Custom or not ?

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bigmark408

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This knife was removed from the custom forsale section by mike G (mod)...he says this is not a custom CRK ...i told him that i have (more than one) certificates from Chris, but he would like Chris to email or pm him telling him that it is a custom before he lets it be posted in the custom section.

Chris please let me know in this thread if this knife is a custom.

Also, i would like to hear the thoughts of the members if you think this is a custom.

Keep in mind that all production umnumzaans have S30V machine ground blades (not S35VN handground) and there are no embelished (other than the 2) and the 2 that are embelished are different embelishment....making this one of a kind.

Being this knife has one of a kind embelishment would that alone not make it custom ?


http://www.plazacutlery.com/Reeves/Umnumzaan/umnumzaan1460075front.htm



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MORIMOTOM said:
do we consider the unique graphic models customs in the exchange?
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I dont think so.

But UGs dont cost 2K either.

One of two at that cost with unique steel...if it's not a CRK custom what is?

Not stating anything. I'm simply asking.
 
i think the hand ground and s35vn makes it custom...but thats just my opinion
 
MORIMOTOM said:
do we consider the unique graphic models customs in the exchange?
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Are they one of a kind ?

Do they have a new blade steel that is offered on the production models ?

Are they Hand Ground ?

Define custom ?

Quote from Plaza Cutlery

Notes: This is one of two Umnumzaan that will be custom decorated by Lisa this year. They will only be offered every other year at the Plaza Cutlery "Evening of the Cutlery Arts Show". So decorated models will be very rare and no more till the fall of 2010! There is more decoration on the back side that is not done on the Sebenza. Also this is a new steel and Chris has not revealed it yet. They made the two knives as a bonus out of this steel I will say it is extremely sharp! Comes with and envelope for the owner to send in and they will notify by mail when the time comes. So a couple of first here! First decorated and first time using this steel! Certificate enclosed!
 
I agree with Mike G. The Umnumzaan, like the Sebenza, is a production knife. Limited editions don't qualify as customs, or we'd go nuts directing traffic on the Exchange forums. :)
 
With the handground blade and other unique features that this knife came with as new, from the maker, I would consider it a custom.:thumbup:

I sure see a large number of XM-18's that are Rick's "production" models (machine ground blades) for sale in the Custom for sale area. I think that it would be nice to combine the "custom" and "production" For Sale forums into one forum. The lines are so blurry nowdays anyway with custom, production, mid-tech, semi-custom, pimped, modded, rare, sprint run etc., etc...........:barf: They're all just knives afterall. Buyers really need to do their homework before purchasing.:D

Your Umnum is definately more of "custom" than this knife IMO. Rick doesn't even consider these 3rd Gen XM's customs when you order one directly from him. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=725289
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I agree with Mike G. The Umnumzaan, like the Sebenza, is a production knife. Limited editions don't qualify as customs, or we'd go nuts directing traffic on the Exchange forums. :)
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Chris should have numbered this limited edition....the number would have been #1 of 1 :)
 
wade _s said:
With the handground blade and other unique features that this knife came with as new, from the maker, I would consider it a custom.:thumbup:

I sure see a large number of XM-18's that are Rick's "production" models (machine ground blades) for sale in the Custom for sale area. I think that it would be nice to combine the "custom" and "production" For Sale forums into one forum. The lines are so blurry nowdays anyway with custom, production, mid-tech, semi-custom, pimped, modded, rare, sprint run etc., etc...........:barf: They're all just knives afterall. Buyers really need to do their homework before purchasing.:D
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Good point about the Hinderer's. :)

Can the mods please explain that one to us please. :)
 
MORIMOTOM said:
yes. they are unique. unique = one of a kind.



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I beg to differ my friend...even the very rare flat gring sebenza's were machine ground. :)

adjective

1.made or done to order or, sometimes, made extra fine, as if to order
2.making things to order, or dealing in things made to order a custom tailor
 
bigmark408 said:
I beg to differ my friend...even the very rare flat gring sebenza's were machine ground. :)

adjective

1.made or done to order or, sometimes, made extra fine, as if to order
2.making things to order, or dealing in things made to order a custom tailor
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hmmmm....

i thought the satin blades were hand ground. learn something new every day.

fwiw, i would consider yours a custom, if i were a mod in that forum.
 
Custom or not has created as many threads as blade steel :D

I would just like a explination on how the custom section allows RJ Martins, Emersons, Hinderers and MANY others that are mass produced and apparently considered custom by some mods.

I have letters that have been signed by Chris and Anne that lead me to believe this is a custom knife....my POS HP scanner is broke or i would publish them here.

BTW, the total cost of this knife from Plaza Cuttlery was $2069.86....that's one heck of a pricey production knife ...not that price makes the difference of custom or production. :D
 
Mark,

That Knife Is A 100 Percent Custom All The Way

You Could Call CRK Right Now And Offer $5000.00 For One To Be Made And They Wont Do It Because It Is 1 Of 1 Made Which Makes It The Only One.

The Word Production Should Not Even Be In This Conversation

The Mod's Are Way Off Base One This On

:yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn: RICKSTER :yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn:
 
CRK is a production knife company. That's what they do. Embellished models are not customs they are simply decorated whether one or a hundred are made. Unless you personally called up Mr. Reeve and requested that he personally make every component of the knife BY HAND it is not a custom knife. Lisa did the work on a machine and the handle slabs are milled out. The only thing that maybe done by hand is the blade. By Plaza Cutlery's description it is custom decorated and that's about it.

RJ Martin, Hinderer, and Emerson produce both customs and mid-techs. If it is known that a knife for sale is a mid-tech then it may be moved to production if warranted. But the only way the mods are going to know this is if someone reports the thread so we can look into it.

And Rickster...tone it down a bit. Typing in large fonts is NOT going to make an impression on anyone, especially the mods.
 
Ken C. said:
CRK is a production knife company. That's what they do. Embellished models are not customs they are simply decorated whether one or a hundred are made. Unless you personally called up Mr. Reeve and requested that he personally make every component of the knife BY HAND it is not a custom knife. Lisa did the work on a machine and the handle slabs are milled out. The only thing that maybe done by hand is the blade. By Plaza Cutlery's description it is custom decorated and that's about it.

RJ Martin, Hinderer, and Emerson produce both customs and mid-techs. If it is known that a knife for sale is a mid-tech then it may be moved to production if warranted. But the only way the mods are going to know this is if someone reports the thread so we can look into it.

And Rickster...tone it down a bit. Typing in large fonts is NOT going to make an impression on anyone, especially the mods.
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OK, RJ Martin and his runs of 50 on his mass producing blade machine and cnc handles....those are definately customs :D

Not to mention the multitudes of Hinderers...OK, those are also customs ;) :thumbdn:

What it comes down to here is mods havin each others back without a reasonable explination.

Are you saying that Chris Reeve has never made a custom ?

Are you saying just because RJ Martin has made A custom that all his knives are custom ?

It's nice to know that The makers you mentioned above make every part by hand, especially since i have a very large collection of RJ's knives .:) :thumbup:



Doesn't make sense guys...when you guys clean out the custom section of all the knives that may be in question, then will i give a public apology for questioning your ethics.
 
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Ken C. said:
CRK is a production knife company. That's what they do. Embellished models are not customs they are simply decorated whether one or a hundred are made. Unless you personally called up Mr. Reeve and requested that he personally make every component of the knife BY HAND it is not a custom knife. Lisa did the work on a machine and the handle slabs are milled out. The only thing that maybe done by hand is the blade. By Plaza Cutlery's description it is custom decorated and that's about it.

RJ Martin, Hinderer, and Emerson produce both customs and mid-techs. If it is known that a knife for sale is a mid-tech then it may be moved to production if warranted. But the only way the mods are going to know this is if someone reports the thread so we can look into it.

And Rickster...tone it down a bit. Typing in large fonts is NOT going to make an impression on anyone, especially the mods.
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Ken,
Im sorry, I must have missed the font size rule.......... Rickster
 
bigmark408 said:
Custom or not has created as many threads as blade steel :D

I would just like a explination on how the custom section allows RJ Martins, Emersons, Hinderers and MANY others that are mass produced and apparently considered custom by some mods.
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Custom, handmade, semi-custom, mid-tech, limited edition, collectible, prototype, production . . . all catagories of knives that we as sellers need to jam into one of two labels (production & custom), and we as buyers expect to see listed under each of those same two labels. What ever the "many to two" mapping is, we just need to know . . . and a portion of that mapping is what Mark's trying to get clarified.

And then, there's the definitions of those terms! Yikes! If you take on that topic, good luck, moderators! :)
 
well is the handle done on machine? if that is done by hand i would consider it a custom, or at least handmade. nice knife mark :thumbup:
 
Fooj said:
Custom, handmade, semi-custom, mid-tech, limited edition, collectible, prototype, production . . . all catagories of knives that we as sellers need to jam into one of two labels (production & custom), and we as buyers expect to see listed under each of those same two labels. What ever the "many to two" mapping is, we just need to know . . . and a portion of that mapping is what Mark's trying to get clarified.

And then, there's the definitions of those terms! Yikes! If you take on that topic, good luck, moderators! :)
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Thank you for understanding my point Dave....i guess we will see what Chris says tomorrow as i will be calling him first thing as i have been asked by a mod to present proof from Chris of this knife being a "custom".

I removed the knife in question from the for sale section here as the sale is not a big deal to me....but i will admit that i am confused about the profiling here.

As far as i can see no one has giving a solid definition of "custom"...only there personal interpretations.
 
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