Custom knives gone soft...?

mendezj said:
I'm not concerned about it. It is a pretty looking knife, and that's that. Besides, I use most of my knives on a regular basis (more than the average user maybe?), and I probably notice what many won't. I'm perfectly cool with the knife, I'm old enough to know that nothing or no one is perfect, and I take it all as part of the learning curve. And, as I pointed out, there is always the odd knife that won't reach your expectations.

Having said that, I think it is important for the trade in general, buyers and sellers, to know that one must keep high standards for the benefit of all. :thumbup:

In any case, we are presently living the Golden Age of knives. In my rather worthless opinion, you'll find today in the US the very best knives that have ever been built.
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I wish the best for you, and this knife.
Theres so many of these knife smiths using machines that I wonder how much of their actual fingers touch the damn knife. It makes me sick!

They just mill out knives almost like robot's losing the touch and focus for each knife using them F''ing machines so much. Machine Grind instead of Hand file. Belt sand instead of sand by hand, or perfection of the hammer (hand held hammer).

Belt sharpen, instead of hand sharpening. In my opinion even every master smith (I'm sure most do if they are master smiths) should abuse each knife prior to giving it out instead of being over confident and thinking "I'm a master smith Ive done this a thousand times I know this knife is solid, and tempered properly" instead of chopping hard wood and checking the edges with a loupe, or magnifier. MAKES ME SICK!!!!!!!!


Sorry I had to throw some gripe in on this, but every obsessive compulsive disordered knife maker like myself I bet is feeling the same irritation that someone out there could send a knife off half ass'd.

I'm gonna stop my B***ching about this.. it just pisses me off.
That knife should F**n be FREE given to you with a major appologee, but instead your taking it very well, and I am feeling anger for you as if I bought the knife myself.
Noble man you are! More than myself because I would have done everything short of a bus ticket to the knife makers address for some arse whooping!

-Cody Oebel
 
riderV3 said:
But nowadays anybody could buy customs just to store them away and some even labeled "not a user so don't do this and that..."
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I read this that the OWNER of the knife might have labeled a custom knife as such. Not the maker.

There is NO custom maker that would label a knife that way unless it was a special display knife or some other one-off that was not intended for cutting.

Maybe the OP could clarify.
 
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I would not be cool with a knife whose blade steel was soft, unhardened steel, regardless of how pretty it was.

Cody - my suggestion would be that you look to your own work and not make sweeping negative generalizations about other makers and their methods.

Roger
 
riderV3 said:
In old days the best blacksmith makes the best war tools so only the best warriors get to carry custom baldes on a battlefield where they out-perform all.

But nowadays anybody could buy customs just to store them away and some even labeled "not a user so don't do this and that..."

Is the amount of cash spent really the only reason people treat customs as eye candy instead of tools...?

Why is that the production version of a knife could take a beating that a custom version cannot, shouldn't the blades handled by the masters be superior?

Is it true that custom blades have gone soft...?

How many of you out there actually take your customs out there and use them like they're supposed to be used?
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I bought few customs fighters and never use them! And I don't want my sons to use them either! I warned them few times "These customs fighters are users! So don't simply take any of these fighters just to stab or slaughter people with any of them!". I'm fully aware that all my customs fighters are supposed to be used for fighting, stabbing, slashing and killing but I wish and I hope that I'm not going to use them like they're supposed to be used :p

mohd
 
i make mine to use and use hard go to my web site and watch the vid of the knife test...if you had one that the HT was "soft" get ahold of the maker and make him fix it
 
Personally from a makers standpoint. I have to build all my knives to be used wether they are a $400.00 hunter or an art piece. Can I say what the customer is going to do with that knife? It may be for display or they may put it to actual use. That is why I test my blades. I want to know that the knife I put out for sale is the best I can make it and will do what it is intended to do. Why would you make a knife that cannot be used for its intended purpose?
Brion
 
CodyOebel said:
I wish the best for you, and this knife.
Theres so many of these knife smiths using machines that I wonder how much of their actual fingers touch the damn knife. It makes me sick!

They just mill out knives almost like robot's losing the touch and focus for each knife using them F''ing machines so much. Machine Grind instead of Hand file. Belt sand instead of sand by hand, or perfection of the hammer (hand held hammer).

Belt sharpen, instead of hand sharpening. In my opinion even every master smith (I'm sure most do if they are master smiths) should abuse each knife prior to giving it out instead of being over confident and thinking "I'm a master smith Ive done this a thousand times I know this knife is solid, and tempered properly" instead of chopping hard wood and checking the edges with a loupe, or magnifier. MAKES ME SICK!!!!!!!!

-Cody Oebel
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Its out of control...
These Master Smiths and their Freakin Robots...
Respect..
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Check out how soft this is! Man, do I suck...

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Not as cool as Snody's robots, but just as out of control.
 
...somebody must have thrown this one in with extra Downy softener! TOTAL Charmin softness!

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...makin' me want to squeeze the Charmin, for sure...

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Makes me want to cuddle.
 
i'm a couple days late to this party and should know better than to even open my mouth on an angry thread. And i also see how the OP's words came out wrong and riled everyone up, although i don't think that was his intent. i think it just came out wrong.

but in his defense on 1 point that he is taking significant heat for from a couple of guys to the point of being called a mall ninja shopper - i also have seen the same 'not a user' ads, and even here on BF customs.

I'm making ZERO aspersions good-or-bad, b/c for some it's strictly art and not about function. not my personal style, but neither is a slipjoint folder or a fully serrated blade. and i'm not going to throw anyone's knife under the bus - if you're bound and determined to see an official for-sale 'Not A User' ad, PM me and i'll forward a link to you. they aren't that hard to find. but he's not lying. they show up, and even here on BF.

for example, here's a quick cut-n-paste from the description on an ad that was up on the exchange just a couple months ago:
>>>This knife is called the XXXXXXXXX, which is a genus of Black Barracuda. The name is fitting, since this species is long, black, has a pointed head, spots, and super sharp teeth; just like the knife. It is all handmade by me, and is designed to be an art knife. I'm sure whoever buys it is not going to use it hard.<<<
btw - in this seller's own words, only 1 in 3 people like his knives. 2/3 of people hate them, but the 1/3 that like them, love them. he's happy with his work and his clientele, and styles vary.

GREAT user pics in prev posts, sarcasm aside. i'm jealous. it's cold, the snow has turned to rain, crap weather, slush on the ground. skiing is still great, but as much as i love skiing, it's hard to find a reason to pull out a knife on a ski lift ride :)
 
Matt - the Bushwacker has been cooped up all winter - let's hope Dan needs some trails cleared so we can mess with it some more. Plus I have a Wulf camp knife itching for its first scratches.

Roger
 
good idea to turn this thread into a 'knife usin' thread!

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CodyOebel said:
They just mill out knives almost like robot's losing the touch and focus for each knife using them F''ing machines so much. Machine Grind instead of Hand file. Belt sand instead of sand by hand, or perfection of the hammer (hand held hammer).

Belt sharpen, instead of hand sharpening.-Cody Oebel
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Yeah! Daggone powered grinders and hammers been ruinin' bladesmithing for like 1200 years! :D

http://scholar.chem.nyu.edu/tekpages/grindstone.html
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I was just going to let this go, BUT, it has been one of those days. Finally got the damascus bowie blade I am working on to cooperate, I have the burned fingers and forearms to show for it. Cody, for your information, most mastersmiths do test every knife, certainly not to destruction, but we do test them. Also for your information, when I started I did hand filing on blades and used a pedal powered grinder, still have it. Do I use these things now, hardly. The reason is this, I make knives because I really enjoy it. It is really cool to be able to take a bar of steel and make a useable piece of art out of it. I also make knives to sell. The more efficient I am with my time the more I can get done. Grinders make me more efficient, as do mills and drill presses. I could go on but you get my drift. And, lastly. obsessive?? you bet. I would not be a Mastersmith if I was not obsessive, obsessed with making the best knife I can each time. There is a whole lot of sweat, pain, and ME in every knife I build, so no I have not lost touch and I would say every bladesmith would say the same. Sorry about the long winded post, but it just struck me the wrong way.
Best of luck with your endeavors Cody and I still look forward to seeing you at a show or event.
Brion
 
RogerP said:
Matt - the Bushwacker has been cooped up all winter - let's hope Dan needs some trails cleared so we can mess with it some more. Plus I have a Wulf camp knife itching for its first scratches.

Roger
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Make the call, man - it's time!
 
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