CS Recon Scout Fails Miserably

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Cold Steel said:
In almost every respect, the Recon Scout® is simply a 7 1/2 inch Trail Master® Bowie. It offers the same steel, heat treatment, blade thickness, blade shape and handle. Outside of its shorter blade length, the most significant difference is that the Recon Scout comes with a Secure-Ex sheath instead of a leather one.

We believe the Recon Scout® is the strongest, toughest 7 1/2” combat knife in the world.
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"Combat knife" in the human parlance means that it's the knife a soldier uses to dig a cat hole, pry open stubborn boxes, smash things, etc. In other words, an cutting tool that doubles as a crowbar when needed. (Actually, not many soldiers carry big knives.)

DaQ - There is no difference between heat treats for any of CS's Carbon V knives - they are brought to the same range of hardness.

Think Kabar or Camillus' Combat Utility 7.

Maybe you Klingon blades smiths do things differently.

Before you start whining again... yes, everyone can express an opinion. But your opinion is worth nothing if you can't back it up with facts.
 
I didnt make this knife,,,I didnt design it,,,nor did I name it a combat knife....

But thats wht I see in the sales ad, and this also comes out to me in the over-all design of the knife as seen in the photo..

I only add that if you do have a question as to what this or any knife is designed to handle, then just ask the only guy who has the answer,,,,the maker...
 
Will P. said:
Maybe you Klingon blades smiths do things differently.
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I see you again attempt to use my past forging of weapons based on the TV show Star Trek against me?...very well....whatever...as for your understanding of a term?...whatever, it also is a moot point, if you wish to know the understanding of the term as used in connectrion with a knife, just ask the guy who made it ...To me, when I look at the knife, I see the reason it is called what it is,,,but if you dont then just ask the maker why....



(Oh, and Im not "whining",,I am just answering posts that are directed to me by name,,,,,,,,,I believe my manners have been very high and I dont think I have posted in a disrespctfull manner to anyone.)
 
DaQo'tah Forge said:
I didnt make this knife,,,I didnt design it,,,nor did I name it a combat knife....

But thats wht I see in the sales ad, and this also comes out to me in the over-all design of the knife as seen in the photo..
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so again, i gotta ask, are you saying its a fighting knife (physical hand to hand altercations, a knife meant only to kill (edit: or attack... ive seen a few fighting knives that werent really designed to cause immediate heavy damage...) someone),
or a combat knife (something that is to be taken into a warzone to be used for other things, possibly physical hand to hand altercations)?
 
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What gives here with this knife?
Are you guys missing something or what. Geez!

This really isn't that complicated. All you gotta do is glue (or duct tape) the handle back on and it will be good as new and ready for some choppin' and fightin'.
 
DaQo'tah Forge said:
I see you again attempt to use my past forging of weapons based on the TV show Star Trek against me?...very well....whatever...as for your understanding of a term?...whatever, it also is a moot point, if you wish to know the understanding of the term as used in connectrion with a knife, just ask the guy who made it ...To me, when I look at the knife, I see the reason it is called what it is,,,but if you dont then just ask the maker why....



(Oh, and Im not "whining",,I am just answering posts that are directed to me by name,,,,,,,,,I believe my manners have been very high and I dont think I have posted in a disrespctfull manner to anyone.)
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Everyone sing along...

Let's get physico, physico... You can't let it go, let it go. Klingon? My clothes are Klingon when I forget to use bounce.

But they don't bounce :(
 
Let's not be mean, KAAK. Trekkie nerds are human too. Marginally yes, but human. ;)

No offense intended, Mr. DaQ.

If I got it straight, what you are saying is that Cold Steel gets to define what their knives are capable of.

Obviously, if their knife breaks doing a task that comparable knives can handle with ease, either it sucks or it's defective.

Wasn't that easy? You could have saved a few hundred posts.
 
Will P. said:
Let's not be mean, KAAK. Trekkie nerds are human too. Marginally yes, but human. ;)

No offense intended, Mr. DaQ.

If I got it straight, what you are saying is that Cold Steel gets to define what their knives are capable of.

Obviously, if their knife breaks doing a task that comparable knives can handle with ease, either it sucks or it's defective.

Wasn't that easy? You could have saved a few hundred posts.
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I wasn't trying to be mean. My clothes do klingon to body. And bounce doesn't make 'em bounce. Just trying to help

KAAK
 
What kind of metal is the blade guard made of? It looks very big and thick to me. Could the extreme cold have caused the guard to have shrunk and put enough pressure on the tang of the knife, which may have heated up from being hammered through the log, to cause it to crack? So the warming tang may have expanded inside a cold contracting metal guard causing failure?
 
Easy now guys. We can get our points across without getting too carried away. ;)
 
I have a question for DaQo'tah Forge.

Do you honestly believe that an object can only be used for its intended purpose and its intended purpose only?
 
WadeF said:
What kind of metal is the blade guard made of? It looks very big and thick to me. Could the extreme cold have caused the guard to have shrunk and put enough pressure on the tang of the knife, which may have heated up from being hammered through the log, to cause it to crack? So the warming tang may have expanded inside a cold contracting metal guard causing failure?
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Y'know, I think your first post abouot the guard may have been on the money. If only you had gotten here before it became a train wreck...
 
ooh, a dissimilar metal theory. Very cold brass could have that effect on 50100/Carbon V?
 
I just found this:

Brass expands and contracts more than iron for the same changes in temperature. Since they are both good conductors and are in contact with each other, one cannot be heated or cooled without also heating or cooling the other. If the iron ring is heated, it expands -but the brass expands even more. Cooling the two will not result in separation either, for even at the lowest temperatures the shrinkage of brass over iron would not produce separation.

They are talking about seperating metal rings. So brass and iron expand and contract differently. Maybe this caused the ultimate failure of the knife.
 
Gentlebeings, it is not enough to invent an ingenious hypothesis -- one must also test it.

Put all your knives with brass guards in the freezer for an hour. I predict they will not break in half, but don't take my word for it -- try it. See for yourself. :cool:
 
DaQo'tah Forge said:
Thats a very good question to ask Clint,,,and infact I have answered that very question on page 22 of this topic,

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=328256&page=22&pp=20

Look at post number #435....
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I’m afraid that answer doesn’t help.

Post 435 seems to support the multipurpose form and functionality of a combat knife as a jack-of-all-trades type item. Do with it as you will.

But them in post 436 your statement is, in effect: Well, Lynn Thompson didn’t say you could, so ... You can’t.

Are I reading this right?

BTW, Cold Steel never states that it is a “cheap combat knife.” The ad implies that it is a value and/or a bargain. I also take it to mean that the Recon Scout is affordable.
Affordable and cheap can mean that same thing but I doubt, in current usage, they do in this case.

Please, bear with me as I am trying to get a firm grasp of your views.

In that regard, what are your thoughts on survival knives? Their purpose, design requirements, and the overused expression: “A survival knife is the knife you have with you in a survival situation”?

Let us not become so wrapped up in tangents that we forget the main issue. But let us address these tangents fully, to end misunderstanding.
 
alright! alright! that's enough... let's see what LYNN has to say!


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"YAHOO! YAHOO!"

oh. well, nevermind. (actually, it looks more like he's chewing something than saying "yahoo", but whatcha gonna do?)
abe m.
 
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