held one the other day. It takes two hands to close this thing because the handle is not recessed where the thumb can push inward on the liner. Now I can see this for saftey reasons but the same holds true for other knifes. I asked why at the boker forum. The response I got was that it was designed for quick deployment, the user would have time to close it later. Maybe so......but this is marketed as tactical knife. Weak
 
I've been a loyal Böker customer for years, so have my father and grandfather. It's sad to see a good company turn into a crappy one.

I used to buy Böker knives a lot because of the quality but also because I wanted to support the only big knife company with a factory in Argentina. Their fixed blades have always been good and are still good (I use their kitchen knives, some of their puñales criollos and own a few outdoors fixed blades), but the quality of their folders has been decreasing a lot. And I'm not talking about Magnum, I'm talking about regular Böker.

I bought a tactical folder and two slipjoints from them in the past months, the three of them stink. The steel on the slipjoints (it supossed to be 440C) really sucks, can't get an edge on it (and I have good sharpening skills) and the lock on the tactical folder is really weak. My father has some older Böker slipjoints and they are excellent, same pattern as the new ones I bought but good quality.

So I made the decision never to buy a Böker knife again. I can't throw away my hard earned cash on products with bad QC.
 
Quote from the thread about this knife in the Boker forum

Up to today we are enjoying a very positive recognition for our work within the knife industry. High quality in workmanship paired with innovative designs, locking mechanisms and introduction of new materials for blade and handle helped us achieve this most valuable position.
Three examples:
1. Back in 1979, Boker was the first offering Damascus steel blades in folders.
2. The Speedlock design in the 90's turned loose a lot of copies os aluminum handle designs with kraton inserts. I remember a knockoff being so exact that we could exchange blades and both knives would operate beautifully as an automatic.
3. This year we introduced with SubCom, Turbine and Reality Based Blade.
ALL authentic Boker designs which might inspire competition again.

The history of the 3 Boker Plus designs go back to the special demand of AAFES. They wanted to offer to their soldiers a knife product not being available on the knife market in terms of design, materials for blade and handle, locking mechanism, all over finish and price.
I have to agree with our critics that the result is getting us very close to the Strider handle design. The facts that our knives are different in size, don't show the recessed fingergrooves and that the grip grooves are running around the complete handle make them different- however not different enough. The versatile way of having our clip design fixed on to the handle and the completely different blade design to Strider made us agree to what this extremely valuable knife customer really wanted us to produce.

Let's discuss the blade design. Here I take a different stand against the critics saying this is a cheap copy of CRKT's M16.
Boker Germany is the importer and distributor of CRKT in Germany and Austria for a number of years. When Columbia came out with their M16 series and the Tanto shape blade, Boker was already on the market with our H&K knives and the Superliner, the award winner as Overall-Knife-Of-The-Year at the Blade Show 1997. Both series were offered with drop point and Tanto blade shapes. It never donned on me to call the M16 a cheap copy of our designs. The tanto is an historically related Japanese blade shape, freely available to all knifemakers. The differences between the Tanto's of Benchmade, Cold Steel, CRKT, Boker and others are minor compared to the unique contour and it's four typical grinding lines. Rod Bremmer, president of CRKT, has seen the Boker PLus knives both at SHOT and IWA in Nuernberg.
We had many things to discuss. The blade shape was not part of it.

To cut a long story short:
1. I take the blame to have produced a handle design that is similar to the Strider.
2. All other features of the knives, and that includes the blade, and the fixed blade, make this Boker Plus line a different enough product to stand on its own.
3. I learned out of this discussion and will do my bestnot to get Boker even near to be a suspect of copying designs from others.

Ernst Felix,
President, Boker
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I put the Bold print where he aknowledges that the handle is pretty much a strider ripoff.

No mention of the double flipper design.

edit.
I guess locking the thread was an accident
 
Whoa somebody should have warned me to wear my rubber boots in this thread with all the :barf: going on.:D
 
Think about how much money I'll save buying this instead of that strider I had on order from tad.

It really is pretty amazing. I heard about this thing and I just thought people were imagining things--I thought "now they're claiming they copied two different knives? Pshh. They're seeing things."

But now I've seen the light. It's amazing that they did manage to recognizeably combine two current knives.
 
This points out the trend to make knives marketed to the uselessly tactical buyer - who probably isn't in the service. No doubts about it's origins.
However, let's think literally about the knife as best we can from the picture. Is it a POS? Quite possibly - I'll wait for a user review. I expect materials and workmanship to be acceptable, so what we are judging is design. The serrated handle will probable not work well in hard use. I see rampant blistering potential. Now, compared to Strider's design, this is excess. But does that mean the SnG is then just a little less a POS than this?
I own a Buck Strider Tarani SBT Police Advocate in FRN and I can tell you my experience is that it is uncomfortable to use. And to the "get tougher" response I expect, my question then is, why is the Boker worse?
I have been amused about the excesses of tactical knife design since the Masters of Defense line came out. This is not to "dis" the quality of manufacture or the innovative combinations of materials, but I wonder where the styists and marketers will go next?
 
tirod3 said:
This points out the trend to make knives marketed to the uselessly tactical buyer - who probably isn't in the service. No doubts about it's origins.
However, let's think literally about the knife as best we can from the picture. Is it a POS? Quite possibly - I'll wait for a user review. I expect materials and workmanship to be acceptable, so what we are judging is design. The serrated handle will probable not work well in hard use. I see rampant blistering potential. Now, compared to Strider's design, this is excess. But does that mean the SnG is then just a little less a POS than this?
I own a Buck Strider Tarani SBT Police Advocate in FRN and I can tell you my experience is that it is uncomfortable to use. And to the "get tougher" response I expect, my question then is, why is the Boker worse? I have been amused about the excesses of tactical knife design since the Masters of Defense line came out. This is not to "dis" the quality of manufacture or the innovative combinations of materials, but I wonder where the styists and marketers will go next?
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Maybe you need to read this thread.

You find nothing wrong with blatant copying of other people's designs? That is the issue here, and not the comfort of the handles or quality of manufacture.
 
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