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asdf12345

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Honestly, that is one of the coolest posts I have seen on here. To buy, sell, and trade knives, is to take a lump or two every now and then... However, most people here are truly exceptionally nice people, and live by the Golden Rule.
 
Never mind...sorry, misinterpreted the above post and ranted, then realized I made a mistake.
 
I think you have a point in people should accurately describe the item there selling. Mistakes do happen and admitting and apologizing goes a long way in my book. While others won't do business with you I sure will. From your post you seem to enjoy this hobby as much as I do, we get worked up and saythings at times we might not say when level headed. Its all good man, lifes a learning process. Im willing to bet most folks here understand that and are cool to deal with, if not oh well tell them to take a hike lol
 
shinyedges said:
He apologized, not enough for you? Oh well big whoop good thing he doesn't only have you to buy knives from. Asdf seems fairly willing to hear other people out, and it takes balls to apologize for ones mistake on a public forum. Cut him some slack
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Nope you're totally correct. As I said, I read the post with a sarcastic tone (totally my bad) and having followed both threads, it rubbed me the wrong way. I regretted what I said the second I posted it, when I realized the apology was sincere, my response wasn't accurate or necessary.

Asdf, good on you for being so upfront, sorry for crapping on your apology like that (if you even saw it, I edited it immediately). For what it's worth, I joined as a gold member with the intention of using the exchange, and following these threads has made me more aware of the necessity to be careful with descriptions/disclosures. I'm a user, others are collectors, it's good to hear the perspective from both sides of the fence.
 
I don't think anyone else seen it, you did edit it quick. I was thinking man this guy has a heart of steel lol my bad for the snappy reply.
f250 said:
Nope you're totally correct. As I said, I read the post with a sarcastic tone (totally my bad) and having followed both threads, it rubbed me the wrong way. I regretted what I said the second I posted it, when I realized the apology was sincere, my response wasn't accurate or necessary.

Asdf, good on you for being so upfront, sorry for crapping on your apology like that (if you even saw it, I edited it immediately). For what it's worth, I joined as a gold member with the intention of using the exchange, and following these threads has made me more aware of the necessity to be careful with descriptions/disclosures. I'm a user, others are collectors, it's good to hear the perspective from both sides of the fence.
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shinyedges said:
I don't think anyone else seen it, you did edit it quick. I was thinking man this guy has a heart of steel lol my bad for the snappy reply.
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No worries man, my original post probably deserved a snappy reply.

I've been correcting and disciplining multiple crew members I've got working tonight since 5 pm, got one more I need to write up, and he's late now. I'm a little on edge lol.
 
I'm imagining you squinting your eyes while tapping your foot like tisk tisk as the late guy walks in lol
f250 said:
No worries man, my original post probably deserved a snappy reply.

I've been correcting and disciplining multiple crew members I've got working tonight since 5 pm, got one more I need to write up, and he's late now. I'm a little on edge lol.
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asdf12345 said:
I would like to sincerely apologize for my most recent thread in the Feedback forum, where I complained about the undisclosed problems I had experienced with several knives purchased on the Exchange.

I think I had overreacted when I described certain issues like weak detents, automatic knives failing to fire properly, and lock rock as details that were intentionally undisclosed by the seller. Looking back, I can see how it would be very easy for even experienced sellers to miss minor issues such as those and I should have been more forgiving.

In addition, I now realize that it is the buyer's responsibility to ask about the condition of the knife and not the seller's. I was incorrect when I complained about cosmetic and mechanical issues - I assumed the seller was responsible for disclosing these issues but I had a lapse of judgment. I understand now that my experiences with receiving knives not as described were irrelevant because I did not make sure to ask the seller about every aspect of the knife beforehand, whether the issues affected the proper function of the knife or not. I was not specific enough with my questions about the knife's condition to have received an answer as to each cosmetic or mechanical problem.

I had wanted to avoid bringing these issues to light in the past in order to avoid conflict, and I see now that I should have kept doing this; making the thread caused needless controversy as my arguments for a detailed guide for describing condition were quickly proven to be groundless. I appreciate the members who pointed out that I too had made mistakes in the past and that my thoughts on the subject were therefore invalid.

The seller should have the freedom to represent his product in any way he desires, and it is the responsibility of the buyer to ask specific questions to ascertain exactly what problems a particular knife for sale might or might not have. Obligating anyone to conform to a set of guidelines for selling their product would harm the community and I thank the users who helped me to realize this.

Lastly, I would like to apologize for being concerned with the resale value of knives. If I pay nearly full price for a knife in the future and it has issues that I maybe wasn't expecting from the sale post, I will chalk the loss up to a learning experience. I would like to thank Bladeforums for helping me realize the error of my ways and I will avoid making these mistakes in the future.
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Maybe I am missing something here?

The 'seller' has the obligation to represent his product truthfully and to describe that product as accurately as possible, and to disclose any issues they are aware of.

The buyer should always ask questions, but that does not supersede the sellers duty to be as honest and open about the condition of the item they are selling.
 
Just to clarify, I should list a Strider with really bad lock rock (not picking on a brand) as 'mint' ?

If the buyer doesn't ask about lock rock, I can say, 'you never asked me anything about that' ?

A healthy exchange works with honesty. Without that, it's just a mess.....
 
JR88FAN said:
Maybe I am missing something here?

The 'seller' has the obligation to represent his product truthfully and to describe that product as accurately as possible, and to disclose any issues they are aware of.

The buyer should always ask questions, but that does not supersede the sellers duty to be as honest and open about the condition of the item they are selling.
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You would be correct. All sellers need to make a sincere effort to be as transparent and honest about the items they are selling. Nothing less is acceptable. If the sellers have no clue as to what they have, it's their responsibility to again, make an effort to find out before misleading someone else, intentionally or otherwise.
By the same token, buyers need to wake up a bit and ask questions before making a purchase, as well as use Paypal in such a way that they don't hang themselves by trying to "be nice" and forfeiting their only protection. Making excuses to one side or the other is sort of a moot point, and people need to accept the consequences (quietly) of their own lack of initiative. You have just described exactly what people need to do when they buy and sell. :thumbup:
 
asdf12345 said:
I would like to sincerely apologize for my most recent thread in the Feedback forum, where I complained about the undisclosed problems I had experienced with several knives purchased on the Exchange.

I think I had overreacted when I described certain issues like weak detents, automatic knives failing to fire properly, and lock rock as details that were intentionally undisclosed by the seller. Looking back, I can see how it would be very easy for even experienced sellers to miss minor issues such as those and I should have been more forgiving.

In addition, I now realize that it is the buyer's responsibility to ask about the condition of the knife and not the seller's. I was incorrect when I complained about cosmetic and mechanical issues - I assumed the seller was responsible for disclosing these issues but I had a lapse of judgment. I understand now that my experiences with receiving knives not as described were irrelevant because I did not make sure to ask the seller about every aspect of the knife beforehand, whether the issues affected the proper function of the knife or not. I was not specific enough with my questions about the knife's condition to have received an answer as to each cosmetic or mechanical problem.

I had wanted to avoid bringing these issues to light in the past in order to avoid conflict, and I see now that I should have kept doing this; making the thread caused needless controversy as my arguments for a detailed guide for describing condition were quickly proven to be groundless. I appreciate the members who pointed out that I too had made mistakes in the past and that my thoughts on the subject were therefore invalid.

The seller should have the freedom to represent his product in any way he desires, and it is the responsibility of the buyer to ask specific questions to ascertain exactly what problems a particular knife for sale might or might not have. Obligating anyone to conform to a set of guidelines for selling their product would harm the community and I thank the users who helped me to realize this.

Lastly, I would like to apologize for being concerned with the resale value of knives. If I pay nearly full price for a knife in the future and it has issues that I maybe wasn't expecting from the sale post, I will chalk the loss up to a learning experience. I would like to thank Bladeforums for helping me realize the error of my ways and I will avoid making these mistakes in the future.
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You've only been here on BF for about 6 months, & you still have 100% positive feedback. Chalk your GBU thread up to a great learning experience here.

Good luck!
 
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What the hell? I didn't see anything particularly wrong with your thread. Other than, maybe you got a little to detailed in exactly what sellers should disclose. I just took it as "if it has these problems then disclose it". Not "go over all these points in each sale thread".

The seller, supposedly, has the knife in hand and there are a lot of things that don't show up in pics. And things like stripped screws, bungled sharpening, pitted clips or blades are not easily seen in some pics. And should be disclosed. It's not Rocket Surgery. Treat your buyer like you would like to be treated. That is all.

I think you started this thread because you got butt hurt because of a little criticism. Most posts were pretty supportive.

Sarcasm belongs in Whine and Cheese.
 
sirupatespecial said:
What the hell? I didn't see anything particularly wrong with your thread. Other than, maybe you got a little to detailed in exactly what sellers should disclose. I just took it as "if it has these problems then disclose it". Not "go over all these points in each sale thread".

The seller, supposedly, has the knife in hand and there are a lot of things that don't show up in pics. And things like stripped screws, bungled sharpening, pitted clips or blades are not easily seen in some pics. And should be disclosed. It's not Rocket Surgery. Treat your buyer like you would like to be treated. That is all.

I think you started this thread because you got butt hurt because of a little criticism. Most posts were pretty supportive.

Sarcasm belongs in Whine and Cheese.
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I agree.
 
No harm no foul
As I feel with EACH and every sell-buy or trade
Especially a SALE or TRADE
(Rev hit it on the mark)
BE TRANSPARENT as you can be
allow questions.
Provide additional pictures
DO YOUR HOMEWORK when buying or trading--Feedback speaks in volumes to me
EXAMPLE=I asked a guy to ship first since he had no feedback--He DISAPPEARED from here for weeks (automatic RED FLAG)
Possibly a scam.. Perhaps-I set the ground rules for trade--Take it or leave it..- Reputation and reading comments about sales-trades etc.
WILL give you volumes of information to make a decision to deal with them or not
Be UPFRONT of where the knife has or has not been
Forthcoming in condition as it came to you and as it leaves you
Also building your integrity and character in BF as you proceed with dealings
with a diverse community only makes your name stick with others in the community
As I believe --and how I carry my dealings in here.
People know my name- Know my track record..
I allow folks to look me up..
I also allow folks to ask for references in here if they wish
Reputations in BF are earned not readily given.
You (I feel) have done nothing wrong.. Maybe a bit premature.. But nothing that
any of us have or will do in the future when it comes to new dealings with various newer
members. There is a right way to build your reputation and a wrong way. Not being
completely upfront is not the way to handle things.. Its a hassle on both sides and leads to bad
blood and posts that may drag peoples name in the mud and or might could be handled privately
BUT if it is a bad dealing.. And if the other party is not willing to make things right-- I say connect with a Moderator
and ask how to proceed..
Different folks in here I have had good dealings with and some not so much. I simply do not deal with
them ever again and they go on my ""Ignore List"" Keep a good track record and do unto others
It will take you far in this community.. Remember-You cant make EVERYONE happy..No matter what
Although--Willingness-Character-Integrity will always take you far here...Good Luck
EVERYONE HAVE A BLESSED AND SAFE HOLIDAY SEASON..
Keith-Giz
 
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Very good post Giz...............

Wished everyone felt and did the same
 
When selling, I state that the knife can be returned for a full refund. I don't even want to hear the buyer's story. It doesn't change my feeling about the person unless they're using some perceived imperfection, to leverage a partial refund. If a seller and buyer have 100% feedback, why take a potentially contentious course of action? Undo the deal. Offer to pay their return shipping.
 
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