Cutco cutlery

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I am planning on getting a job at vector marketing to earn some money during college and the main product of sale there is cutco cutlery it is kitchen knives mostly and was wandering if they were decent knives and can i really sell it to people without lying about its quality thank you.
 

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They are ok quality being sold at rip off prices. The company is a scam. Why would you work for a company that makes you BUY your own knives to demo. They also make you list all your family and friends and encourage you to target them and sell them the crap.
 

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I am planning on getting a job at vector marketing to earn some money during college and the main product of sale there is cutco cutlery it is kitchen knives mostly and was wandering if they were decent knives and can i really sell it to people without lying about its quality thank you.
they make you go door to door trying to sell people stuff i think. i think you might want to find a different job.
 

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Hey there,

Be careful. They almost suckered me last week! I'm very lucky that I brought it up that "I have a job interview in a couple hours" to my friends, and they watched out for me. Vector had called me just an hour before and scheduled the interview for a couple hours later... I canceled the interview right after my friends informed me.

The interview will be a group interview. Most of the people there will get hired. You will then attend 3 days of unpayed training, where they will teach you to read off a script to sell overpriced knives. You'll make a list of your friends and family and their phone numbers. It'll sound like an activity, but these are actually the people you will be selling to. Basically, they want to get 900-1200 from your immediate family (they'll assume your immediate family will give in just to help you with your new job) and hope to leech some off of your other family. This is exactly why they target incoming college students.

You'll have to make appointments to go to peoples' homes and tell them about the knives and try to sell to them. Vector pays nothing to help you, including gas nor phone time. Under vector, you are an "independent contractor," so they don't pay anything as a business expense for you.

Just a warning. I recommend you read this (all of it; I did):
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=13862

It's amazing how aggressive the vector lovers become in these threads. You can be sure that they were paid by vector.

Please check these video documentary-ish youtube clips, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM7imWQ5O30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oflS3VDr8Ew

And this is how to cancel your interview (I did essentially the same thing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFbQdDx8RUo

Just looking out for you, my fellow knifeknut.
 
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Hey there,

Be careful. They almost suckered me last week! I'm very lucky that I brought it up that "I have a job interview in a couple hours" to my friends, and they watched out for me. Vector had called me just an hour before and scheduled the interview for a couple hours later... I canceled the interview right after my friends informed me.

The interview will be a group interview. Most of the people there will get hired. You will then attend 3 days of unpayed training, where they will teach you to read off a script to sell overpriced knives. You'll make a list of your friends and family and their phone numbers. It'll sound like an activity, but these are actually the people you will be selling to. Basically, they want to get 900-1200 from your immediate family (they'll assume your immediate family will give in just to help you with your new job) and hope to leech some off of your other family. This is exactly why they target incoming college students.

You'll have to make appointments to go to peoples' homes and tell them about the knives and try to sell to them. Vector pays nothing to help you, including gas nor phone time. Under vector, you are an "independent contractor," so they don't pay anything as a business expense for you.

Just a warning. I recommend you read this (all of it; I did):
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=13862

It's amazing how aggressive the vector lovers become in these threads. You can be sure that they were paid by vector.

Please check these video documentary-ish youtube clips, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM7imWQ5O30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oflS3VDr8Ew

And this is how to cancel your interview (I did essentially the same thing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFbQdDx8RUo

Just looking out for you, my fellow knifeknut.

thanks for letting me know i was a bit skeptic about it but when i heard how they nickel and dime there own reps thanks alot ill be sure to cancel my interview
 
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Their knives are mediocre, and their selling tactics suck.

I looked into selling Cutco back in the early 1990's. A roommate of mine warned me, told me what to look out for, and said call him after my interview. (He had interviewed with them sometime before.)

Sure enough, EVERYTHING he told me about, happened in the interview. It was scary - right down to how they scam you into giving them all of your family & friends' contact info. (I didn't give them anything - my roommate had warned me not to.)

When he went through the interview, he did what they asked, gave the info, but didn't hire on with them. He found out later that the guy that interviewed the group had been calling his (my roommate's) family and friends for several days, saying my roommate referred him (the interviewer) to them; apparently, he figured that since my roommate didn't hire on, he'd try to make some money off the contact list. My roommate was livid. He talked to his father, who was a cop with the Seattle PD. I don't know what they did, but whatever it was, the phonecalls stopped that day.

There are too many good jobs out there, even with where the economy is at right now. Stay away from these guys.
 

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thanks for letting me know i was a bit skeptic about it but when i heard how they nickel and dime there own reps thanks alot ill be sure to cancel my interview

I was actually referred by my friend. He gave them my name and number; that's how they contacted me.

I've still gotta get him out of there; I haven't talked with him for a couple weeks. Once I do, I'll let you know what he thinks of it (I'm not sure if he has actually done it yet, or is planning to; pretty sure he has done or is in it since they got my number, though).

When he went through the interview, he did what they asked, gave the info, but didn't hire on with them. He found out later that the guy that interviewed the group had been calling his (my roommate's) family and friends for several days, saying my roommate referred him (the interviewer) to them

Bummer; well there's my answer.
 
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I drove by the Ka-bar factory in Olean, NY last year and was shocked to learn that a once venerable American knife company had been subsumed into the multi-level marketing scam -- er -- scheme of Cutco. And there were no factory tours.

The Cutco knives are terribly over priced and rely on serrations to cut anything. A step above those miracle knives advertised on TV late at night? Probably not.

Joe
 
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A friend of my wife's tried selling them a couple years ago. Told me they were made out of one of the world's absolute best blade steels, 440A! The quality of this steel was a large part of the reason they are so expensive.

She also said they were hardened to exactly HRC 56, so they were guaranteed to keep an edge for up to 10 years. Anything harder than 56 and you can't sharpen it. Anything softer, and it's so brittle it will break under use.

I roll my eyes at that bunch of bull.
 

THG

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Yep, I heard the same thing - 440A steel. What a bunch of bull. If not scammers to their own reps, then scammers to the customers.
 
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A friend of my wife's tried selling them a couple years ago. Told me they were made out of one of the world's absolute best blade steels, 440A! The quality of this steel was a large part of the reason they are so expensive.

She also said they were hardened to exactly HRC 56, so they were guaranteed to keep an edge for up to 10 years. Anything harder than 56 and you can't sharpen it. Anything softer, and it's so brittle it will break under use.

I roll my eyes at that bunch of bull.

Oh god. Modern Vacuum Cleaner salesmen!


As a general rule, just about any job you have to pay a fee upon hiring is a scam. I can't tell you how many job interviews I walked out of right after I moved to this area about 2/3's of the way in, when the hard-sell started.

There are a LOT of these types of pyramid schemers in my area.
 
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I've heard about "pyramid schemes." What exactly are they/how do they work?

GREED. Gordon Gecko was wrong. Greed ain't good.

My take on it is that they're like AmWay. (Remember, my last and only interaction with CutCo was 17 years ago. Take this for what it's worth.)

You sell product, then recruit others to sell as well. You get a return/small dividend on what they sell. (Basically, you develop a sales force for the company.) The folks you recruited, in turn, recruit others, then get a return/small dividend from their recruits, and, supposedly, so do you. It's usually presented as an "exponential growth" opportunity. I still hear stories of people getting "huge" checks from the work of people they recruited years ago. It's all a bunch of bull.

IMHO, when you have to "hard-sell" a product just to make a living, something's wrong. I made the mistake of going to a Pampered Chef party with my wife recently. The lady running the show found out I was a professional cook in a past life, and pestered me for days trying to get me to join up. EVERYTHING I said was turned around right back to how Pampered Chef would work for me. The whole thing almost made me nauseous.

The best way to defeat any of these scams today is knowledge. With the internet, you can find out anything pretty quickly.

I'm immune to any and all sales pitches. I hate 'em. I'm rude; I do whatever it takes to get 'em to leave me alone. Companies like AmWay (I know people who tired it), CutCo (I interviewed, had a roommate who knew what was up), car salesmen (I go in loaded for bear. I've been asked to leave car dealerships more than once), and especially religious evangelicals (I read the bible, a LOT) hate me.

thx - cpr
 
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hi,my name is northen 1 and one time,when i was at the mall as a teenager {am now 28} i ran into a Cutco scumbag {salesmen}.

i wasnt interested in anything he had except he did have one hunting/outdooors type of knife.

i'm not sure if he drugged me but somehow i ended up paying almost $50.00 for that piece of trash.

the scumbag {salesman} told me that free sharpening for life came with the purchase and that they come to your house to do the sharpening..ha,ha,ha....lol!!!!!

well for turds and giggles i called the number from his sales card to see if he would come and sharpen my knife.he never answered the phone.

even as kid i never fell for this crap.i dont know what came over me.again,i think i was slipped roofee or something.

i still have that piece of stainless trash and have never even used it.matter of fact i think i am going to do a noss style beat down on it this weekend.maybe tape the whole thing and post the results all over the place.

now i know why my dad was laughing when i brought it home all proud.

cutco is the kirby vacumes of knives.

its a disgrace that a company like ka-bar is made in the same town as cutco in olean,ny about 1 hour from my house.
 
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Cutco/Vector Marketing ISN'T a pyramid scheme and it isn't a scam, at least not in the way some are implying above. Overpriced? You betcha. Shoddy quality? I won't fight you on that. But a pyramid scheme? No, not in any rational understanding of the term. Hate Cutco and Vector Marketing and their sales techniques all you want, but do so on the basis of their knives, not on the basis of some half-baked allegations that don't hold water.
 
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its nothing illegal imho but it is a scam both for the buyer and the seller, imho both are being "scammed" the buyer by buying crap and the seller by cutco because the seller isnt gonna make any $$, but lotsa folks still fall for it (buyers & sellers lol).

when i was a kid rainbow vaccuums did the same thing, i know a couple of folks who got involved in that, IIRC it was ~ a $1000 vaccuum in '70 dollars.
 
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The problem of Cutco is twofold:

1) While they're overpriced, the knives are of okay quality and will serve well in their intended role -- but the folks selling them are never going to make enough money from selling them to make it worth their efforts. I've known several people who fell for this at various times, and they never managed to make any significant money at it, if any money at all. (A cousin of mine gave me the whole Cutco sales pitch and I had to keep correcting him. It was interesting to see how it's intended to work as conveyed by a freshly programmed salesperson, though.)

2) The Cutco marketing and programming of their sales slaves is full of disinformation, if not outright falsehoods. This is why, periodically, Cutco people show up at sites like this one and get eaten for lunch -- because they don't know what the hell they're talking about, and they don't know that they don't know.
 
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From the experience of a drinking budd...an associate of mine and some research to free her from the clutches of CUTCO I see it as a managerial Pyramid Scheme where it costs you more to get out than you can make. If you haven't signed on the dotted line RUN LIKE HELL.
 
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Cutco/Vector Marketing ISN'T a pyramid scheme and it isn't a scam, at least not in the way some are implying above. Overpriced? You betcha. Shoddy quality? I won't fight you on that. But a pyramid scheme? No, not in any rational understanding of the term. Hate Cutco and Vector Marketing and their sales techniques all you want, but do so on the basis of their knives, not on the basis of some half-baked allegations that don't hold water.

Call them 'Bunko Artists', shills, pimps I don't care, they don't want to sell knives they want you to sell knives and convince you to get others to sell knives because the guy at the top of the Pyramid (there's that word again) gets a cut from everybody down the line. A substantial cut if you're on the bottom. The knives are mediocre, the prices are laughable and there 'hiring' technique could get you on a ship to a far eastern port. I got some water for ya Bo.
 

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Cutco/Vector Marketing ISN'T a pyramid scheme and it isn't a scam, at least not in the way some are implying above. Overpriced? You betcha. Shoddy quality? I won't fight you on that. But a pyramid scheme? No, not in any rational understanding of the term. Hate Cutco and Vector Marketing and their sales techniques all you want, but do so on the basis of their knives, not on the basis of some half-baked allegations that don't hold water.

According to this post on this forum, vector has plead guilty to fraud in 3 states:

http://www.scam.com/showpost.php?p=532037&postcount=53

And according to wikipedia, vector has been sued multiple times by AZ's attorney general and an Australian organization. An Oregon court also ordered vector to stop "deceptive recruiting practices."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Marketing#Controversy_and_criticism

And I also read somewhere that half of the people working for vector ended up LOSING money while employed.
 
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