Damn. Another 'polished vs toothy' thread...

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Ok. So I've posted about this before, but ran in to a problem the other night. I prefer a toothy edge over a polished one. I got a huge New York strip and the knife they gave me was so dull it basically didn't work. My girlfriend actually let me use my EDC on it. It cut through like the steak was air. I know better than to drag it on the plate. Either way - the blade was noticeably duller afterwards. Duller after cutting steak?!? What the hell? It's a small sebenza?!? Do you guys think it's the whole 'toothy edge' thing? Bad heat treat? (probably not).. what ever the reason - I'm pretty pissed and don't understand how a steak can dull a knife. Please help! (oh yeah - I'm running 17 DPS on it - figured that's fine?)
 
If you cut through the steak that was on the plate...you hit the plate, dulling the blade. Took your teeth right off. And if they are what you are relying on to cut...stick a fork in it, its done.
 
I dulled my professional soldier's S35VN blade by breathing on it
 
How do we even get a toothy edge, just low grit sharpening?

Yes, that's the easy way. I never go higher than 600. Mostly I use a very old Boy Scout "carborunum" stone or a Eze-lap diamond 600 grit hone. Sometimes I don't even strop. The edge seems to last way longer than the edges I used to have back when I obsessed over "how sharp can I get this thing?"

We had recently moved from the peoples republic of marylandistan to the great state of Texas. Over the past few months of settling in, we've been unpacking more and more stuff to get the house more like a home. That meant lots of boxes to break down for the recycle barrel. I used, of all things, the SAK tinker I found in a junk shop a few days after our arrival in Georgetown. Hardly used, very dirty and with the original factory edge a bit dinged up. I gave it good bath in Dawn dish soap and some mineral oil in the joints and have been using the crappola out of it. So I pout it to work cutting down the boxes. With the unstropped 600 edge, it cut down enough cardboard boxes to build a house, sliced off miles of green plastic shrink wrap and bubble wrap from lamps and dishes, and was still cutting. After it was all done, the blade was dragging a bit, but it took all of one minute to touchup the 600 edge with the little red Eze-Lap model L hone. It's been sharp now for the past month, with some cutting jobs, and no need to touchup yet.

In the past when I put a fine shaving edge on a SAK, or any other lower end stainless steel, it didn't last with cardboard. With a courser toothy edge, it's whole different ball game. YMMV. Maybe.
 
How do we even get a toothy edge, just low grit sharpening?

Yes, that's the easy way. I never go higher than 600. Mostly I use a very old Boy Scout "carborunum" stone or a Eze-lap diamond 600 grit hone. Sometimes I don't even strop. The edge seems to last way longer than the edges I used to have back when I obsessed over "how sharp can I get this thing?"

We had recently moved from the peoples republic of marylandistan to the great state of Texas. Over the past few months of settling in, we've been unpacking more and more stuff to get the house more like a home. That meant lots of boxes to break down for the recycle barrel. I used, of all things, the SAK tinker I found in a junk shop a few days after our arrival in Georgetown. Hardly used, very dirty and with the original factory edge a bit dinged up. I gave it good bath in Dawn dish soap and some mineral oil in the joints and have been using the crappola out of it. So I pout it to work cutting down the boxes. With the unstropped 600 edge, it cut down enough cardboard boxes to build a house, sliced off miles of green plastic shrink wrap and bubble wrap from lamps and dishes, and was still cutting. After it was all done, the blade was dragging a bit, but it took all of one minute to touchup the 600 edge with the little red Eze-Lap model L hone. It's been sharp now for the past month, with some cutting jobs, and no need to touchup yet.

In the past when I put a fine shaving edge on a SAK, or any other lower end stainless steel, it didn't last with cardboard. With a courser toothy edge, it's whole different ball game. YMMV. Maybe.

I usually sharpen on a 600 DMT then strop on green compound to kill the burr. Creates very sharp, very aggressive edges.
 
Yeah I disagree. 1000 grit semi polished lasts longer than a toothy edge. It is deceptively sharp. What you can easily slice w/ a toothy edge, you can push cut, or slice easier with a polished edge.
 
Sebenzas are definitely not known for their edge holding, but toothy is dull. Polished is just sharper and better. A perfect mirror is the best.
 
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Yeah I disagree. 1000 grit semi polished lasts longer than a toothy edge. It is deceptively sharp. What you can easily slice w/ a toothy edge, you can push cut, or slice easier with a polished edge.

Slice easier with a polished edge? That's funny...
 
Slice easier with a polished edge? That's funny...
I guess the truth is funny? Must explain why for precise cutting tasks, surgeons use ultra fine obsidian scalpels...because they are inferior slicers to ragged edges?

I guess I'm going to hear next how 2 cycle engines, can run for more operating hours that diesel engines.

I will concede that the internet is funny.
 
The knife isn't even dull. It just needs to be honed on either a strop or a Steel. A "toothy" edge is an unaligned edge. Take your hands and interlock your fingers with them sticking out.

Like this

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This is a what a Toothy edge looks like if you are lucky. Most likely, half ass sharpening a blade will leave a wire burr.

The "teeth" need to be aligned-by either a Steel or a strop. Skip that step after the stone, and you are going to end up with fools gold for the edge. It will seem sharp, but its really isn't.
 
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The knife isn't even dull. It just needs to be honed on either a strop or a Steel. A "toothy" edge is an unaligned edge. Take your hands and interlock your fingers with them sticking out.

Like this

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This is a what a Toothy edge looks like if you are lucky. Most likely, half ass sharpening a blade will leave a wire burr.

The "teeth" need to be aligned-by either a Steel or a strop. Skip that step after the stone, and you are going to end up with fools gold for the edge. It will seem sharp, but its really isn't.

Not exactly....a toothy edge is more like just the spread fingers of one hand. Even folks like the infamous Cliff Stamp will tell you that a properly apexed (burr-free) low grit edge will have increased slicing aggression than a high grit edge, as well as increased edge retention on slicing tasks.
 
I would say that you hit the plate and didn't realize it. Probably many times and the blade just needs to be stropped
 
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