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TNT said:
even on the ad, dosent it state,
INTENDED FOR MILITARY & LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALS ONLY

dosent it say that? does that fit you?
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Do you really believe that BS? If they were being marketed to military and law enforcement only then they wouldn't have ads in every knife magazine. It doesn't take any smarts to figure that out.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
Do you really believe that BS? If they were being marketed to military and law enforcement only then they wouldn't have ads in every knife magazine. It doesn't take any smarts to figure that out.
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Well, i dont believe its BS. from the looks of the knives, that is exactly what they are intended for. if you used a knife in l/e or the military you might see that too. if a civilian wanted one then they can buy them too.
 
TNT said:
Well, i dont believe its BS. from the looks of the knives, that is exactly what they are intended for.
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Just like Extrema Ratios...no wait...they are Extrema Ratio knock-offs!

TNT said:
if you used a knife in l/e or the military you might see that too.
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I don't think large fixed blades (their primary offerings) are the most practical on-duty option for traffic law enforcement officers...I mean, if you can and want to carry one, more power to you, but there are many better knives for that purpose.
As far as military use (much more likely as far as their fixed blades go) is concerned there are numerous knives out there that serve this purpose better - and these companies and makers don't run silly ad campaigns.

You probably didn't read the thread. If you did, you would know that pretty much nobody doubts that they will be decent knives - and nothing too special either. But that's beside the point: they are knock-offs.
 
INTENDED FOR MILITARY & LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALS ONLY
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And, of course, we've all seen dozens of knives marketed as "Official Navy Seals Knife..."

The military and law-enforcement markets for $200+ knives is very small. It's mostly a relationship sale with no advertising at all.

One company that's very successful in the military and law-enforcment markets is Benchmade. I've seen the material that Benchmade uses to sell to military and law enforcement. There's no juvenile, steroid-hyped graphics, no hyperbole text about deanimation and controlled blood splatter. It's very professional. That is, in fact, how you sell to professionals.

The law-enforcement market is, of course, very concerned about legal liablility issues. Everything a police officer does from writting parking tickets to raiding meth labs is subject to the harshest legal scrutiny. DO's advertising could very easily be a huge liability in a court case.

Truth be known, DO Knives don't have any special feature that's not available from other knife manufacturers. The specially-designed blood groves are -- I think we all know -- bunk (and I'm using langauge appropriate for the general forum). The super-secret steel alloy is no better than any of the high-end steel alloys available from any number of manufacturers. Good grips made of good materials are common these days. There are prehaps a dozen vendors who can provide knives that are in every way comparable to DOK's products at or below the same prices and without the potential legal baggage that DOK's ad champaign most certainly is.

As a result, I have to wonder just exactly how successful DOK will be with military and law-enforcement customers.
 
TNT said:
Well, i dont believe its BS. from the looks of the knives, that is exactly what they are intended for. if you used a knife in l/e or the military you might see that too. if a civilian wanted one then they can buy them too.
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It is BS, because they say that their knives are intended ONLY for military and police personnel. There would be no need to spend a fortune on advertising in knife magazines if they did not intend to sell to anybody that wants one of their knives.

What the ad should say is: INTENDED FOR MILITARY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALS AND ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS ONE.
 
Speaking of the "knock-off" concept; Has anyone seen the Smith & Wesson "Homeland Security" fixed blade knives? Not exactly my personal cup-o-tea but I couldn't help but notice a similarity. I believe they have G-10 handles but are otherwise VERY similar to the ER fixed blade tanto style...Not to mention the "use" of something similar to the Busse "talon" holes, IIRC.

In any event just for info...

All the very best,

Stuart
 
Yes, Taylor Cutlery (responsible for the S&W label knives) is notorious for knock-offs. There are other companies that are notorious for knock-offs, too. Maybe we could discuss the others in other threads, though; this one seems to be getting pretty long just talking about one company.... :cool:
 
Copy that Cougar. Without any response from the company in question, not much else to add then.

Stuart
 
On third thought,

If the design features have been changed by a mere 30%, the patent infringement questions are, of course, irrlevant to the discussion in a legal sense. The negative conjecture here is probably a waste of time in this regard.

ER may not have any legs to stand where infringement is concerned. I rather doubt Frank is unaware of the potential for this and would move forward in that direction with his own line.

Frank has never stated they were not designed around/based on the ER line anywhere to my knowledge. Doesn't seem to be a problem with any denial of the DOK lineage [ as in false statements made by him to cover some conspiracy to copy the ER's ].

Advertising is advertising, some will find it repulsive, others will not care as long as the product has value. That all remains to be seen when and if they ship in the future.

Each has their own opinion on various aspects of the DOK line for their own reasons, that is perfectly understandable.

S&W has seen fit to copy at least one ER long bladed knife, I see no fussing and fretting over the issue there. Other companies have done the same thing on a theme many times over as well. Frank wasn't the first nor probably the last to design off anothers idea.

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion which should be respected here.

As to their advertising hurting the industry, that remains to be seen. It is a possibility, of course, time will tell. From the read here, some believe it has happened, if they have evidence to substantiate their opinion, come forward otherwise, again it is strictly conjecture and opinion of what "might" happen down the road and not factual, thats leading to an ever increasing pig pile on hypotheticals.

I have no opinion on the advertising one way or the other. I have had ER's folders, they are rugged to the extreme and if Franks DOK's prove to be a substantial improvement in some areas over the ER's [ which had some issues which were verbalized on this site based on peoples handling/owning them, I'll take one. I thought the ER lineup was worthy of the reputation for durability and quality, I'll hold judgement on the DOK line until I see one for myself.

Robin Brown
 
DOK is done by Pyramont, a one man operation out of his home...met the guy Jim at a couple shows. It's all about the flash, but that's about it.
 
gunloverintl said:
DOK is done by Pyramont, a one man operation out of his home...met the guy Jim at a couple shows. It's all about the flash, but that's about it.
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Yes, I see the dates, thanks. I just want to get it out there that Pyramont is not the "world class" marketing firm it'd like people to believe. It's a one man operation that hanging on by a thread, at leats according to rumors at the show.
 
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