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Mick Boardman

Mick Boardman

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Got this knife today, I can smell what is identical to the spray paint from a can, and the finish does look exactly like gloss black paint. The serrated edge won’t harm my skin and neither will the plain edge when I run my fingers across the edges. The seller pm‘ed me and said ”be careful, very sharp”. That’s totally ridiculous, as these are the dullest serrations I ever felt. The plain edge actually is quite dull as well. No risk of accidental laceration with this knife. G-10 grinds not lined up at all with the jimping in tang.The mfg. website market this as a $325 knife, I’m not seeing anything like that with knife in hand. This resembles stuff I have seen on tables at shows for $40-$50, the finish, the dullnest, even has a Chinese knockoff belt clip too. Says Made in China on the back. Why would a, Israeli combat knife company purchase junk belt clips from china? I expected way more for $200. If Scuba69 is not here to rip people off, why not refund a totally dissatisfied buyer? I have never requested a return on anything I ever bought here. I have never had a buyer request a return either. I’ll refund if a buyer is not happy, don’t matter why. Just a good policy to always part company as friends.

Lotar Combat Knives

For Sale : Lotar Combat Beauforts. Blade Length 5 9/16“ OAL 10” Blade Thickness .12” CPM-D2 Steel G-10 Scales Double razor edge. Serrated on one edge. Quantity ( 3 ). Price $200 each. Lotar Combat Sicari. Blade Length 4” OAL 8” Blade Thickness .18“ CPM-D2 Steel G-10 Scales Double...
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Please provide images, a link to the original sales thread, and any other pertinent information while we await hearing from S Scuba69 on the matter.
 
They look like Chinese made ninja fantasy knives. The Israelis do have some scams going on. Scuba69 appears to be a really good seller. A polite conversation with him should resolve your refund issue.
 
stonesell said:
They look like Chinese made ninja fantasy knives. The Israelis do have some scams going on. Scuba69 appears to be a really good seller. A polite conversation with him should resolve your refund issue.
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No, I had a polite conversation with him, back and forth.
 
If you funded through a credit card, file a chargeback. Then once you get the money simply return the knife. Anything other than PayPal G&S gives too much power to the sellers, and sometimes even the best of them will take advantage of that.
 
Well, I see that S Scuba69 was on this afternoon and not a peep out of him so far. That doesn't inspire confidence.
 
I sold him a Lotar Combat Beaufort I purchased directly from the manufacturer. At $200 it’s a great deal and well below the MSRP plus free shipping. I don’t know where he’s coming up with this B.S. about fresh paint and that it looks cheap. I posted clear pictures of the knives. Who knows what he’s done to the knife. No one else has complained at all. And I SOLD 3 other Lotar Combat Blades. He accused me of selling fake knives and even took a picture of my house and sent it to me as to say he knows where I live. Which to me is almost a threat. Our conversation was not very pleasant at all. All he did was go off on different thing he didn’t like about the knife and so forth. I told him after accusing me of selling fake crap I refused to accept the knife back. My feedback has been great on BF. And for him to accuse me of selling anything else but quality blades is B.S.
 
Thanks for replying S Scuba69 . It's important to hear from both sides in a dispute.

I'm not happy to hear about the implied threat. At all.

If you feel comfortable doing so, you can send me a copy of your invoice from the manufacturer via PM. (It would not be posted here or anywhere else and would only be shared with other members of the moderation staff who have an interest in the matter.)

Again, I am glad to hear your side.
 
I have not done anything to the knife. I told you that you look like you can afford to return someones money as the fancy house showed that, don’t come off with threat crap. If this is a $325 lotar combat, then they make junk knives. This is far from a “quality blade”, and you know it, that is why you don’t want it returned. I expected a $325 knife at $200 and got something I would not keep for $100, let alone $200. I told you exactly why I wanted to return the knife , whats this “ goes off on different things”?
 
Blues said:
Thanks for replying S Scuba69 . It's important to hear from both sides in a dispute.

I'm not happy to hear about the implied threat. At all.

If you feel comfortable doing so, you can send me a copy of your invoice from the manufacturer via PM. (It would not be posted here or anywhere else and would only be shared with other members of the moderation staff who have an interest in the matter.)

Again, I am glad to hear your side.
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Y’all convinced me to post this grievance, now you take his “implied threat” BS and run with it. Thanks buddy! I don’t threaten anyone,implied or otherwise. $200 ain’t going to make me lose any sleep, and if you moderators had not kept steering me towards posting a grievance, I never would have. I have had a few knives and I know junk from a decent quality blade. This is a cheap knife. Not even close to being worth $200, let alone the manufacturer claimed $325 value. Post anything you want here, I won’t be back to read it. You sell something online and they see knife in hand it’s not what they expected, you should return their money.
 
Mick Boardman said:
Y’all convinced me to post this grievance, now you take his “implied threat” BS and run with it. Thanks buddy! I don’t threaten anyone,implied or otherwise. $200 ain’t going to make me lose any sleep, and if you moderators had not kept steering me towards posting a grievance, I never would have. I have had a few knives and I know junk from a decent quality blade. This is a cheap knife. Not even close to being worth $200, let alone the manufacturer claimed $325 value. Post anything you want here, I won’t be back to read it. You sell something online and they see knife in hand it’s not what they expected, you should return their money.
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So did you actually post a pic of his house and say that? Scuba if you could post that to prove? How did the other buyers feel? Maybe one of them could post here. Ill refrain until more info.
 
Mick Boardman said:
Y’all convinced me to post this grievance, now you take his “implied threat” BS and run with it. Thanks buddy! I don’t threaten anyone,implied or otherwise. $200 ain’t going to make me lose any sleep, and if you moderators had not kept steering me towards posting a grievance, I never would have. I have had a few knives and I know junk from a decent quality blade. This is a cheap knife. Not even close to being worth $200, let alone the manufacturer claimed $325 value. Post anything you want here, I won’t be back to read it. You sell something online and they see knife in hand it’s not what they expected, you should return their money.
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You've been all over the place on this matter since PM'ing us about your issue. First you want us to intervene, then you don't, then you want to complain, but you don't want the seller to retaliate.

If we don't get both sides of the story, you're asking us to not do our due diligence and simply accept the story of the first person to contact us as gospel without any qualification.

It doesn't work like that my friend. You asked several of us the best way forward, and when it was provided, you balked. Instead, you sought our assistance while trying to pass off the knife you said you suspected of being a fake to another member via the Exchange.

Only when I called you on it and asked you what was more important, your honor or getting back your money from another member who you'd be selling a "suspicious" knife to, did you relent, pull the ad and post here.

Don't blame us for searching for the truth. And as far as I can tell, I've been asking the seller to document that he bought the knives from the manufacturer, and you've already admitted contacting him and telling him it looks like he can afford to refund the money based upon where he lives.

I don't recall you saying you sent him an image of his home, which is totally inappropriate. A conversation will do without the theatrics.

If you want to call my ethics and integrity into the matter, I'm happy to go toe to toe with you on that score any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

So knock off the "you made me do it" act and take some responsibility in this matter.
 
Ive had multiple deals with this seller S Scuba69 and I look forward to dealing with him again in the future. From my own experiences with many buyers, after reading the OPs over the top unreasonable write up I will definitely be adding them to my ignore/dont deal with list.
 
"I know where you live" is a threat in about 99% of the populations thinking, no matter in what context you couch it.
 
Gastonknife said:
So did you actually post a pic of his house and say that? Scuba if you could post that to prove? How did the other buyers feel? Maybe one of them could post here. Ill refrain until more info.
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dericdesmond said:
Ive had multiple deals with this seller and I look forward to dealing with him again in the future. From my own experiences with many buyers, after reading the OPs over the top unreasonable write up I will definitely be adding them to my ignore/dont deal with list.
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+1

I obviously can't speak for the knife in question, or the OP.

I am qualified however, to speak in regards to the seller in question, character/ethics. I reached out to this seller (Perry) way back when he was newer member here. He was selling a few auto's/RMJ Hawks and a few other knives. We spoke at great length via 3 or 4 phone conversations. He's a really super awesome guy and sold everything at a significant loss (half of retail on a few these). Everything was shipped out very carefully packaged promptly after purchase and received within 2-3 days exactly as described. I remember around Christmas time, he ended up dropping his prices and sold of his LNIB Microtech Borka Stitch's, for $200 each. He's offered most of his collection at brotherly prices you rarely seldom ever see here.

Threats of any kind should not be tolerated.
 
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My simple 2 cents...

I have purchased more blades from this particular Seller than from any other single Seller on this forum, probably somewhere in the 35-40 blades range... including one of each of these Lotar Combat models (I received a preview). In my experience, his integrity is beyond reproach. I also recently received these two Lotar Combat knives, and do not feel that they are anything but authentic. Maybe these blades aren't the Buyer's bag, and that's ok, but these accusations are baseless. I am certain that if this matter had been handled differently (without the accusations), an amicable resolution would have been offered.

My thoughts, for what they're worth.

Enjoy your evening, everyone.
 
"This knife is defective or misrepresented" is a legit basis to request a refund from a BF seller, but IMO "it turns out I don't like the knife as it was manufactured" is not.
 
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