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CS Trail Master fails miserably
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I am a union Boilermaker by trade and I work with steel on a daily basis.I am a certified pressure welder with over twenty contractors,crane cordinator, and a T.V.A master rigger.I am not trying to brag but illusrate my experience.That being said I have witnessed things far more suprising than the T.M. failure posted here.With the right amount of pressure,wrong angle,wrong tool for the job,and many other variables bad things will happen.I could give examples but I am already getting long winded.I recently became the owner of a carbon v T.M. and a Recon Scout after being patient and long time searching.(thanks to a fine member on this forum)I have not used them and don't know that I will but i really like them.If i decide to use them I have confidence they will peform well enough for my needs.I have ESEE,Becker,Ontario,khukris,axses,tomahawks,custom blades,and many others.Too many to list.I have all this stuff because I love knives and cutting tools and i like spreading the wealth to those that are part of and support the industry.Having said all this my point is COLD STEEL makes a good product and I will continue to patronize them regardless of this video or any other.I would agree that some of the C.S. videos are over the top but one thing is for sure they are very passionate about their products.Products made for the working man for the most part.The video plainly stated that he got a new knife what more could you ask for.You can find lemons in anything.Cold Steel sells alot of knives to ol boys that can't afford some of the higher dollar blades that i have seen preform as well or somtimes better.I have seen where lots of people are not C.S fans and thats fine this is America.I am a knife fan not just a C.S fan but a knife fan.I think they do alot for the industry and I support them.If you wanna see knife failures there is an ol boy on you tube bustin them up on a regular basis and most of them don't have COLD STEEL stamped on the tang.Sorry to go so long but this post kinda hit a nerve on me.I hope everyone has a good evening.TIP.
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I own a few Marbles knives and like them but they also make some of their stuff over seas as well.
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any knife will fail under stress,i have several cold steels and never had any problems..
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Not true. Some knives won't snap like that, no matter how crazily you beat on them. If my Busse FBMLE were to break at the hilt like that, even if I were beating it through a cinderblock with a sledgehammer, using a stopsign post as a cheater bar, I'd be astonished. I've batoned through logs similar to the one in the video with a $40 KaBar Cutlass, just for giggles. No worries, the knife is fine. True, the guy's technique was severely lacking, but the design of the Trailmaster is flawed. This has been discussed many times before. There are squared-shoulders at the point where the tang starts, exactly where the knife in this video snapped. That's exactly where other Trailmasters have failed before, and where they will continue to fail until either the design is corrected, or it is discontinued.
Flawed design is flawed. This has nothing to do with politics, or with how much folks may like or dislike the company. Properly-designed, hard use knives have radiused corners at the tangs to eliminate stress risers. The Trailmaster is marketed as a "hard-use" knife that can "take anything". It cannot.
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I believe he got a bad blade ,stress cracks from heat treat or some other flaw it happens. This video only shows three things to me #1 way to many people are watching nutnfancy videos (what water was he displacing ?WD 40 is not a lubricant) #2 The guy taking the video needs to watch the thing a few times and get a hint on the cokehead laugh. #3 If you try(or just don`t know better) you can break anything.
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Looks like another person poisoned by TNP's "philosophies" and so called survival methods.. bah.
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I got my SK-5 TM for just around $100 and I've bashed it pretty hard. No probs. Its a lot of knife for the dough. Thing is you can get a really nice axe for the same amount of money. It just doesnt make sense to push your knife that hard.... unless of course you really enjoy seeing things break and posting on the internet about it. 
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I've never seen one of these break.
OK, good point! I actually have that same Eastwing axe, and I take it with me when CAR camping. But it is too big too awkward and too much of a single use tool to want to carry on a long hike IMHO.
...And as stated by others I've never seen something like a Busse fail from battoning either. So at least some big knives truley can handle that kind of use.
...I wonder if any laminated VG-1 TM's have failed this way before?
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Under the video:
Go CS Customer Service! I had a problem with a rather expensive CS knife in the past year and they sent me two more with call tags (I found the same flaw in the first 2 knives) before I even returned the ones I was finding fault with. The third time was a charm and they sent it 2nd Day Air. Never charged my card throughout. Great guys in my case anyway!
Go CS Customer Service! I had a problem with a rather expensive CS knife in the past year and they sent me two more with call tags (I found the same flaw in the first 2 knives) before I even returned the ones I was finding fault with. The third time was a charm and they sent it 2nd Day Air. Never charged my card throughout. Great guys in my case anyway!
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Every company has defects that get out the door at times.
That said, of the ways to damage a woods knife, the wild batoning that guy was doing might be #1.
That said, of the ways to damage a woods knife, the wild batoning that guy was doing might be #1.
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The mandatory Cold Steel bashing troll finally rears its head. Oh well. This one seem to be a solitary one.
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199529
One example.
Cheap, outsourced labor to people in Chinese workhouse conditions, just to get us a lower bottom dollar. I don't support it. And yes, I am aware they they don't ONLY outsource to China. Viral marketing to prove their knives are capable of things that dozens of other knife companies' products are capable of doing. I don't support it. ETC.
Listen, I said I don't care about backlash, and I don't. One of the beautiful things about this forum is that we're all invited to share our opinions and be adults. I don't appreciate being a accused of being a "troll".
Troll:
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
I'd have to say that it speaks worlds if such a silly comment as mine can create any kind of emotional response. I also do believe that until now, I was on topic. Here's a newsflash: part of free speech is that those who don't agree with you are still allowed to voice their opinion. And you want to know the best part about being human? If you don't agree, you can shrug it right off. Naturally I understand that your responses are simply your half of the free speech agreement, but please don't throw accusatory terms around trying to damage my reputation on this site. I love you guys, and I appreciate the opportunity to be here. I just don't like Cold Steel's company practices, or their products. Fair?
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
-Evelyn Beatrice Hall
You may now return to your regularly scheduled programming.
One example.
Cheap, outsourced labor to people in Chinese workhouse conditions, just to get us a lower bottom dollar. I don't support it. And yes, I am aware they they don't ONLY outsource to China. Viral marketing to prove their knives are capable of things that dozens of other knife companies' products are capable of doing. I don't support it. ETC.
Listen, I said I don't care about backlash, and I don't. One of the beautiful things about this forum is that we're all invited to share our opinions and be adults. I don't appreciate being a accused of being a "troll".
Troll:
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
I'd have to say that it speaks worlds if such a silly comment as mine can create any kind of emotional response. I also do believe that until now, I was on topic. Here's a newsflash: part of free speech is that those who don't agree with you are still allowed to voice their opinion. And you want to know the best part about being human? If you don't agree, you can shrug it right off. Naturally I understand that your responses are simply your half of the free speech agreement, but please don't throw accusatory terms around trying to damage my reputation on this site. I love you guys, and I appreciate the opportunity to be here. I just don't like Cold Steel's company practices, or their products. Fair?
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
-Evelyn Beatrice Hall
You may now return to your regularly scheduled programming.
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