Cutco/Kabar outdoorsman. Becker influenced? *update*

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Has anyone seen the Cutco outdoorsman from Kabar? It looks like a good design, but it's a little out of my price range. I would also rather have the 1950co-van not 440a. This knife really looks like it could be a Becker. Does anyone know if there is any Ethan Becker influence in it?


http://www.cutco.com/products/product.jsp?item=cutco-ka-bar-outdoorsman

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I've seen a small shot of it on (I believe) the Kabar chat thread in the Kabar forum. I agree, both about the unfortunate choice of steel and the fact it looks 'beckerish'. The handle almost looks tweener-like and IMO I think the blade shape is really cool. I'd be frothing if it were 1095cv though..
 
Not a damn thing wrong with Cutco/Kabar 440A.

Been around a long time, and Cutco has made a fortune off it.

Is there better? Sure. Will it still cut and hold an edge? Yup.

I would rather have it in 1095CV but my Cutco Explorer in 440A has been my water knife for a while now....


I like em both.

Moose
 
It does look like a very nice knife, not 1095cv, but gives you an alternative steel, without a knife feeling too alien to Becker users!
 
Not a damn thing wrong with Cutco/Kabar 440A.

Been around a long time, and Cutco has made a fortune off it.

Is there better? Sure. Will it still cut and hold an edge? Yup.

I would rather have it in 1095CV but my Cutco Explorer in 440A has been my water knife for a while now....


I like em both.

Moose

Well excuuuuuuse me! Haha, nah I'm just kidding :D:D

I guess having all these super cool Beckers has kind of spoiled me when it comes to blades that aren't made of 1095cv and I never really look at other knives because if this. To be perfectly frank, like I said, I really like the look of it. I think it would make a fine outdoor knife. And knowing now that someone that has WAY more experience with different steels than myself (moose) gives it the thumbs up, well then I'm much more inclined to give it a go.

(Yes I am also aware of the fact that I now sound like one of those kids that think something is crap until one of the cool kids plays with it).
 
No stainless fur me. No thanks. I'll stick to high carbon, rust prone, easy to sharpen steel. I'm no steel expert but I know what I like, and I'm not fond of stainless. Although I have a few that I bought and acquired, I still go for carbon steel esp in my big knives. My tiny folder is stainless and that's fine. In fact it's Cutco so it's prob 440A and I really like it. I looks a little kitcheny from the pics I've seen. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I think old hicks and such are great for camping and modding for bushcraft, but its out of my price range.
 
Well, I don't like the 440a, but that COULD be forgivable for me, because it's made in the USA, and i really like the design.

So why isn't 440a acceptable then? The Flippin price tag! I mean, an msrp of 180-190 probably means a street price of what... 120?

No, I will NOT pay 120 for this knife.

If buck made it in 420hc it would probably cost $60.

Ethan Becker knows the equation imho. He uses high carbon because it performs at a high level for the cost. (that is the impression that I am under from the multiple super steel threads that pop up on here)
440a is a cheap steel that is supposed to be easy to stamp. Not as easy as 420hc, but easy none the less.
So if Ethan Becker made this knife, used 440a, and told us that it was to get it at a marketable price, and sold it for... $60-80 like the rest of his knives, I would consider it as a stainless option.

As it stands? Cutco is a no go unless the come off that price by more than half.
 
Well, I don't like the 440a, but that COULD be forgivable for me, because it's made in the USA, and i really like the design.

So why isn't 440a acceptable then? The Flippin price tag! I mean, an msrp of 180-190 probably means a street price of what... 120?

No, I will NOT pay 120 for this knife.

If buck made it in 420hc it would probably cost $60.

Ethan Becker knows the equation imho. He uses high carbon because it performs at a high level for the cost. (that is the impression that I am under from the multiple super steel threads that pop up on here)
440a is a cheap steel that is supposed to be easy to stamp. Not as easy as 420hc, but easy none the less.
So if Ethan Becker made this knife, used 440a, and told us that it was to get it at a marketable price, and sold it for... $60-80 like the rest of his knives, I would consider it as a stainless option.

As it stands? Cutco is a no go unless the come off that price by more than half.

Bloody hell. I didn't know it cost that much! Nope. No deal. Shame though. The more I looked at it the more I wanted it.
 
Top steep a price for me, especially 440a, knock 1/2 off price tag and perhaps I'd be interested to use as a saltwater area knife
 
I tried my hand at being a Cutco salesperson when I was an unemployed college student. I sucked at it but ended up with a pretty decent demonstration set of kitchen knives. I have used them for years but they don't keep an edge too long and need constant resharpening. I would be hesitant relying on Cutco steel for a hard use outdoors knife.
 
It is overpriced, but this truly would be a forever knife. The design owes a lot to BK&T, but it also hearkens back to the 17th century, when the go-to outdoors man's knife was an over-built kitchen blade with a robust handle. The handle is offset for chopping on a carcass or a cutting board, the tip is swedged for reenforced piercing and sharp penetration, and the spine is substantial for, say, getting through the hip joint of big game. Again, the execution is Becker all the way, especially the pommel, but there is a lot of history and practical experience that goes into a design like this. It's a powerful and venerable knife design that has many examples today, including one of my favorites, Barry Dawson's Border Bowie (moreso in its early incarnations) http://dawson-knives.myshopify.com/products/border-bowie.

Occurs to me also that Cutco's traditional customers are not as knife-savvy and wouldn't be drawn to a blade that requires the same care as a carbon steel blade of the level previous posters indicate as their preference. That level of care, sharpening, oiling, cleaning, is nothing to us, but in camp in, say, the Pacific NW or the deep south, where humidity and constant wet are a concern, this knife will hold up beautifully for the average user, who would be well served by it. I can see having it on my belt getting waist-deep on a canoe trip, carrying out fishing chores at shore, cutting branches for a fire to warm up and dry out, then getting back to camp and having it promptly taken away by Sweetheart for food prep and fire maintenance (she tends the fire better than anyone). None of this would bother our carbon blades, of course, but your average user might be wigged out by the after care required by a carbon blade.

Zieg
 
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I really like the looks of this one, but for the money I could finally get the BK5 and TKC G10 scales for it and my 7 and I will be much happier.
 
Cutco does a pretty incredible heat treat in 440a. I've used and sharpened a Cutco chef knife in 440a for well over a decade. Far longer than any of my other kitchen cutlery. Holds a solid edge for a good long while.

The key is finding them at not what they charge but fleabay prices!
 
It is overpriced, but this truly would be a forever knife. The design owes a lot to BK&T, but it also hearkens back to the 17th century, when the go-to outdoors man's knife was an over-built kitchen blade with a robust handle. The handle is offset for chopping on a carcass or a cutting board, the tip is wedged for reenforced piercing and sharp penetration, and the spine is substantial for, say, getting through the hip joint of big game. Again, the execution is Becker all the way, especially the pommel, but there is a lot of history and practical experience that goes into a design like this. It's a powerful and venerable knife design that has many examples today, including one of my favorites, Barry Dawson's Border Bowie (moreso in its early incarnations) http://dawson-knives.myshopify.com/products/border-bowie.

Occurs to me also that Cutco's traditional customers are not as knife-savvy and wouldn't be drawn to a blade that requires the same care as a carbon steel blade of the level previous posters indicate as their preference. That level of care, sharpening, oiling, cleaning, is nothing to us, but in camp in, say, the Pacific NW or the deep south, where humidity and constant wet are a concern, this knife will hold up beautifully for the average user, who would be well served by it. I can see having it on my belt getting waist-deep on a canoe trip, carrying out fishing chores at shore, cutting branches for a fire to warm up and dry out, then getting back to camp and having it promptly taken away by Sweetheart for food prep and fire maintenance (she tends the fire better than anyone). None of this would bother our carbon blades, of course, but your average user might be wigged out by the after care required by a carbon blade.

Zieg
Some damn expensive blades from that link! I just imagine a collection of Beckers for the price of just one!
 
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