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CSU FRESNO: they took my strider!
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Nope, no news yet. My hearing is on June 4th. Wish me luck.
My mother has also become a lot more cool with the knives lately. When I got the Spyderco catalog, she said the Bob Lum tanto is cute and she told me she wants a Spydercard.
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My mother has also become a lot more cool with the knives lately. When I got the Spyderco catalog, she said the Bob Lum tanto is cute and she told me she wants a Spydercard.
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I just don't get it... I sold one of the officers a like new M16-14 when I got my CS Triple Action double edge. He was even playing with it, swinging it bali style and such. One of the seargents and I were comparing her BM Elishawitz(sp?) auto with my at the time new Strider. there was never any problems. Then this prick arrests me and they all stand behind him. They agreed with my friend Chris that my knife was legal yet they still arrested me for it. And don't think for a second that knives are a rarity at my campus, CSU Fresno has IMO, the best ag program in the state. And with that come the cowboy types complete with a Buck 110, which by the arresting officer's logic, are all breaking the law as well. I don't like to repeat myself (oh, alright, maybe when I say nothing but good stuff about the Strider
) but I don't get it
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The Magician
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Sory to hear that. I agree with everyone else. SUE THEM! SUE THEM HARD! Sue them until you get evrything you deserve. Maybe even a custom strider...
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Brian
The first knife was probably used to cut stuff.
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Brian
The first knife was probably used to cut stuff.
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I was just thinking about that. *itching chin* A custom Strider AR series is the least they could do. LMAO
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I'd like to add a couple thoughts to those offered earlier. When asked if I have any weapons, I usually answer politely that I have one or two pocket knives that I use as tools, but no weapons. If asked further questions, I describe some of the chores I've performed with those tools. I can truthfully add that I've never used a knife as a weapon. That approach avoids any admission that you are carrying a weapon.
I also agree with the advice about not consenting to searches---especially when you are not present. After all, the 4th Amendment was intended to protect all citizens, including innocent people. The fact that you are innocent and have nothing to hide doesn't mean that you should give up your right to be free from unreasonable search.
I also agree that you should be careful what you post here. Written comments can be misconstrued and used against you. For example, I would be especially careful about describing myself as any kind of "knife nut." It wouldn't sound good if the prosecutor started his presentation to the jury by stating that you are a self-described "knife nut." "Cutlery enthusiast" may sound too PC for many of our tastes, but it might be a better term in your situation.
Best of luck in vindicating yourself against this outrage.
DPD
I also agree with the advice about not consenting to searches---especially when you are not present. After all, the 4th Amendment was intended to protect all citizens, including innocent people. The fact that you are innocent and have nothing to hide doesn't mean that you should give up your right to be free from unreasonable search.
I also agree that you should be careful what you post here. Written comments can be misconstrued and used against you. For example, I would be especially careful about describing myself as any kind of "knife nut." It wouldn't sound good if the prosecutor started his presentation to the jury by stating that you are a self-described "knife nut." "Cutlery enthusiast" may sound too PC for many of our tastes, but it might be a better term in your situation.
Best of luck in vindicating yourself against this outrage.
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solid
am new to the forum and knives in general. Bro, sounds like they dragged you through the s***! How is it working out? I hope the person who ratted on you is having trouble sleeping (at the minimum).
As a fellow knife nut I always try an follow local laws - my big scary knives stay at home while my EDC is very sheeple friendly (and legal) seems they can get us on that now!
The one piece of legal advice I have recieved (I saw it on here already) is to say you knife is a TOOL never say it is a weapon or say anything about self defense.
Hope it all works out and justice is done.
am new to the forum and knives in general. Bro, sounds like they dragged you through the s***! How is it working out? I hope the person who ratted on you is having trouble sleeping (at the minimum).
As a fellow knife nut I always try an follow local laws - my big scary knives stay at home while my EDC is very sheeple friendly (and legal) seems they can get us on that now!
The one piece of legal advice I have recieved (I saw it on here already) is to say you knife is a TOOL never say it is a weapon or say anything about self defense.
Hope it all works out and justice is done.
Solid Soldier, I dearly hope you pursue the litigation against EVERYONE involved with screwing you. Unless you do, you WILL be victimized again, having proved you're an "easy mark". Even worse, you will have encouraged the PD to do the same more freely and frequently, irrefutably a violation of the law itself.
I also strongly urge you to push HARD on the name of the person who allegedly "tipped" the police. Odds are it will be a "Confidential Informant", another means for police to cook up false charges and maliciously initiate illegal prosecution. Your so-called "buddies" in the PD apparently have no loyalty or integrity, so don't worry about them. By failing to intervene and protect you, they voluntarily contributed to your situation. They will refuse to divulge the name of the "Confidential Informant". The U.S. Constitution, however, clearly states in the 5th and 6th "Amendments" (sic)that you have a right to confront your accuser. In order for California to obtain Statehood, it was required to accept the U.S. Constitution, and to enforce it as it's own, superceding any and all other laws. If your attorney is willing to push this issue, against the inevitable extreme pressure by the judiciary and prosecution, he can make a landmark case of this in California, and ensure his professional and financial pre-eminence nationally. But the odds are that he will want to take the easy way out, and will balk at honoring his oath of the Bar. Unless you insist, and demand with absolute intransigence that he respect your wishes, he will probably sell you out, which is BTW, a crime in itself. If that happens, you are entitled to get another attorney, one who WILL do as you ask, and WILL then litigate against his "brother" attorney (which they don't like to do; it makes them look bad in the country club).
Don't forget to litigate against the school, the dorm, the police, the city, the county, and anyone remotely connected with the case. After all, you are now emotionally damaged for life, and unable to concentrate and focus on your studies, or even to walk on the streets for fear of unjust retribution and retaliation by any and all of the relevant "authorities. Emotional distress may sound wimpy to you now, but is a legitimate legal concern, and can serve well to put agencies that knowingly and deliberately violate the law in their place, not to mention financial compesnation that will pay your legal, educational, and other incidental expenses, and then some. They MUST be made to pay, but in more ways than one. In addition to financial compensation, you must insist on the same incarceration threatened against you for those who illegally did so. Every single person involved MUST be convicted of a felony. Afterward, of course, in accordance with California (and federal) law, they may never again legally possess a firearm of any kind. Fitting reward, I think.
Again, for your own sake, and that of other potential victims of this illegal scam, PLEASE litigate till you have every one of the bastards in prison, your RIGHTS observed and validated, and have been financially compensated for the unconscionable injustice deliberately inflicted on you. It WILL be a hassle, and you WILL receive threats, both overt and concealed in double entendre. They must all be documented too, and added to the litigation. Get and carry at all times a micro-mini recorder, and be alert and vigilant at all times.
Do NOT be intimidated, or even "bought off" with a "settlement". Justice DEMANDS that given this opportunity, you strike a blow for freedom for everyone. No offense intended, but anything less is an extreme dereliction of duty as a citizen. I wish you my very best, and may God protect and direct you.
Take care.
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George
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I also strongly urge you to push HARD on the name of the person who allegedly "tipped" the police. Odds are it will be a "Confidential Informant", another means for police to cook up false charges and maliciously initiate illegal prosecution. Your so-called "buddies" in the PD apparently have no loyalty or integrity, so don't worry about them. By failing to intervene and protect you, they voluntarily contributed to your situation. They will refuse to divulge the name of the "Confidential Informant". The U.S. Constitution, however, clearly states in the 5th and 6th "Amendments" (sic)that you have a right to confront your accuser. In order for California to obtain Statehood, it was required to accept the U.S. Constitution, and to enforce it as it's own, superceding any and all other laws. If your attorney is willing to push this issue, against the inevitable extreme pressure by the judiciary and prosecution, he can make a landmark case of this in California, and ensure his professional and financial pre-eminence nationally. But the odds are that he will want to take the easy way out, and will balk at honoring his oath of the Bar. Unless you insist, and demand with absolute intransigence that he respect your wishes, he will probably sell you out, which is BTW, a crime in itself. If that happens, you are entitled to get another attorney, one who WILL do as you ask, and WILL then litigate against his "brother" attorney (which they don't like to do; it makes them look bad in the country club).
Don't forget to litigate against the school, the dorm, the police, the city, the county, and anyone remotely connected with the case. After all, you are now emotionally damaged for life, and unable to concentrate and focus on your studies, or even to walk on the streets for fear of unjust retribution and retaliation by any and all of the relevant "authorities. Emotional distress may sound wimpy to you now, but is a legitimate legal concern, and can serve well to put agencies that knowingly and deliberately violate the law in their place, not to mention financial compesnation that will pay your legal, educational, and other incidental expenses, and then some. They MUST be made to pay, but in more ways than one. In addition to financial compensation, you must insist on the same incarceration threatened against you for those who illegally did so. Every single person involved MUST be convicted of a felony. Afterward, of course, in accordance with California (and federal) law, they may never again legally possess a firearm of any kind. Fitting reward, I think.
Again, for your own sake, and that of other potential victims of this illegal scam, PLEASE litigate till you have every one of the bastards in prison, your RIGHTS observed and validated, and have been financially compensated for the unconscionable injustice deliberately inflicted on you. It WILL be a hassle, and you WILL receive threats, both overt and concealed in double entendre. They must all be documented too, and added to the litigation. Get and carry at all times a micro-mini recorder, and be alert and vigilant at all times.
Do NOT be intimidated, or even "bought off" with a "settlement". Justice DEMANDS that given this opportunity, you strike a blow for freedom for everyone. No offense intended, but anything less is an extreme dereliction of duty as a citizen. I wish you my very best, and may God protect and direct you.
Take care.
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On Friday, the attorney told me they have filed misdemeanor charges against me. My court date is tomorrow. Wish me luck...
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Of course they filed charges against you. They have to. They have to justify everything else they've done to you. It's a CYA for them.
All those who have encouraged you to sue everyone involved as fully as possible are completely correct. If you write a letter or file a complaint, those will, at most, go into a file in a room in the basement of some obscure building somewhere and be quickly forgotten. But, when you bring a suit and they have to defend that suit and maybe even pay a judgement or settlement, now you're hitting 'em where they pay attention: right in the old budget! Complaints and letters aren't going to modivate police chiefs or university administrators to review and change policies, training, and practices. But, when they see budget money they'd wanted to spend on something else going to fight a lawsuit or pay a settlement or judgement, that will get their attention.
When an officer comes up for a review, complaints and letters are easily overlooked. But, "you're stupid mistakes cost this department or this university X dollars..." well, that has a little more impact on retention, salary, and promotion decisions.
Policies and procedures and training are nice, but it's jobs and salaries and promotions that really get officer's attention. When one officer says to another "Did you hear what happened to Bob? He didn't get promoted this year because of that lawsuit he caused," you can bet that the other officers will change their conduct so as not to jepardize their own promotions and raises.
There's an old saying: when money talks, people listen.
Relax about the misdemeanor charges. It sounds like you've got a good attorney. Just focus on that Custom Strider.
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All those who have encouraged you to sue everyone involved as fully as possible are completely correct. If you write a letter or file a complaint, those will, at most, go into a file in a room in the basement of some obscure building somewhere and be quickly forgotten. But, when you bring a suit and they have to defend that suit and maybe even pay a judgement or settlement, now you're hitting 'em where they pay attention: right in the old budget! Complaints and letters aren't going to modivate police chiefs or university administrators to review and change policies, training, and practices. But, when they see budget money they'd wanted to spend on something else going to fight a lawsuit or pay a settlement or judgement, that will get their attention.
When an officer comes up for a review, complaints and letters are easily overlooked. But, "you're stupid mistakes cost this department or this university X dollars..." well, that has a little more impact on retention, salary, and promotion decisions.
Policies and procedures and training are nice, but it's jobs and salaries and promotions that really get officer's attention. When one officer says to another "Did you hear what happened to Bob? He didn't get promoted this year because of that lawsuit he caused," you can bet that the other officers will change their conduct so as not to jepardize their own promotions and raises.
There's an old saying: when money talks, people listen.
Relax about the misdemeanor charges. It sounds like you've got a good attorney. Just focus on that Custom Strider.
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Deteriorating rights, waning freedom...
Man i just got off of work and started reading your whole posting, man that sucks. And to think this is what I have to look forward to when I go to college(hopefully at CPSLO) i'll have to be sure to check their laws because i carry usually larger knives and very expensive ones(not customs benchmades but they are a lot of money to me.) But mainly i agree prosacute these @#$%@#$#@, i'm sorry these wonderfully misguided individuals. But i like the idea of transfering schools with enough money to go somewhere else or stay there whatever but enough money left over for youe BMW, lexus, mercedes and a handful of customs u know necessities. but mainly because of this injustice. I mean the laws already suck enough in CA don' t make them worse by charging for something you didn't do. So I hope that you win and may God be with you. And let us know what goes on tomorrow
Trevor Zantos
PS does any knowledgeable pepople in here know what the laws for a concealed fixed blade are in CA. For my next purchase i was thinking about neck knife but i want to know what the laws are thanks
and maybe someplace offical that cites where you got your info thanks again.
Trevor Zantos
PS does any knowledgeable pepople in here know what the laws for a concealed fixed blade are in CA. For my next purchase i was thinking about neck knife but i want to know what the laws are thanks
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Get your lawyer to fight it. Do NOT take a plea bargin.
Have him file for a motion to surpress. The search sounds bogus as you describe it. What did he want to talk to you about anyway? What was in your pockets? Sounds like total BS.
Although the plea sentence would be an easy way out. Such as a $20 fine its still a Guilty on a weapons charge. It can block your path toward a lot of career choices.
[This message has been edited by Frank Castle (edited 06-04-2001).]
Have him file for a motion to surpress. The search sounds bogus as you describe it. What did he want to talk to you about anyway? What was in your pockets? Sounds like total BS.
Although the plea sentence would be an easy way out. Such as a $20 fine its still a Guilty on a weapons charge. It can block your path toward a lot of career choices.
[This message has been edited by Frank Castle (edited 06-04-2001).]
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I just got back from court. My attorney is VERY competent. He is sending me the police reports so that I can find any discrepancies(sp?) between my story and the PD's. They had xerox's of the Strider and my CS Triple Action. The Cold Steel had been in my dorm, broken after 3 weeks of flipping. I had it held together with wire, hoping to fix it over summer. In it's present condition, it was inoperable.
Here's the kicker:
They labled both knives as 4" blades. Neither of them had an actual blade length of four inches.
My attorney thinks the prosecution may be confused (or may be trying to pass it off as) thinking that the same laws applying to a K-12 campus are applying to me.
In other words, they have no case. My next court date is the 26 of June.
I would like to thank all of you for standing behind me on this one. It's been hell, and it ain't over yet.
Thanks for your support.
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Here's the kicker:
They labled both knives as 4" blades. Neither of them had an actual blade length of four inches.
My attorney thinks the prosecution may be confused (or may be trying to pass it off as) thinking that the same laws applying to a K-12 campus are applying to me.
In other words, they have no case. My next court date is the 26 of June.
I would like to thank all of you for standing behind me on this one. It's been hell, and it ain't over yet.
Thanks for your support.
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solid_soldier -- am finally getting sleepy, so didn't read the second page of this thread.
This is hindsight, and thankfully unnecessary in this instance. Nevertheless, given the problems you've faced, the chances something of the sort will occur again are very real.
Never allow a search without being present. Someone could plant something in your digs. Worse, a crooked cop could plant something while doing the search. Please don't think I'm "anti-cop for saying this, but you just had it proved to you that police often operate way outside the intent of the law, sometimes outside the letter of the law. CYA always!!
Good luck in this situation. However sick of it you get, I believe you owe it to yourself, and to other potential victims of such crap to pursue civil litigation. And, I strongly agree with Jim March, that you must press a wrongful arrest charge against the arresting officer. If you get anywhere near a grab on his short hairs, twist them til he screams.
I'd also push as hard as possible to learn the ID of the individual who made the complaint against you. HOpefully, your attorney can get it in discovery before arraignment. If you succeed, think of a legal, but nasty as possible, retaliation. I have my sincere doubts that the cops can get by with some silly **** about a "reliable informant."
Best of luck!
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Asi es la vida
Bugs
This is hindsight, and thankfully unnecessary in this instance. Nevertheless, given the problems you've faced, the chances something of the sort will occur again are very real.
Never allow a search without being present. Someone could plant something in your digs. Worse, a crooked cop could plant something while doing the search. Please don't think I'm "anti-cop for saying this, but you just had it proved to you that police often operate way outside the intent of the law, sometimes outside the letter of the law. CYA always!!
Good luck in this situation. However sick of it you get, I believe you owe it to yourself, and to other potential victims of such crap to pursue civil litigation. And, I strongly agree with Jim March, that you must press a wrongful arrest charge against the arresting officer. If you get anywhere near a grab on his short hairs, twist them til he screams.
I'd also push as hard as possible to learn the ID of the individual who made the complaint against you. HOpefully, your attorney can get it in discovery before arraignment. If you succeed, think of a legal, but nasty as possible, retaliation. I have my sincere doubts that the cops can get by with some silly **** about a "reliable informant."
Best of luck!
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Bugs
HOLY COW! I can't believe you have to go thru all this BS over an "anonymous" tip. I've gotta jump on the bandwagon and say once you beat this rap in court............SUE the bastids. All of em. Every one of em. Good luck bro, and don't get discouraged.
Woody
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