CS XL Espada .... finally available

I owned the lg model for a good lone while before selling it due to unforseen financial obligations arose. Extremely well made and about as good and strong a lock on a folder as I have experienced. Matter of fact all the Demko designed locks are about the lock back folders I have owned. keepem sharp
 
razorsdescent said:
so why not conceal a spyderco military that can handle all of your cutting tasks instead of a monster 9 inch when closed folder hell a good solid edc fixed blade is that size. if a cali cop stopped you and pulled that giant thing off you do you think he would let you keep it or do you think that hed just be too busy laughing?


a nearly foot and a half long folding knife is a sure fire way to bring attention to yourself. i can pull out my rc-3 or boker trance and slice open something small and replace it so quick that no one would ever notice hell im sure the thwack of that thing opening is more than enough to bring plenty of attention to the giant folding sword you just pulled out of your pocket heck i dont even think most of my pants could fit that monster.
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The problem is that in MOST states you can't conceal a fixed blade legally so that's why some like big folding knives. In some states they can carry a big blade like this concealed.

Also it would be an excellent field blade instead of the puny weak Spyderco Military that you can do anything with or you will snap the blade, but then a Buck 110 is stronger than the Military is. ;)

For most it will be a collector piece because they won't be made forever.
 
anyone who doesnot like this knife must not know the history of the spanish navaja. in fact many navajas commonly had 9 inch blades or even longer they were carried in the belt katana style, worn by common people do defend themselfs against sword swinging nobels. i think there are even martial systems based on the navaja.
Anyway I hope we all understand is't not designed to replace your 3-4 edc but be the best navaja ever made
 
I love large folding knives. Want one of these really bad.
But alas, I have been without a job for 8 months now.
Does not look like that is going to change anytime soon,
if what I am seeing on the job websites and the local paper
is any indication.

So I must pass on this and hope they are still available one day
when I have a job. Oh the horror of it!:grumpy:
 
Ankerson said:
The problem is that in MOST states you can't conceal a fixed blade legally so that's why some like big folding knives. In some states they can carry a big blade like this concealed.

Also it would be an excellent field blade instead of the puny weak Spyderco Military that you can do anything with or you will snap the blade, but then a Buck 110 is stronger than the Military is. ;)

For most it will be a collector piece because they won't be made forever.
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Alright i'm assuming that if your concealing a folder its for Self defense otherwise why conceal and not carry openly just clipped into you pocket. now i don't claim to be a master of super kung-fu ninja knife fighting but i have lived parts of my life in rough areas and this kind of knife would never even be considered. It would take forever and a day to get that thing out and open it meanwhile some other dude with a little shiv he bought in china town would quickly stab you repeatedly and leave you to bleed in the street or he would just hoot you (gun beats knife people) Also i don't buy the idea that this would be legal in the state of california ( i'm a big fan of the better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6 school of thought but the argument assumes you want to stay legit.) i just cant imagine a cop searching you and shruging off a giant folding sword, ive heard stories of people having screwdrivers confiscated in parts of cali i just don't see a california law enforcement officer say ok whatever and handing you that knife back. if i was a leo id be way more lenient to someone carrying an 16" ASP (with which i could shatter that rediculous knifes blade and then knock the weilder in the head) and a leatherman or smaller folder for utility.



Did i miss something and it suddenly became the norm to carry folders instead of fixed blades in the field? everyone seems to want to b e able to baton their folder through an oak tree nowadays. But either way id disagree with u on which knife id want in a survival situation. i would be way more comfortable with a military or better yet a manix a super sharp 4 inch flat ground blade will slice most anything and could in a pinch be batoned through a sizable piece of wood if i was in a situation where there was n o alternative. never has any outdoors project required me to really chop down a big piece of wood there's always plenty of deadfall wherever there are trees or you can leverage the branch off or snap it with your hand unless im going to build a log cabin i don't need a chopper and then if i did i would certainly go for an axe. what do you plan on doing that would snap the blade on a spyderco milie?


This is just a classic example of some of the rediculuos knives some companies come out with. I guess for some people its really nifty and they just gotta have one the way i hop on a busse, but the thing i dont agree with is the knifes intended purpose specifically i dont think there is one. i think cold steel decided to make a very large folder and did just that i dont think it was created to fill any niche in the knife world. Just because a knife is made that doesnt automaticaly mean that it is useful.


Maybe we just have to agree to disagree ill take my manix and you can have your rediculously large cold steel XL espad a:D
 
DemkoKnives said:
anyone who doesnot like this knife must not know the history of the spanish navaja. in fact many navajas commonly had 9 inch blades or even longer they were carried in the belt katana style, worn by common people do defend themselfs against sword swinging nobels. i think there are even martial systems based on the navaja.
Anyway I hope we all understand is't not designed to replace your 3-4 edc but be the best navaja ever made
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A traditional styled navaja, with a 5.5 inch blade and "ratcheting" lock.

The navaja is a traditional Spanish folding knife that first appeared around the 15th century. They were working/utility knives, but also gained a reputation as fighting knives. They are among one of the oldest types of folding pocket knives, and are still manufactured today in a few locations.

The etymology of the word navaja is derived from Latin "novacula," meaning razor, and the concept of this tool comes from the knife used by barbers for shaving. Like the razor, the blade folds into the handle when not in use. However, it can be pulled into an open position fairly quickly and locks in place once opened. The locking mechanism is somewhat unique, and consists of "teeth" cut into the blade's spine around the hinge, which are engaged by a spring-loaded metal latch as the knife is opened. This produces a distinctive "crack-crack-crack" sound of the blade opening and gives this type of knife the nickname "carraca" in Spanish. This sound attained a level of notoriety in olden times similar to that of a shotgun being pumped in modern culture. The lock is released by lifting a lever on the back of the knife or by pulling on a similarly-placed ring.

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The blades come in many sizes and shapes and tend to be large by modern standards, from 4 to 12 inches long. The most common blade style is a variation of a "clip-point" blade, with half of the blade's spine consisting of a concave, unsharpened edge towards the tip end. Most knives have a wooden or bone handle reinforced with steel or brass, although they can be purchased today finished with very expensive materials such silver, ivory & gold.

The larger versions of the navaja would traditionally be worn pushed into the belt or sash with its distinctively curved handle left exposed, handy for rapid deployment. The navaja would have been carried by anyone who needed a knife, sailors & shepherds as well as bandits & guerrillas.

The navaja was popular among thieves and the Spanish "Gypsies", the Gitanos. The navaja's popularity among the criminal element is attested to in James Loriega's book Sevillian Steel. Loriega writes,

Navajas crossed the hands and drew the blood of soldiers and sailors, rogues and ruffians, and diplomats and aristocrats both in and out of Spain's borders. The use of the navaja fostered a mystique, not only from Seville's back streets, but also from the seedy waterfronts of Barcelona, and the cosmopolitan promenades of Madrid. Regardless of their original intent, the navaja represented the ultimate means for resolving disagreements, misunderstandings, and problems that arose in dockside bars, darkened alleys, and an untold number of places not found in any guidebook; places where there is little reliance on legal recourses; places where you either catch a glimpse of steel and live-or miss it and never know why you died

After more than 2 centuries of popular and continuous use (1750-1950 approx.) navajas slowly became both quite smaller and less popular.
 
razorsdescent said:
Alright i'm assuming that if your concealing a folder its for Self defense otherwise why conceal and not carry openly just clipped into you pocket. now i don't claim to be a master of super kung-fu ninja knife fighting but i have lived parts of my life in rough areas and this kind of knife would never even be considered. It would take forever and a day to get that thing out and open it meanwhile some other dude with a little shiv he bought in china town would quickly stab you repeatedly and leave you to bleed in the street or he would just hoot you (gun beats knife people) Also i don't buy the idea that this would be legal in the state of california ( i'm a big fan of the better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6 school of thought but the argument assumes you want to stay legit.) i just cant imagine a cop searching you and shruging off a giant folding sword, ive heard stories of people having screwdrivers confiscated in parts of cali i just don't see a california law enforcement officer say ok whatever and handing you that knife back. if i was a leo id be way more lenient to someone carrying an 16" ASP (with which i could shatter that rediculous knifes blade and then knock the weilder in the head) and a leatherman or smaller folder for utility.



Did i miss something and it suddenly became the norm to carry folders instead of fixed blades in the field? everyone seems to want to b e able to baton their folder through an oak tree nowadays. But either way id disagree with u on which knife id want in a survival situation. i would be way more comfortable with a military or better yet a manix a super sharp 4 inch flat ground blade will slice most anything and could in a pinch be batoned through a sizable piece of wood if i was in a situation where there was n o alternative. never has any outdoors project required me to really chop down a big piece of wood there's always plenty of deadfall wherever there are trees or you can leverage the branch off or snap it with your hand unless im going to build a log cabin i don't need a chopper and then if i did i would certainly go for an axe. what do you plan on doing that would snap the blade on a spyderco milie?


This is just a classic example of some of the rediculuos knives some companies come out with. I guess for some people its really nifty and they just gotta have one the way i hop on a busse, but the thing i dont agree with is the knifes intended purpose specifically i dont think there is one. i think cold steel decided to make a very large folder and did just that i dont think it was created to fill any niche in the knife world. Just because a knife is made that doesnt automaticaly mean that it is useful.


Maybe we just have to agree to disagree ill take my manix and you can have your rediculously large cold steel XL espad a:D
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Who said it was normal to carry folders in the field?

What I ment was if someone only had this knife it could be used in the field.

Personally I prefer fixed blades to any folder.
 
Ankerson said:
Who said it was normal to carry folders in the field?

What I ment was if someone only had this knife it could be used in the field.

Personally I prefer fixed blades to any folder.
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Well i certainly agree with you about the fixed VS folder, it was more of a generalizing sweep of a trend i have been seeing where like clockwork about 2 times a week some guy comes onto the forum to ask what folder he should use to survive in the woods. i don't know where this trend originated, but i find it a tad bothersome that there are people out there who think they get the right folder and they are super survival man :jerkit: bu who knows maybe i'm simply crazy i know that the majority still want the ultimate rambo knife :D

but where we disagree is the subject of giant honking super folders versus a simple sharp blade for use out in the woods the finnish were masters of bushcraft and that mastery revolved around knives. They didn't use giant freaking monster blades the used the slim and elegant puukko to do everything. I don't think they ever chopped down trees with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puukko

In my bug out bag i have a buss skinny ash-1 which i believe is a ver versatile outdoors blade. i cant say i think the same of this thing im not saying we should all turn in our bowies and larger knives for finnish puukkos because they are the ultimate knife for the woods. it all boils down to user preference


Truth is that you can get by with most any decent blade in the woods but i think that things like this knife are a facet of the bigger is better myth and are not really designed to be functional tools. so the thing can chop through small trees that's wonderful, if i ever decide i need a folder that can do this ill get one but all my experience and and everything ive learned about the bush makes me believe otherwise. :yawn:
 
razorsdescent said:
Well i certainly agree with you about the fixed VS folder, it was more of a generalizing sweep of a trend i have been seeing where like clockwork about 2 times a week some guy comes onto the forum to ask what folder he should use to survive in the woods. i don't know where this trend originated, but i find it a tad bothersome that there are people out there who think they get the right folder and they are super survival man :jerkit: bu who knows maybe i'm simply crazy i know that the majority still want the ultimate rambo knife :D

but where we disagree is the subject of giant honking super folders versus a simple sharp blade for use out in the woods the finnish were masters of bushcraft and that mastery revolved around knives. They didn't use giant freaking monster blades the used the slim and elegant puukko to do everything. I don't think they ever chopped down trees with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puukko

In my bug out bag i have a buss skinny ash-1 which i believe is a ver versatile outdoors blade. i cant say i think the same of this thing im not saying we should all turn in our bowies and larger knives for finnish puukkos because they are the ultimate knife for the woods. it all boils down to user preference


Truth is that you can get by with most any decent blade in the woods but i think that things like this knife are a facet of the bigger is better myth and are not really designed to be functional tools. so the thing can chop through small trees that's wonderful, if i ever decide i need a folder that can do this ill get one but all my experience and and everything ive learned about the bush makes me believe otherwise. :yawn:
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I have seen the same trend also, people talking about HARD USE FOLDING knives, now to me that would mean it should be able to take just about anything.

To others, well I just don't know. :yawn:
 
Ankerson said:
I have seen the same trend also, people talking about HARD USE FOLDING knives, now to me that would mean it should be able to take just about anything.

To others, well I just don't know. :yawn:
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Its all this modern B.S marketing. Im glad i'm not the only one who sees this.
 
A delightful thing. I'm sure uses for it could be thought of. :)

Glad I don't have any extra spending money, otherwise I'd be ordering one and be forced to bear all manner of ridicule from about everyone. :p
 
razorsdescent said:
Its all this modern B.S marketing. Im glad i'm not the only one who sees this.
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That's why I prefer GOOD fixed blades personally. :D

Now there are a few folders that can really take a real pounding, abuse etc, but they are the exception and most of them are not cheap.

The term still makes me laugh though, hard use folder. LOL

Guess that means opening envelopes and cutting tape for most of them that I have seen recommended over time.
 
Ankerson said:
That's why I prefer GOOD fixed blades personally. :D

Now there are a few folders that can really take a real pounding, abuse etc, but they are the exception and most of them are not cheap.

The term still makes me laugh though, hard use folder. LOL

Guess that means opening envelopes and cutting tape for most of them that I have seen recommended over time.
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HAHA not cheap...... :p thats comin from a busse fan o another busse fan.


hard use folders..... ehhh some are pretty tough but the older i get the more i enjoy different styles of knives but tend to rel on my fixed blades bein thrown in my pocket.
 
Mike, that XL looks INSANELY HUUUUGE!!!

I'm already thinking how I'm gonna get this one past Mrs. 4 Ranges...
 
Rolando,

Hook you up with a special price if you contact me. Then you can tell Mrs. 4Ranges how much you saved. Same line women use coming back from a sale.
 
Many, many of you guys are looking at the size thing all wrong. I live in California. My county does not issue CCWs. But, I can carry ANY size folding knife I want. Therefore, the XL Espada makes perfect sense.

I have a black belt in Shotokan Karate and have done a lot of empty hand sparring. I took the Cold Steel knife course 7 years ago. In the knife sparring portion, I learned an important thing -

THE BIGGER YOUR KNIFE IS, THE BETTER YOUR ADVANTAGE.

Reach is everything. Given two equally skilled people, who would you put your money on? The guy with the Spyderco Delica or the guy with the Cold Steel XL Espada.

I just ordered one yesterday. My life is worth $250. Heck, it might even be worth $275.
 
Benelli Shooter said:
Many, many of you guys are looking at the size thing all wrong. I live in California. My county does not issue CCWs. But, I can carry ANY size folding knife I want. Therefore, the XL Espada makes perfect sense.

I have a black belt in Shotokan Karate and have done a lot of empty hand sparring. I took the Cold Steel knife course 7 years ago. In the knife sparring portion, I learned an important thing -

THE BIGGER YOUR KNIFE IS, THE BETTER YOUR ADVANTAGE.

Reach is everything. Given two equally skilled people, who would you put your money on? The guy with the Spyderco Delica or the guy with the Cold Steel XL Espada.

I just ordered one yesterday. My life is worth $250. Heck, it might even be worth $275.
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You seem to not be listening to what the many, many of us have to say...:rolleyes:


Sure you CAN key word CAN carry any folder you want but that doesn't mean that law enforcement is going to be happy about it. Leo's frown on people carrying knives like this around, it makes you look like your up to no good.

Ok so your a black belt congratulations :thumbup: I'm sure the cold steel knife course is the be all end all of super knife fighting training and your now qualified to tell every one else on the planet that their knife is inadequate to your pocket sword but for the umpteenth time ill give you my view and you can take it or leave it and at this point i don't care which i just want you to understand my point of view: which is this. Getting a knife into a fight is way more important than having the better knife (im not concedeing you that your knife is better just because it is big because i dont believe that) youu have this very odd notion that this is going to be a fair fight and that you are going to face off against each other in one on one knife combat, well your not. some person (or group of persons) is going to jump you and while your trying to get your rediculously large knif eout of your pocket they are gonna cut you to ribbons with a box cutter or hit you with a bat.


So to your scenario i answer this, which ever guy jumps out from behind the corner and stabs another guy in the face. also if they are close to each other the guy with the delica because he isnt gonna have to take as long opening up his puny little knife and then hes gonna disembowel the other guy with his small sharp blade.


heres another thing what about if its indoors? like an apartment building hallway? then you could very well get your pocket sword lodged into a wall and it will be a big help to you then.:rolleyes:

Reach bleh if your practicing your cushy little none dynamic enviornment yeah id want to have they reach, in real life i want the speed to slash him in the face and run like hell.:mad:
 
razorsdescent said:
Sure you CAN key word CAN carry any folder you want but that doesn't mean that law enforcement is going to be happy about it.
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and what are they going to do about it if the law places no restriction on the carry of a folding knife of any size. Sorry sir, I'm going to have to confiscate that legal item you're carrying, and arrest you for not breaking the law.
 
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