Customs Says "NO EXTENSION!" - They Want Your Pocket Knives NOW!

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I have trouble justifying the extra electricity it takes to send an email to either Boxer or Feinstein. Those two seem to epitomize what's wrong with CA. Probably the wrong attitude, but I don't foresee either as being helpful with this issue.
 
What else can I do in the People's Republic of California? I have to do something. Someone promise to bury me with my knives when I die.
 
ras said:
I have trouble justifying the extra electricity it takes to send an email to either Boxer or Feinstein. Those two seem to epitomize what's wrong with CA. Probably the wrong attitude, but I don't foresee either as being helpful with this issue.
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They're both serious gun haters. DiFi favors an Oz style ban, although she
personally packed for years when in SF. Don't expect much help-----
 
You california cats crack me up.

At least you guys can have autos if they are small, which is more than what can be said for the last two states Ive lived in (texas, tennessee);

PS explain to me how this is at all a gun issue.
 
p mcmanus,
I rarely post, but it is obvious to me. If they can ban one (or any weapon) they can ban others (or all). If you think they will stop when all we have is single shot rifles, you are wrong. I live near Gifford Pinchott National Forest. 10 years ago (or so) they started closing roads for various reasons. Now they are working hard to close all roads not paved. Deer hunting is all but gone because you can not get off of paved highways. Quads, etc are virtually outlawed. Can not go off road, can not drive on highways.
So this whole thing is about controlling our lives and removing our freedoms that do not fit with someone elses ideals. I have a whole buch of in-laws that I simple can not carry on a conversation with. Why would anyone every need a gun or knife? Etc. Etc.
 
timcsaw said:
Second amendment issue perhaps.?.?
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I havent seen a single good argument for this.

Personally, I feel that pocket knives are not arms (or weapons) and therefore are not subject to the same protections of the second amendment. In fact, I am quite offended that they are being treated as such (yes, my support for this cause is to keep my tools from being considered weapons, not to protect my weapons) by CBP.

What feature does a pocket knife, even an automatic or assisted opener, have that makes it primarily a weapon? Because with the exception of out the front autos (which are usually dagger style blades) I havent seen very many knives that would not be excellent for opening a package or cutting an apple at work or freeing yourself from a seatbelt. Personally, I see "hard use" knives like emerson and zero tolerance and microtech as being knives that wont let you down and not weapons that wont let you down.

I used to think tantos were only for self defense until I met someone who carried one for edc and he basically proved me as wrong as one can be.

Lets look at some things that are actually weapons (ie things without a predominately utilitarian use):

gun: hunting is not utilitarian. if you want to hunt thats 100% cool but its a sport now and not your liveliehood
asp: what can you do except beat people with it?
mace: I dont think you are using it on your chicken
13" dagger: its a little hard to eat your steak with this style of blade

a pocket knife; almost any type of pocket knife, is a last ditch self defense tool. but so is a pen, a long car key or a flashlight, and all of those, like knives, were made to legal things that hurt nobody.

Im not trying to make ths "ban all weapons" because I dont believe that, I just want to differentiate a pocket knife from an arm.
 
Bonescraper said:
Knives are arms, and are also weapons. This is our 2nd amendment.
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the issue here is that they are trying to use the whole "weapon" classification of them to help gain support to ban them, to gain support for our cause from "anti weapon" people we need to show that they are not used as weapons 99% of the time.

-matt
 
p_mcmanis said:
PS explain to me how this is at all a gun issue.
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It isn't per se a gun issue. But it does join a trend by agencies where they decide unilaterally whether an object may be imported, based on the agency's idea of what constitutes a weapon.

For example, firearms have to meet certain requirements based on the features they have. As if those agencies have any real idea what the American public wants or needs. Hence the "sporting use" baloney imposed by the agency in the case of firearms. It wants to keep us "safe" from those horrible imported, dangerous firearms.

Just so with knives. The agency looks at a knife and decides whether the features it possesses makes it more or less "weapon-like"..... but when did it become generally illegal for Americans to buy or possess weapons?

And, did we Americans vote these agencies into being, or have any say in the regulations they pass on such issues?

Nope. At least, not directly.

Food for thought, IMO.

Andy
 
Andrew Colglazier said:
It isn't per se a gun issue. But it does join a trend by agencies where they decide unilaterally whether an object may be imported, based on the agency's idea of what constitutes a weapon.

For example, firearms have to meet certain requirements based on the features they have. As if those agencies have any real idea what the American public wants or needs. Hence the "sporting use" baloney imposed by the agency in the case of firearms. It wants to keep us "safe" from those horrible imported, dangerous firearms.

Just so with knives. The agency looks at a knife and decides whether the features it possesses makes it more or less "weapon-like"..... but when did it become generally illegal for Americans to buy or possess weapons?

And, did we Americans vote these agencies into being, or have any say in the regulations they pass on such issues?

Nope. At least, not directly.

Food for thought, IMO.

Andy
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So if I add a flash suppressor and a bayonet lug to my Case Peanut, is it an "assault peanut"?;):D
 
Andrew Colglazier said:
It isn't per se a gun issue. But it does join a trend by agencies where they decide unilaterally whether an object may be imported, based on the agency's idea of what constitutes a weapon.

For example, firearms have to meet certain requirements based on the features they have. As if those agencies have any real idea what the American public wants or needs. Hence the "sporting use" baloney imposed by the agency in the case of firearms. It wants to keep us "safe" from those horrible imported, dangerous firearms.

Just so with knives. The agency looks at a knife and decides whether the features it possesses makes it more or less "weapon-like"..... but when did it become generally illegal for Americans to buy or possess weapons?

And, did we Americans vote these agencies into being, or have any say in the regulations they pass on such issues?

Nope. At least, not directly.

Food for thought, IMO.

Andy
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Interesting thoughts though I have a few points myself.

In this case its not deciding that assisted openers are weapons, it is deciding if they meet the defition of a banned item. I think they they have adequate constitutional jurisdiction to decide whether an item is a switchblade or not, however I disagree with them that assisted or release opening knives fit that defintion.

As for voting for the people in these agencies, I think you need to take some history into perspective. The 17th amendment (direct election of senators) is was the single most important peice of the puzzle in centralizing the power of the american "government" along with the 16th and the 14th. I dont think us having a lot of control over them would be very good for anyone. We elect a president, who hopefully is a person of very high intelligence and forsight, and allow him to pick high ranking members of agencies and the rest are civil servants.

civil servants are lovely, non partisan, hard working people just like all of us. Just thought I would add that.
 
p_mcmanis said:
civil servants are lovely, non partisan, hard working people just like all of us. Just thought I would add that.
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lmao:D

btw, on the dangers of these weapons, had a Soldier tell me it was disturbing that I was using a knife to cut a piece of acetate for an overlay.

a Case baby butterbean.

a Valentine's edition, with hearts on the scales (gift from my g/f, he said it was disturbing before he saw them ;)) He then said that putting a nuclear bomb in a Hello Kitty lunchbox would not make it less dangerous.

I can see now just how dangerous AOs are to the world.:eek:
 
p_mcmanis said:
Interesting thoughts though I have a few points myself.

In this case its not deciding that assisted openers are weapons, it is deciding if they meet the defition of a banned item.
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Yes... deciding if they (AOs) meet the definition of a banned item (a switchblade)... WHICH IS BANNED BECAUSE IT (a switchblade) IS CONSIDERED A WEAPON.

Not rocket science.;)

Sheesh....:rolleyes:
 
PS explain to me how this is at all a gun issue.[/QUOTE]

It is a weapons issue. Look to the UK for the model; first handguns, then
long guns, folding knives, kitchen knives and finally anything that can be
construed as a weapon.

All brought to you by the lovely, hardworking civil servants you hold in
such high regard.
 
Friends: 1. No other country has the equivalent of our 2nd Amendment. We must passionately, but lawfully, fight to hold on to what it stands for. It doesn't stand for "guns". It stands for the right to bear arms...why....for self preservation, not hunting, not target shooting, not sporting clays.
2. What makes us Americans in large part, is the longing to be free; free to protect our families; free to hunt; free to target shoot; and even free to lawfully carry pocket knives.
3. For some reason, there are politicians who are constantly passing laws, rules & ordinances to limit our freedoms. They think they know better than the rest of us.

There it is....in a nutshell.
 
This is not meant to offend the women on this forum, but I think we're seeing the 'feminization' (sp?) of the USA.
There's an overwhelming agenda (perhaps not a conspiracy) to make us all 'nicer'.
Some schools have banned dodgeball as too violent!..same with tag and most sports/fun that young boys enjoy.
PC and 'soccer-mom' go hand in hand.
They all know that most jobs a guy uses a knife for could be 'nicer' done with a pair of round-tip scissors.

Just my $.02.

PS- That 'soldier' that was disturbed/scared by a butterbean?
Was he/she also the type that brought their teddy-bears to the Gulf War!??
Christ!!- what happened to bayonet training??!! :barf:
 
p_mcmanis said:
I havent seen a single good argument for this.

Personally, I feel that pocket knives are not arms (or weapons) and therefore are not subject to the same protections of the second amendment. In fact, I am quite offended that they are being treated as such (yes, my support for this cause is to keep my tools from being considered weapons, not to protect my weapons) by CBP.

What feature does a pocket knife, even an automatic or assisted opener, have that makes it primarily a weapon? Because with the exception of out the front autos (which are usually dagger style blades) I havent seen very many knives that would not be excellent for opening a package or cutting an apple at work or freeing yourself from a seatbelt. Personally, I see "hard use" knives like emerson and zero tolerance and microtech as being knives that wont let you down and not weapons that wont let you down.

I used to think tantos were only for self defense until I met someone who carried one for edc and he basically proved me as wrong as one can be.

Lets look at some things that are actually weapons (ie things without a predominately utilitarian use):

gun: hunting is not utilitarian. if you want to hunt thats 100% cool but its a sport now and not your liveliehood
asp: what can you do except beat people with it?
mace: I dont think you are using it on your chicken
13" dagger: its a little hard to eat your steak with this style of blade

a pocket knife; almost any type of pocket knife, is a last ditch self defense tool. but so is a pen, a long car key or a flashlight, and all of those, like knives, were made to legal things that hurt nobody.

Im not trying to make ths "ban all weapons" because I dont believe that, I just want to differentiate a pocket knife from an arm.
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To me, the 2nd Amend. acknowledges my right to anything I classify as a weapon (arm). The 2nd is about defense, so whether it's a gun, a knife, or a Louisville Slugger, if I have to use it for defense, the 2nd covers it.
Almost every state constitution has a "lethal-force for self defense" clause, and they don't say what weapon you must use in that defense.
 
flashlife said:
This is not meant to offend the women on this forum, but I think we're seeing the 'feminization' (sp?) of the USA.
There's an overwhelming agenda (perhaps not a conspiracy) to make us all 'nicer'.
Some schools have banned dodgeball as too violent!..same with tag and most sports/fun that young boys enjoy.
PC and 'soccer-mom' go hand in hand.
They all know that most jobs a guy uses a knife for could be 'nicer' done with a pair of round-tip scissors.
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Hmm well maybe. But I just got out of public education 3 years ago (in florida, mass, and texas) and in none of those places did I notice that. I heard stories all the time (I used to be a rabid radio listener during the early part of high school), and while I can only speak for myself, I was never discouraged from being a boy. I played dodgeball and tag in earlier school and basketball and the like in high school.

Additionally, I think you are making a mistake by equating masculine with aggressive.

Maybe it more of a midwest or west coast thing? The word "soccer mom", whether this is fair or not, always brings to mind the mid west types. Well the nicest way I can put this is I greatly prefer the way things are done on the east coast.

flashlife said:
Just my $.02.

PS- That 'soldier' that was disturbed/scared by a butterbean?
Was he/she also the type that brought their teddy-bears to the Gulf War!??
Christ!!- what happened to bayonet training??!! :barf:
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While I am making assumptions about your background, I would be willing to be that solider is much tougher than you.

Soliders are unbelievably tough guys and gals.
 
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