Dark Ops

Once he decides on which folder to get and moves on to a fixed blade I think the J. Lightning Razr would likely be right up his alley.
 
The truth is these knives are very tough and well thought out as to their intended use. Aside from the people that hate them for the way they are marketed and what dealings brought them about, the ones that have tried them have been very pleased with their performance.
I had one before I ever knew that people hate them here for the marketing and rip-off part. I figured they was for hard core swat team use and other type law enforcement, or military use. I have loads of other knives to compare it to from all major production brands. And while it is not a user of mine I have to say it's made very strongly and it's not a badly made knife at all. It has 1/4" blade width and a like thick locking bar. The handles are very thick aluminum with a massive pivot pin. The finger grooves give a very solid grip and there's a sharp glass breaker at the butt of the handle that feels like it would take a lot to break. The quartz inserts are very, very rough and i have no doubt they would give you a grip in motor oil. Lock-up on the blade on mine is rock solid. There is no blade play in any direction.
I plan to keep my one and only "dork ops" because it's so hated and unloved by so many. It's way too heavy at 9 ounces to carry but it's just another knife on the shelf.
 
jill jackson said:
I had one before I ever knew that people hate them here for the marketing and rip-off part. I figured they was for hard core swat team use and other type law enforcement, or military use. .
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You originally fit into the second category I mentioned. Of course, once you learned the facts, you quickly slipped into the first category. There you remain.
 
jill jackson said:
it's not a badly made knife at all. It has 1/4" blade width and a like thick locking bar. The handles are very thick aluminum with a massive pivot pin. The finger grooves give a very solid grip and there's a sharp glass breaker at the butt of the handle that feels like it would take a lot to break. The quartz inserts are very, very rough and i have no doubt they would give you a grip in motor oil. Lock-up on the blade on mine is rock solid. There is no blade play in any direction.
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Thats what caught my attention to that type of knife. Im fascinated by all things which are built tough. Me too, im not fond of the writing on the knife or their marketing strategy but I don't discredit it for that either. That said, thanks to a user on here, I checked out SOG's website and they seem just as tough and priced more reasonably too. :thumbup:. Cool brand!
 
vpsaline said:
Thats what caught my attention to that type of knife. Im fascinated by all things which are built tough. Me too, im not fond of the writing on the knife or their marketing strategy but I don't discredit it for that either. That said, thanks to a user on here, I checked out SOG's website and they seem just as tough and priced more reasonably too. :thumbup:. Cool brand!
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The edge is rather steep and when I got that folder it wouldn't shave hair cleanly, as I consider sharp to be it wasn't very but you can easily see it's made and sharpened to hold up to heavy use, as it comes from the factory. I made about 100 swipes on the sticks and it very quickly was shaving sharp. If you want a tough folder that will hold up to a lot of hard use it's not bad at 175. After all it was designed after(and has many of the same features) a much esteemed, as a tough no nonsense knife that the owner of the DO company used to sale- that people will tell you is very tough- but the Dark Ops isn't because it's a copy and the guy is rotten to the core for ripping Extreme Ratio off. But fact is it's USA made, heavy built to the max, has a very thick blade and locking bar. And not a cheap knife to buy. If I'd know all about the facts behind the brand, sure it would give you pause about getting one. But looking at the knife itself subjectively it's really not junk. I can look at my other knives and see it's made with just as much workmanship as any knife should be in it's price range. People may hate the entire deal behind D.O. and the way the brand came into being, but it doesn't make them into something they aren't.
 
I don't trust Dark Ops as a company; not because of their ad copy, but because they're just not a knife company. They're owned by a marketing group which also owns several other "tactical" brands of questionable quality. I see no representation on their part in the knife community, and I've never seen the owners of the company come on to a public forum and talk to us, the users. Sure, they may be decent knives, but you're better off with a SOG, Spyderco, Benchmade, Kershaw, or Zero Tolerance for your money.

Oh, and Rat: Nice sig line.
 
vpsaline said:
Thats what caught my attention to that type of knife. Im fascinated by all things which are built tough. Me too, im not fond of the writing on the knife or their marketing strategy but I don't discredit it for that either. That said, thanks to a user on here, I checked out SOG's website and they seem just as tough and priced more reasonably too. :thumbup:. Cool brand!
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Just have to barge in here with "never ever buy from SOG's official webite"! The price for the SOG Pentagon Elite II is 170 USD and that's about 100 USD more expensive then if you searched around more. Ebay has them listed for around 70 to 90 minus shipping. Good luck.

I like Dark Ops actually. It's very tough and will last. However the only thing that could be improved may be the width of the blade could be widened. With it's current short width and thick blade it will be a horrible cutter. They could improve the current design by losing the words and grooves on the blade to make way for the grinding.
 
jill jackson said:
The truth is these knives are very tough and well thought out as to their intended use.

I plan to keep my one and only "dork ops" because it's so hated and unloved by so many. It's way too heavy at 9 ounces to carry but it's just another knife on the shelf.
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LOL:D

I don't know that I'd ever consider buying a knife with ad copy that boasts about its "disturbing cutting capability" and the fact that its "edge bevel is an extreme, nearly razor edge 70 degrees."
http://www.darkopsknives.com/cgistore/store.cgi?page=/new/product.html&setup=1&ida=17&idp=15&his=0|15&cart_id=7098388.8116

I certainly wouldn't describe said knife as being "well thought out," but hey, maybe that's just me.

Regards,
3G
 
Sword and Shield said:
70 degrees??? Heck, a thick edge on one of mine is 30, and that's an AXE. What are they trying to cut at 70 inclusive?
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I agree, thats crazy. It's not that far away from a 90 deg square. Exactly like a slightly sharpened crowbar. Not that would ever describe a crowbar as 'razor' :)

For the record, the knife in question is NOT the folder shown by the thread starter.

And yes, the use of the phrase "disturbing cutting capability" is disturbing :)
 
I don't care how well made they are or what they cost. Maybe, if I was really desperate for one, I could overlook the hideous advertising practices BUT...

I don't buy knives from scumbags. I don't care what it is or how much it costs, if I think you are a scumbag, I won't be buying anything from you.

I like to sleep at night.

Possibly others don't have this moral handicap!
 
There was to be a actual test on a fixed blade D.O. Raven carried out-
http://hgyu456jucl.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~87.asp
But I believe the site owner has slowed way down on testing so that didn't come about. (he suffered an injury as well when he slipped and fell into his empty underwater testing tank, so that may be the deciding factor in the slow down)
 
Sword and Shield said:
70 degrees??? Heck, a thick edge on one of mine is 30, and that's an AXE. What are they trying to cut at 70 inclusive?
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90 degrees is straight with no edge bevel whatsoever. 70 degrees would be a very thin sharp "nearly razor edge".
http://www.clarku.edu/~djoyce/trig/angle.html
At least that's the way they seem to be putting it. But I've heard 15 degrees would be a razor edge. So it seems they did turn the standard way of looking at edge angle backwards? I think the 70% angle on that knife in question is what would be called a 20%. For some reason they are measuring the angle from the 90 degree mark back to 70%. Which would be of course a 20 degree edge. Nearly the 15% razor edge, so that's something else to make fun of D.O. about.
 
jill jackson: I still plan to test the Raven. I have had one on order for 3 months. No one seems to have them at the moment. At least everyplace I checked has them on backorder. I don't know what the deal is at the moment.

I just checked where I have it on order since the Nov. 15 it's still not available.
 
noss4 said:
jill jackson: I still plan to test the Raven. I have had one on order for 3 months. No one seems to have them at the moment. At least everyplace I checked has them on backorder. I don't know what the deal is at the moment.

I just checked where I have it on order since the Nov. 15 it's still not available.
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Would be nice to know if they are as what they hype themselves up to be.

IMO the Raven is not available. Normally something is on backorder because it's either too expensive to stock (draining finances) or so darn popular that they are almost always finished. The DO knife is not as popular (as can be seen from typical BF member's response regarding DO) and is not as expensive as a Sebenza so I honestly feel they have not manufactured any.
 
How is this knife I came across online? It looks to me like the Ontario Retribution bulk combined with the easier to carry Pentagon. Two knives in one? Nice piece, nice buy? You guys didnt mention this one cause it sucks or cause you were holding back on me :p?

Benchmade Skirmish 630SBK
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The Benchmade 10100SBP also looks nice, and affordable.
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How do you sharpen the part of the blade with serrations?
 
I would find something from Benchmade, Spyderco, or Kershaw/Zero Tolerance. Check their websites, find something you like, then go to www.froogle.com and punch it up.
 
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