Cutting out blanks

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Hey all, this is my first post on this forum, but I have been reading a lot of the discussion. What I notice it that most people seem to grind out their blanks with a KMG or other tool. What I didn't see, was anyone suggesting using a plasma cutter. Is there a reason a plasma cutter would not work well? I only have a crappy half-horse bench grinder with two grind wheels, and I have a really old 4 1/2 inch angle grinder, so I have been trying to keep grinding down to a minimum, as it is very slow and my tools very unreliable.
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Durad
 
If you have a plasma cutter then go for it it will work. I guess most of the reason that people don't usually recommend it is because not many people have one, and they are expensive, too expensive to buy just for cutting out knife blanks. Also you will have to worry about the heat affected zone (HAZ) I don't know how big it will be, but you will need to grind away some material around the cut maybe 1/8". Look it up I'm sure there is lots of material on the web about this problem. Also others will chime in here shortly.
 
I've thought about it as I have a friend with a plasma table. My concern has been major warping due to heat.
 
+1 for what Nebulae said. I know a guy who does it with a plasma cutter and leaves extra around the blade to grind away what gets too hot from the plasma cutter. So you still end up grinding just not as much!
 
Plasma will leave a HAZ that you will have to grind away anway, I say use the angle grinder.

You can hog huge material, or be delicate with it.
 
I was wondering about using a jigsaw with metal cutting blade? Has anyone tried that? I haven't had much luck with one of my designs when using the angle grinder, and I need a small blade. I've been using a cutting disc on a Dremel, that is a real PITA.
 
Mooseyard, I haven't had any luck with that. The small blades in jigsaws get dull so quickly that it's almost cheaper to get the blank water-jet cut.
 
Jigsaws would be slow and dull so quickly you'd get frustrated.

IMO plasma cutting is worthless if you have to leave 1/8" around the whole thing so you can grind the HAZ away.
With most of my designs I can make two cuts on a bandsaw and I have less than 1/8" to grind away on half or more of the perimeter.
The only time it'd be helpful is if you had a big piece of steel but since you don't really save much when you buy wider steel you might as well buy steel that's the narrowest your design will fit on.
I have a metal bandsaw from harbor freight and it works well but is really slow. I had been grinding on a HF 1x30" sander but when I got my KMG I was blown away. A 2x72" 36 grit cubitron will flat out eat up steel faster than I can cut it off on a bandsaw. So...I guess what I'm trying to say is people don't use plasma cutters because grinding 1/4" off is almost as fast as grinding 1/8" off, so there's no point in buying plasma equipment or paying someone else to cut it with that method.

May I suggest buying a harbor freight 1x30" belt sander? It's so cheap; $40 if you find it on sale or with a coupon. Their 40 grit zirconia belt are pretty fast. If all you used the sander for was roughing out blanks then it'd be money well spent. I ground a few knives and they turned out great and it sure beat using files for the bevels.
 
I do rough cut out with a metal cutting band saw then go over to the KMG and make it look pretty. I have a great grinder and not a great band saw.

Frank
 
I use a 4 1/2" grinder from HF with a cutoff wheel. Pretty much the same thing you are doing. Probably not the easiest or cleanest way, but quicker than a hacksaw. Wastes some metal though. I go from the cutoff wheel to the bench grinder to the belt/disc sander.

Jason
 
I use a $15 4 1/2" angle grinder as well, then use a $49.00 1x30" belt sander from canadain tire, cheap and pretty effective until i can afford better stuff.
 
Jigsaws would be slow and dull so quickly you'd get frustrated.

IMO plasma cutting is worthless if you have to leave 1/8" around the whole thing so you can grind the HAZ away.
With most of my designs I can make two cuts on a bandsaw and I have less than 1/8" to grind away on half or more of the perimeter.
The only time it'd be helpful is if you had a big piece of steel but since you don't really save much when you buy wider steel you might as well buy steel that's the narrowest your design will fit on.
I have a metal bandsaw from harbor freight and it works well but is really slow. I had been grinding on a HF 1x30" sander but when I got my KMG I was blown away. A 2x72" 36 grit cubitron will flat out eat up steel faster than I can cut it off on a bandsaw. So...I guess what I'm trying to say is people don't use plasma cutters because grinding 1/4" off is almost as fast as grinding 1/8" off, so there's no point in buying plasma equipment or paying someone else to cut it with that method.

May I suggest buying a harbor freight 1x30" belt sander? It's so cheap; $40 if you find it on sale or with a coupon. Their 40 grit zirconia belt are pretty fast. If all you used the sander for was roughing out blanks then it'd be money well spent. I ground a few knives and they turned out great and it sure beat using files for the bevels.

I know that it would cost more for the plasma cutter, but I am gonna need one for a lot more than knife making anyway. It will surely cut out the blanks faster than an angle grinder though, right? (I have never used a plasma cutter, but I am thinking of getting one in the future)
 
If you need a plasma cutter anyway then it doesn't hurt to try. IMO it'll probably still be easier to grind out the profile on a harbor freight 1x30" sander. The sander is cheap and you can lay it on its back and use it for sharpening.
 
I dissagree with fumbler I think a plasma cutter will do a bang up job. As for the HAZ it is only a problem on the cutting edge, so if you cut about 1/8" outside on the cutting edge then that can be ground away to get to good steel, but who cares about the HAZ on the handle? the handle will get ground some naturally, and the whole thing normalized so if you leave some HAZ somewhere non-critic it will be fine.
 
There are many ways to cut blanks from bars, and each has its advocates and detractors. My advice is to start by using the tools you already have access to and see how well they work for what you want to do. Some people only have access to a drill press, and they use that to create a series of holes that they then connect with a hack saw.

I use a HF variable speed portable bandsaws with bimetallic blades. It's slow but effective. When I first started, I used and old Craftsman bench grinder to rough out the profile. It was slower and messier, but still effective. I know some folks just use high tension hack saws. Also slow, and also effective, and certainly less messy. Many use angle grinders. I tried that and didn't like it, but others do. Some even try mounting the angle grinders to tables. That's a VERY bad idea, but some folks swear by it.

I've heard of people using OA torches with cutting heads. Others swear by water jet cutting. Good grief, so many options it makes the head spin. There's probably someone out there that cuts blanks using some high powered die cutting machine. Hey, if you have access, why not.

In the end, where you start probably won't be where you end, but it gets you started. So find your own way, and enjoy. See what about that method you like and what about it frustrates you. That will give you insights into what your next approach should be.

- Greg
 
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just gonna throw this out there, if anybody has a miter saw already you can put a ceramic metal cutoff wheel on it and it will cut straight lines supper fast. not good for cancave spots, but its a start, and did I mention it was really fast?
 
I know that it would cost more for the plasma cutter, but I am gonna need one for a lot more than knife making anyway. It will surely cut out the blanks faster than an angle grinder though, right? (I have never used a plasma cutter, but I am thinking of getting one in the future)

For a long time I used a 4 inch angle grinder with the 1/16" thick cutoff wheels, worked pretty darn good. I use a band saw these days.
 
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