Customs Says "NO EXTENSION!" - They Want Your Pocket Knives NOW!

[Critter]

Absolutly right. We (all) need to keep hammaring away at our reps and the media... pound them with email and paper, fax 'em if you got 'em!

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If I'm correct, today is the day the new "interpretation" by CBP went into effect. So as of today, an AO is a "switchblade".
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Not exactly, as the commercial goes. NO, today is NOT the day it goes into effect. Tomorrow, the 21st, is the end of the comment period. Customs will be forced to accept comments until COB on Monday due to the end date being on Sunday. Because of their reluctance to admit this is required, we have not counted on it.

Once the comment period is closed, they have 30 days to do something. That can be to make a final rule, open the proposal for comment again with or without changes or kill the proposal entirely. Clearly, we would prefer the latter, but nobody is betting on that. OTOH, the boxes and boxes of letters they are receiving and the Congressional attention this is drawing may actually be making some sort of impression. We won't know until they issue something. If they issue a final rule, then it becomes effective 90 days later. If that happens, you can expect that there will be legal challenges that could potentially delay enforcment (this is a really expensiven option, however), as well as legislative solutions being pursued.

Meanwhile, we are working with Congress on legislative solutions NOW and I hope to have some announcements in this regard early next week. Of course, those can take time to have effect and may or may not actually end up being passed. I can assure you that all those emails and letters to Congress are having an effect, as is the support of NRA and other major constituent groups who have brought this issue to their attention. You can expect to be asked to write again, once these legislative intiativs begin in earnest.

Thanks for everyone's support.

 

[A. G. Russell]

Absolutly right. We (all) need to keep hammaring away at our reps and the media... pound them with email and paper, fax 'em if you got 'em!

We all know where the problem came from, but we must unite to figure out how to solve the problem.

If I'm correct, today is the day the new "interpretation" by CBP went into effect. So as of today, an AO is a "switchblade".

By the way saucycountrygirl... WELCOME to the forums!!!:thumbup::thumbup:

No, no we have an whole month before that happens, we also have 50 count them 50 law makers who stand opposed and who have told customs so.

50 is wonderful but we need way more than that. I will post their names aaap, meantime keep calling your congress person, get their assistant and explain, email them all the information and get a pledge of support.

 

[timcsaw]

Not exactly, as the commercial goes. NO, today is NOT the day it goes into effect. Tomorrow, the 21st, is the end of the comment period. Customs will be forced to accept comments until COB on Monday due to the end date being on Sunday. Because of their reluctance to admit this is required, we have not counted on it.

Once the comment period is closed, they have 30 days to do something. That can be to make a final rule, open the proposal for comment again with or without changes or kill the proposal entirely. Clearly, we would prefer the latter, but nobody is betting on that. OTOH, the boxes and boxes of letters they are receiving and the Congressional attention this is drawing may actually be making some sort of impression. We won't know until they issue something. If they issue a final rule, then it becomes effective 90 days later. If that happens, you can expect that there will be legal challenges that could potentially delay enforcment (this is a really expensiven option, however), as well as legislative solutions being pursued.

Meanwhile, we are working with Congress on legislative solutions NOW and I hope to have some announcements in this regard early next week. Of course, those can take time to have effect and may or may not actually end up being passed. I can assure you that all those emails and letters to Congress are having an effect, as is the support of NRA and other major constituent groups who have brought this issue to their attention. You can expect to be asked to write again, once these legislative intiativs begin in earnest.

Thanks for everyone's support.

No, no we have an whole month before that happens, we also have 50 count them 50 law makers who stand opposed and who have told customs so.

50 is wonderful but we need way more than that. I will post their names aaap, meantime keep calling your congress person, get their assistant and explain, email them all the information and get a pledge of support.

This is great news!...

Thanks to both of you gents for correcting my mistake.

I have pen in hand, ready to write!:thumbup:

 

[buffscales]

AJ and Others.... Hang in there. We are all doing are part, and I'm hearing from my conservative representatives that we are making a big wave with our responses.
If and when the opportunity presents itself, someone needs to have video of a standard everyday Buck 110 being opened one-handed by holding the spine of the blade and flicking the handle downwords. This is one of the knives not part of the intended ban, yet almost every knife (except stiff slippy's) can be opened in this manner. Its not real safe to do it that way, but in a jam, I do it all the time. I sent out dozens of letters and emails and will send more when called upon in the coming months. Teamwork !!!

 

[A. G. Russell]

AJ and Others.... Hang in there. We are all doing are part, and I'm hearing from my conservative representatives that we are making a big wave with our responses.
If and when the opportunity presents itself, someone needs to have video of a standard everyday Buck 110 being opened one-handed by holding the spine of the blade and flicking the handle downwords. This is one of the knives not part of the intended ban, yet almost every knife (except stiff slippy's) can be opened in this manner. Its not real safe to do it that way, but in a jam, I do it all the time. I sent out dozens of letters and emails and will send more when called upon in the coming months. Teamwork !!!

Sorry to tell you that the Buck 110 is absolutly one of those being banned. Just because it can be opened that way. A. G.

 

[stabman]

Sorry to tell you that the Buck 110 is absolutly one of those being banned. Just because it can be opened that way. A. G.

That's horrible.
I mean, it isn't close to resembling the function of a switchblade by any stretch of even a diseased imagination.:thumbdn:

 

[pppiggg]

I am glad that our writing to our representives does make a little help to stopp this non-sense. Keep writing guys...!

 

[realitycheck]

I thought today was the last day? ???????

 

[A. G. Russell]

I thought today was the last day? ???????

Tomorrow was the last day for them to recieve messages That did not matter because they had already reached a decision.

You still have time to reach out to your Congress persons Write, the letter suggested by the AKTI including the 63 page ruling of Customs and after a day or so call the office and talk to the assistant. ask if they read the ruling and are they going to help? this will tell you who to vote for in 17 months.

 

[Critter]

Just a quick update this Monday morning on the latest news regarding Customs' Pocket Knife Grab.

National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) submitted Comments opposing CBP proposal on behalf of the NRA's nearly 4 million members "most of whom carry at least one pocket knife on a regular basis," and requesting "the ruling reversal be abandoned."

Read their letter here: http://bit.ly/tyUA4

Congressional Sportsmen's Caucus has urged U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to withdraw CBP Proposal.

Read their media release here: http://bit.ly/rhqh1

We expect more news from groups opposing this Customs proposal later today. Start following us on Twitter to get news as soon as we have it: http://twitter.com/KnifeRights

What Next?

There does seem to be some confusion, based on emails we have received and posts on various online forums, as to what happens next. So, just to clear up any questions, this proposal does NOT now take effect.

The comment period has ended. CBP now has 30 days to do something and there are a number of possibilities. 1) They can issue a final rule which may or may not be exactly the same as the proposal (they can make revisions based on comments received), 2) They can open the proposal for comment again with or without changes, or 3) They can kill the proposal entirely. Clearly, we would prefer the latter, but nobody is betting on that.

If they issue a final rule, then it becomes effective 90 days later. If that happens, you can expect that there will be legal challenges that could potentially delay enforcement, as well as legislative solutions being pursued. This is only the end of the first round. Lot's more to happen.

In the meantime, we are working with Congress on legislative solutions NOW and I hope to have some announcements in this regard this week. Of course, those can take time to have effect and may or may not actually end up being passed. I can assure you that all those emails and letters to Congress are having an effect, as is the support of NRA and other major constituent groups who have brought this issue to their attention. You can expect to be asked to write again on these specific legislative initiatives once that begins in earnest.

More letters to your Members of Congress cannot hurt. Just be sure to make them personal and be polite. A sample letter is still available on Knife Rights here: http://bit.ly/CtALi

Some of you opposing this CBP proposal have chosen to send copies of Knife Rights' Comments Letter along to your Members of Congress in an attempt to educate those who may not be seeing the big picture. If that's something you'd like to do, our letter can be found here: http://bit.ly/1NqNYi

You may want to review our Communicating with Congress page before writing or to find your Members of Congress here: http://bit.ly/QYkFz

Thanks again to everyone who has written and for your support of Knife Rights in this critical fight.

 

[nordicman2]

I would also like to point out that the culture of this country is changing. If the majority of people want guns and knives to go away, you just have to accept it. You arent gauranteed your views being the way things are. If things get to the point where the second amendment is repealed then you will have to give your guns up whether you like it or not, this is your duty as a citizen of this country..

Sir, I am afraid you have been very misinformed about the History of the United States and the Bill Of Rights. The Bill of Rights does not GIVE rights to ANYONE. It was written as a statement of the rights the Founders considered “natural” or “inalienable” to all humans. In other words it was written to PROTECT RIGHTS ALREADY GIVEN BY GOD, PROVIDENCE, NATURE, FATE, EVOLUTION, whatever you believe in, that GOVERNMENT HAD NO RIGHT OR TRUE AUTHORITY TO RECIND! Any government that tried was considered “tyrannical“.

So, it is no man’s duty to unquestioningly accept the rescinding of the 2nd Amendment than it would be to accept the rescinding of the 1st Amendment. These are rights all mankind HAS BECAUSE THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS. No government has the power to justly give nor take them away.

The Declaration of the Independence states that “Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

In other words, should the government tread on our inalienable rights (as expressed in the Bill of Rights) then we, as men, have not just the right, BUT THE RESPONSIBILITY, to break with that government and disobey it. Because, by treading on our inalienable rights, the government has proven itself a tyranny and therefore a false and unjust form of government before God/Nature/Natural Law, etc.

 

[SPXTrader]

Sir, I am afraid you have been very misinformed about the History of the United States and the Bill Of Rights. The Bill of Rights does not GIVE rights to ANYONE. It was written as a statement of the rights the Founders considered “natural” or “inalienable” to all humans. In other words it was written to PROTECT RIGHTS ALREADY GIVEN BY GOD, PROVIDENCE, NATURE, FATE, EVOLUTION, whatever you believe in, that GOVERNMENT HAD NO RIGHT OR TRUE AUTHORITY TO RECIND! Any government that tried was considered “tyrannical“.

So, it is no man’s duty to unquestioningly accept the rescinding of the 2nd Amendment than it would be to accept the rescinding of the 1st Amendment. These are rights all mankind HAS BECAUSE THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS. No government has the power to justly give nor take them away.

The Declaration of the Independence states that “Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

In other words, should the government tread on our inalienable rights (as expressed in the Bill of Rights) then we, as men, have not just the right, BUT THE RESPONSIBILITY, to break with that government and disobey it. Because, by treading on our inalienable rights, the government has proven itself a tyranny and therefore a false and unjust form of government before God/Nature/Natural Law, etc.

Very nice first post! Welcome, and stick around. :thumbup:

 

[RussMo]

Sir, I am afraid you have been very misinformed about the History of the United States and the Bill Of Rights. The Bill of Rights does not GIVE rights to ANYONE. It was written as a statement of the rights the Founders considered “natural” or “inalienable” to all humans. In other words it was written to PROTECT RIGHTS ALREADY GIVEN BY GOD, PROVIDENCE, NATURE, FATE, EVOLUTION, whatever you believe in, that GOVERNMENT HAD NO RIGHT OR TRUE AUTHORITY TO RECIND! Any government that tried was considered “tyrannical“.

So, it is no man’s duty to unquestioningly accept the rescinding of the 2nd Amendment than it would be to accept the rescinding of the 1st Amendment. These are rights all mankind HAS BECAUSE THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS. No government has the power to justly give nor take them away.

The Declaration of the Independence states that “Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

In other words, should the government tread on our inalienable rights (as expressed in the Bill of Rights) then we, as men, have not just the right, BUT THE RESPONSIBILITY, to break with that government and disobey it. Because, by treading on our inalienable rights, the government has proven itself a tyranny and therefore a false and unjust form of government before God/Nature/Natural Law, etc.

nordicman2-

You sir are a fine AMERICAN. That has to be one of the best writtings of FACTS that I've seen in along time.

Thank you very much!!!

Russ

 

[Bastid]

There were enough warnings.

Yes it was a fine first post, but it does not belong in the knife discussion forum.


This is not the political forum. This is a thread about a subject that we can take actions on.

Those of you who think this forum is going to be open to political discussion better think again.

 

[riz_aaroni]

Agreed, very good post, just too political. All true though.

 

[5.56]

Sir, I am afraid you have been very misinformed about the History of the United States and the Bill Of Rights. The Bill of Rights does not GIVE rights to ANYONE. It was written as a statement of the rights the Founders considered “natural” or “inalienable” to all humans. In other words it was written to PROTECT RIGHTS ALREADY GIVEN BY GOD, PROVIDENCE, NATURE, FATE, EVOLUTION, whatever you believe in, that GOVERNMENT HAD NO RIGHT OR TRUE AUTHORITY TO RECIND! Any government that tried was considered “tyrannical“.

So, it is no man’s duty to unquestioningly accept the rescinding of the 2nd Amendment than it would be to accept the rescinding of the 1st Amendment. These are rights all mankind HAS BECAUSE THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS. No government has the power to justly give nor take them away.

The Declaration of the Independence states that “Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

In other words, should the government tread on our inalienable rights (as expressed in the Bill of Rights) then we, as men, have not just the right, BUT THE RESPONSIBILITY, to break with that government and disobey it. Because, by treading on our inalienable rights, the government has proven itself a tyranny and therefore a false and unjust form of government before God/Nature/Natural Law, etc.

Well put, welcome aboard!:thumbup:

 

[nordicman2]

There were enough warnings.

Yes it was a fine first post, but it does not belong in the knife discussion forum.


This is not the political forum. This is a thread about a subject that we can take actions on.

Those of you who think this forum is going to be open to political discussion better think again.

I sincerely apologize for breaking any rules.

But I saw NO SUCH WARNINGS on any page I read before posting.

Might I suggest that there may be some clearer warning on PAGE ONE (1) OF this THREAD as to what constitutes “Politics” and that it is to be avoided, so novices like me won't miss it. Especially since the subject of this thread is fundamentally political anyway.

A majority of the comments I read in the first 3 pages seemed political in some way and yet tolerated (including the comment I replied to). Mine however was sanctioned in a threatening tone.

I do not find that very welcoming.

But I do see your point. There DOES need to be a place for purely factual communications about the pending U.S. Customs measure. Seeking such information is exactly what lead me here from an A. G. Russell email in the first place.

I just think you might want to work a little bit on your approach in making it that way. Biting off the heads of newcomers is not a good way to grow and rally support. Clear, concise instructions on the first page, however, might be.

 

[futant]

There were enough warnings.

Yes it was a fine first post, but it does not belong in the knife discussion forum.


This is not the political forum. This is a thread about a subject that we can take actions on.

Those of you who think this forum is going to be open to political discussion better think again.

Don't you think that it might be imperative for those "taking action" on this to be completely up-to-speed and aware of the issues at hand?
Nordic's post was a concise summary of the core that should be fueling our actions in this.
It's extremely pertinent and important to this discussion.
Isn't this whole thread a call for action on a political level?

 

[mmarkh]

I sincerely apologize for breaking any rules.

But I saw NO SUCH WARNINGS on any page I read before posting. Might I suggest that there may be some clearer warning on PAGE ONE (1) OF this THREAD as to what constitutes “Politics” and that it is to be avoided, so novices like me won't miss it. Especially since the subject of this thread is fundamentally political anyway.

A majority of the comments I read in the first 3 pages seemed political in some way and yet tolerated (including the comment I replied to). Mine however was sanctioned in a threatening tone.

I do not find that very welcoming.

But I do see your point. There DOES need to be a place for purely factual communications about the pending U.S. Customs measure. Seeking such information is exactly what lead me here from an A. G. Russell email in the first place.

I just think you might want to work a little bit on your approach in making it that way. Biting off the heads of newcomers is not a good way to grow and rally support. Clear, concise instructions on the first page, however, might be.

You need to read the "How To" stickie on the rules of posting. I do appreciate your opinions though.

 

[nordicman2]

Thank you, futant.

That was my intention.

Like it or not, this IS, sadly, a political fight, and we need to know what we are defending and be able to do so knowledgeably and literately. Just wanted to set forth a sample argument. Use it as you wish. Sorry if I muddied the tactical waters doing so.