Cutlery Science?

[Gator97]

They do however contain useful information.

That is my point. There is useful info for those who want to read. If you just look at the pictures of broken and badly deformed knives in there, there is no point even going there.

As far as I can tell a lot of his detractors not read or just skim through the reviews missing parts of it and then come accusations of hidden agendas or hidden/obfuscated test data, etc. Yes, his articles are hard to read or even understand sometimes, but same goes for any scientific article, unless you have some knowledge of the subject it'll be difficult to grasp. Hardly a reason to blame the author for the lack of knowledge the reader has.

There's another point to consider, that there is no official cutlery science per se as of today. There's hardly even a specialized steel for knives too.

Cliff was getting his PhD in Material Physics or similar - testing materials to destruction. I don't why you need a PhD for that. I know a couple high-school dropout laborers who will do demolitions

Material Physics isn't same as testing materials to destruction. By definition - Material physics is the use of physics to describe materials. You need PhD for that because it's a science. College dropouts don't do well in manufacturer's car crash tests for example, at least I haven't seen any car maker proudly advertising that their car crash tests are done by college dropouts because you don't need Phd to destroy something.

 

[Kohai999]

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As far as I can tell a lot of his detractors not read or just skim through the reviews missing parts of it and then come accusations of hidden agendas or hidden/obfuscated test data, etc. Yes, his articles are hard to read or even understand sometimes, but same goes for any scientific article, unless you have some knowledge of the subject it'll be difficult to grasp. Hardly a reason to blame the author for the lack of knowledge the reader has.

There's another point to consider, that there is no official cutlery science per se as of today. There's hardly even a specialized steel for knives too.

Believe what you want to believe.

Here is a thread for you, which CLEARLY outlines why Cliff has detractors...and please....READ THE WHOLE THING!!! Also quite humorous is many discussions in that thread had with GATOR68...related?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=476782&highlight=friction+stir+welding

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[Gator97]

Believe what you want to believe.

So do you and just about everyone else.

READ THE WHOLE THING!!! Also quite humorous is many discussions in that thread had with GATOR68...related?

I'll read. Though, there is no need to yell at me and no, I have no idea who the other Gator is, I haven't been around for last 2 years, that thread is dated 2007.

 

[Kohai999]

I'll read. Though, there is no need to yell at me and no, I have no idea who the other Gator is, I haven't been around for last 2 years, that thread is dated 2007.

Of course I believe what I want to believe.....and I keep an open mind....with that.....I always said that Cliff did some interesting and relevant stuff....but he also was as destructive as a bull in a china shop, simultaneously....and THAT was intolerable.

I was not yelling at you, I will occasionally use all caps for emphasis....deal with it.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[Brian Jones]

STeven, you must change your title to "Cliff Patrol." :thumbup:

 

[Kohai999]

STeven, you must change your title to "Cliff Patrol." :thumbup:

Nah......Maybe Moving in the field at 1/2 speed?

HaHA

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[Gator97]

I will occasionally use all caps for emphasis....deal with it.

Damn, that was dramatic.

 

[Kohai999]

Damn, that was dramatic.

Who are you?

What is your agenda?

What are your bonafides?

Did you read the entire thread yet?

Before I get irritated, want to make sure your punk a** is for real.

No regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[Broos]

Here is a thread for you, which CLEARLY outlines why Cliff has detractors...and please....READ THE WHOLE THING!!! Also quite humorous is many discussions in that thread had with GATOR68...related?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=476782&highlight=friction+stir+welding

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Really some of that thread is quite hilarious, and the Professors were enlightening. The first part reminds me of the noss threads in a way.

It still amazes me the inability of that guy (CS) to think in a straight line. If you kept at him long enough, and could reel him in from one of his tangents, he would always end up quoting a german scientist or freeware statistical program as his basis in fact.

But he was a grandmaster at calling you an idiot or liar without directly calling you an idiot or a liar. I had forgotten that 3G was one of Cliff's defense team on that issue.

Some jewels in there for a science geek. I can still chuckle and get ticked off reading that thread.

 

[Gator97]

Who are you?

Just me, Gator97. Been on BF since 2000 or so.

What is your agenda?

Depends what do you mean, but I am afraid I have none relevant here, except that I like knives.

Did you read the entire thread yet?

No, there's a lot of reading and I am at work, so can't spend all day on that. But I'll finish it.

Before I get irritated, want to make sure your punk a** is for real.

Excuse me? And what's gonna happen when you get irritated? And why R U calling me names anyway?

I replied to your "deal with it" msg, which sounded unnecessarily "tough". Especially that I don't have to deal with any of your insults.

 

[Kohai999]

Just me, Gator97. Been on BF since 2000 or so.
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I can read how long you have been here, the question was more like..."what is your name, what do you do, introduce yourself if you don't mind"

I'm Steven.

Depends what do you mean, but I am afraid I have none relevant here, except that I like knives..

We all(most of us here) like knives...The agenda question was more directed like "why are you actively engaging other posters with fairly agressive responses, designed to kick up the emotion level?"

No, there's a lot of reading and I am at work, so can't spend all day on that. But I'll finish it...

What do you do for a living? I'm in sales...let me know what you get out of the thread after it is done.

Excuse me? And what's gonna happen when you get irritated? And why R U calling me names anyway?

I replied to your "deal with it" msg, which sounded unnecessarily "tough". Especially that I don't have to deal with any of your insults.

Well, if you intend to participate actively in this thread on BladeForums....sometimes I can be insulting...have been pretty mild so far... Cliff is a very touchy subject, except for the punk ant comment which was maybe premature...sorry, I have sociopathic tendencies that occasionally reveal themselves....you seemed to be started an oft-seen pattern around here of gradually elevating snottiness, unnecessarily....I don't know you, you don't know me....maybe we can get a beer sometime, or maybe not...you never know with the ethernet....nice website BTW.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[Gator97]

"what is your name, what do you do, introduce yourself if you don't mind"

name is Zvi, I do software engineering, in SF bay, most of that in in my profile or on my site.

why are you actively engaging other posters with fairly agressive responses, designed to kick up the emotion level?"

Hmm, honestly that wasn't my intent and I didn't see my msgs as aggressive. If they were, my sincere apologies to each member who felt offended by aggressiveness.

nice website BTW.

Thanks.

 

[thombrogan]

There's another point to consider, that there is no official cutlery science per se as of today. There's hardly even a specialized steel for knives too.

www.catra.org is the website of a world leader in cutlery science. Compared to other steels for other uses, no, knife steels are usually an adopted afterthought as there are so many uses for steels which will alway be more important than cutlery and I doubt there's any reason for that to change.

 

[hardheart]

http://www.catra.orgthere are so many uses for steels which will alway be more important than cutlery and I doubt there's any reason for that to change.

IT'S NOT TRUE

 

[Brian Jones]

sorry, I have sociopathic tendencies that occasionally reveal themselves....

Ok, so "1/2 Speed Cliff Field Patrol - Special Detachment, Pathological"?

 

[Brian Jones]

College dropouts don't do well in manufacturer's car crash tests for example, at least I haven't seen any car maker proudly advertising that their car crash tests are done by college dropouts because you don't need Phd to destroy something.

That's why they switched to crash test dummies. :thumbup:

 

[thombrogan]

IT'S NOT TRUE

Now hardheart, if we do leave Britney alone, we'll never get to use S5 or S7 in longer blades and fully hardened 1095 in smaller blades. Would Bennett still be making his own 4350-mod? Where would we know of such things if Northrup Grumman and Boeing didn't want steels whose properties matched what we may seek in large, nigh-invulnerable choppers? Our favorite strip steels from Sandvik and Uddeholm have general cutlery as just an afterthought and think of how the Johnstonites in the world would crumble and falter without Vermont American's 0-186. There, there big fella. It's okay.

 

[zenheretic]

I also think there are always many willing to criticize the one who actually does something.

and Cliff was their poster child...

Who did he criticize to the point of absurdity, and extreme insult (liars and shills) even trying to change the most basic laws of physics to do so? Knife makers, and thee experts in heat treating...

Oh sure he had some useful info and all. But in the end he was just a buffoon who broke knifes. Any uneducated buffoon can break knives. Some of them are pretty nice guys after all is said and done.