CRKT Press Release - Customs

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Jim, you don't need to be calling Johno names, that's out of line. You want to name call, do it offline.

Now, Johno - I don't think the point is whether or not they do or do not make tactical knives or only utility knives.

Now, let's quote from the press release
Finally, the design and purpose of the CRKT knives in question should be noted:
6. Multipurpose working knives. Courts have ruled that a “switchblade” is a single purpose knife intended for concealment and fighting, with a double-edge stiletto blade design and minimal handle, and little utility for other tasks.
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I don't think CRKT is arguing that they don't make tactical knives - the point is that the knives that were seized were not switchblades by any means - it's only by the most heinous perversion and interpretation of the Switchblade Law that they could be construed as such.

IMHO, this is complete BS and sets up a horrible precedent - just like the war on drugs has resulted in innocent families losing their houses and cars, this could put a 100% legal, law abiding company out of business!

Spark

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I would bet Johno that if you stuck yourself with a Wusthof paring knife that you would bleed and hurt just as much as if you would have with a Halo III. So If Wusthof Trident slapped seom G10 scales on this knife, Put some ominous black coating on it and marketed it as a tactical knife then this knife should be held up in customs too huh.
Because after all, its the marketing and intent of the knife thats important....
Is all im gonna say..
 
This situation was right up James Mattis alley. The knife community really misses the passion James had for just these kind of unfortunate incidents. Hopefully we can all collectively come together for justice to prevail.
 
Johno: EMail me, ASAP. I won't flame you - I have info you need to see.

Jim
 
Spark, I tend to agree with Jim on this. Johno has left people with no option but to keep it "online" since he has not posted an email address. I am certain that Jim would like to keep it off line, if he could, but he can't. The question is, "What do we do now?" We have to get this contrary junk out of the thread. As a moderator of a thread in another forum, I would suggest that you consider deleting his posts and any posts that refer to his posts, but only in this one case.

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I'm not deleting anything at this point - those who are reading this should be able to make up their own minds based on the evidence at hand. If the users in question choose to delete their own posts, that's fine and good.

Again, it is only through a perversion of the law that something like this could have happened. Regardless of whether or not CRKT markets certain of their knives as being suitable for self defense, that does not change the fact that they are not switchblades, gravity knives, ballistic knives, or anything else banned.

How a knife is marketed is a red-herring when you should be looking at it's function - it's a thought process like what we are seeing here that resulted in the passage of the idiotic 1994 Brady Bill / Crime Bill; it had no effect on fuction, only on appearances.

Do any of the knives in question use a spring or other mechanism to open the knife? No - there is no mechanism, device, or other assisted opening garbage to be found!

Are any of the knives designed to be opened by the use of inertia, gravity, or centrifugal force? No, as stated, they are biased to stay closed. You have to actively use the thumbstud or, in the case of the M16's, the flippers, to open them.

This is a 100% bogus case - and yet another example of the perversion of laws to punish those who are making an honest living with legal products.

Spark

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I think the customs action is deplorable, ill conceived and will eventually be proven wrong.

I've said for a long time that , by the letter of the law, even a boyscout knife with a broken backspring COULD be declared a "gravity" knife and as such a violation. I don't know a judge in the country that would prosecute but it is "the law" and CAN BE enforced no matter how silly it might seem.

I recently had a bout with customs on some steril leverlocks. They siezed them without checking to see if they had springs in them, which they did not. I argued that , without springs, they were no more than lever locking pocket knives because this model does have a thumb knick.

I thought my plea would fall on deaf ears but to my amazement I received a "hold harmless form" to sign, insulating them from any damages, and received my knifes back.

The scarry part of the law, both customs and the 1958 SBR act, is that it CAN be enforced at any law enforcement personel's PERSONAL discretion.

We all know that by the absolute "letter of the law" 75% of all folding knives could fall into that gray area of an "automatic", "gravity" or "inertia" opening knife. Are they going to raid every K-mart, Walmart, Target, sporting goods store etc.??

This may seem like a bad thing right now but it may give the knife industry a crack at getting some of these antiquated, ill- conceived, useless and largely unenforced "laws" off of the books. Let's hope this is the case.

Why I can legally carry a sheath knife, witch is stronger, quicker and quieter than any automatic knife, with impunity, just makes no GOOD sense.

In some states even POLICE OFFICERS cannot carry an automatic knife!!

Give us all a break.
 
TECHNICALLITIES being what they are, how about CRKT installs metal bands around there folders. This way they are NOT gravity knives because they CANNOT be opened unless the USER REMOVES THE BAND.
Another "commemerative" idea would be to take a portion of the inventory of EACH knife deemed to be a violation and WELD the blade closed in front of the pivot.Stamp on the side "U.S. Government Approved" or "perfectly useless" just like the law. A limited edition collectors piece that would speak volumes about how senseless this action is while allowing CRKT to "legally" sell some of their inventory.

I know that would be destroying an otherwise well built and functional tool but THAT'S THE MESSAGE!!!!
 
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