Dealers: What's the deal?

I will pay what I think is a fair price for a certain model... Sometimes that may be a little higher than I like, but if I want the knife and pay a high price, I have only myself to blame...

Supply & Demand...

Don't buy a model without doing at least some research on what a fair price is...

High prices are usually pretty easy to spot if you do a little research...

Word of mouth is a powerful tool with regards to any seller, be it a dealer, or someone who sells 2 knives a year; about both prices & descriptions...

I'll say it again: RESEARCH, DON'T BUY ON IMPULSE!!!
 
The way I look at it-- as far as dealer pricing.... in this situation......as a buyer, I think a dealer has the right to set his or her prices as hi or low as they want. It would be different if there was only one dealer but there are several and we can choose who we want to deal with. Also, if a dealer is charging way more for knives on the forum, it will help you when you need or want to sell one of your own knives because people might shop around and see how much less your charging for that knife then the dealer is and you will sell it quicker in that case. And you say you missed out on a cool knife that was in a Ganza and it's marked up?? Cmon, COOL KNIVES ARE GOING TO KEEP ON COMING OUT OF THE BUSSE SHOP NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO and there are many ways to score nice ones at fair prices and there always will be. AAAAh the beauty of capitalism on which this country which I love was built on! So....we can point the finger at the world and say it's supposed to change for me or we can point the finger at ourselves and adapt and overcome and ........................SHOP AROUND! IT'S FUN!
 
Hombre Secreto said:
I don't have anything against the dealers. I wish that the show system was set-up a bit differently, however.

I'd like to see some of the show knives knives offered online during the duration of the shows that Busse attends, and perhaps an order limit on these models. This would give people that can't attend or get a proxy a bit of a chance to get a knife at show prices.
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That would be the American way, easy & instant. Personally, I like the set up as is and Ive only been to two shows total in my life, Ive missed out on all kinds of good stuff but oh well, we wont run out of knives. People who go to the show take time out of their schedule (time = $), drive hundreds of miles, get a hotel, support the economy etc etc. What better way to treat those go getters by supplying them with an abundance of exclusive knives! The shows Busse attend is open to EVERYONE, if ya cant make it, well that sucks, trust me, I know.
 
If you want a knife for the same as the price tag, go to the show your self. Also remember you have to pay taxes. Then you have to consider your time (unless you live nearby) which could be between 2 -4 hrs by air and 2 - 24 hrs. if your driving. Both only if your on the mid and east coast and that's for one way only. Airline tickets if lucky maybe $250 - $450 round trip. Rental car is about $150 - $200. Even if your using your own car, gas fill up for a small car is about $40 (adrock1978, your in NJ -fill up 2Xs to get there). Stay for 3 nights $200 - $300. You want to save some money bring and make your own sandwishes for 3 days. It all adds up and on top of that they did all the leg work. What was the question? Something about at cost. Well your best bet is the ganzas and the production knives if you want it at cost. I'm not defending dealers in any way but just letting you know what they had to do to get the knives. Sometimes if you ask nicely and maybe they may give you a break, maybe.
 
I was wondering what this sentence means, must have a meaning...right?

Seems to come alive a couple of months ago and was also used by the BUSSE crowd.




I reserve the right to refuse sale to anyone without any explanation at all.
 
kenrunchen said:
If you want a knife for the same as the price tag, go to the show your self. Also remember you have to pay taxes. Then you have to consider your time (unless you live nearby) which could be between 2 -4 hrs by air and 2 - 24 hrs. if your driving. Both only if your on the mid and east coast and that's for one way only. Airline tickets if lucky maybe $250 - $450 round trip. Rental car is about $150 - $200. Even if your using your own car, gas fill up for a small car is about $40 (adrock1978, your in NJ -fill up 2Xs to get there). Stay for 3 nights $200 - $300. You want to save some money bring and make your own sandwishes for 3 days. It all adds up and on top of that they did all the leg work. What was the question? Something about at cost. Well your best bet is the ganzas and the production knives if you want it at cost. I'm not defending dealers in any way but just letting you know what they had to do to get the knives. Sometimes if you ask nicely and maybe they may give you a break, maybe.
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This is a very good answer. There are other costs that are involved besides the price tag of the knife.
 
Jerry has stated on more than one occasion that he sets Show Special pricing to reward those people who go to the trouble and expense of traveling to a show. So it seems to me that it is unrealistic to expect the same pricing at the same time via some on-line sale mechanism. You have to wait for a 'Ganza, or buy from a reseller. No one ever told you that life would be fair.

Sellers are free to set their own prices on the Exchange, and buyers are free to choose from whom they will buy, and at what price. That is called free enterprise, and it is foolish (IMO) to complain about free markets on this forum.

wrt your first question; AFAIK, Jerry has told Spark that it is OK for Busse dealers to post on the Busse Exchange instead of the Dealer exchange.


And I completely agree that it is VERY frustrating that the majority of sellers now remove the sale price from their thread. Just a few years ago it was rare, and now it seems to be the norm. I suspect all new folk think that is standard protocol, so they do it without being told/asked. They are mistaken, IMHO. I have been selling here for years and have NEVER had a buyer ask me to take down the price. I understand why a dealer would rather not have their selling/buying price available for a search, but outside of maybe six individuals, why should everyone else keep doing it?
 
On another discussion forum, I once read a WTB that went something like this:
"Looking to buy a (not Busse) knife without getting raped."

To which a reply from a member who read the WTB stated:
"It's not rape if you say YES."
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It is rape if the victim is 17 or under even if it is consensual.

What I'm getting at here is that newbs to the forums, even after research can't find the price information on certain knives. Say your new to the site and want this custom shop knife because you think it looks sharp, you can't find a price of one anywhere so you pull the trigger and buy one from a dealer thinking that you are getting a good deal because it's from a dealer. A month later you find out that you payed a $300 markup. Not that this is my experience buying my first busse or anything...

All I'm trying to say is that if you want to make money off knives. Either become a knife maker or get a shop where you get production knives wholesale...

Or just do what you want it tis after all a free country...

No hard feelings to anyone.
 
One of the hardest things to responde to in a logical and clear fashion in this issue is the negative emotional reactions. Regardless of the reasons I could give for why prices are marked as they , whether or It could be shown that the person marking the prices is not trying to steal money from you or take anything away from you or cause you any harm in any way - the response is almost always going to be the same:

"It isn't fair."
"It's not right."
"People shouldn't do business that way."

The biggest issue with trying to adress these emotional responses is that they are felt from the position of "How I want to be treated". No matter what is said to explain why the system is not directly harming you, why these are not life sustaining goods and thus you are not entitled to get the price you want for them, the core drive is going to override everything else.

"This isn't how I want to be treated."
"I want this at this price and can't get it. That makes me feel bad."

In order to get what you want you have to know the system and how to work it. The more enemies you have in your heart, the more stress you will have in your life, and the less healthy you will be. Approach this issue from a logical and real world solution direction and you will get results. Approach it from an emotional perspective and you'll just end up with higher blood pressure. Of all the things I've read about how to live longer, this is the only one that seems to be true across all of humanity:
http://www.npr.org/2011/04/11/135216852/want-to-live-to-100-try-to-bounce-back-from-stress
 
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TheBladeMaster said:
All I'm trying to say is that if you want to make money off knives. Either become a knife maker or get a shop where you get production knives wholesale...
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No hard feelings here either but that was good for a laugh skeletor. Shops these days are about obsolete (and it aint cuz of Busse as they sell direct). Good luck.
 
demoteamone said:
I reserve the right to refuse sale to anyone without any explanation at all.
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As an example of a reason why you would refuse to sell to a buyer:
A person you know sells a knife to a person, they respond that there are scratches all over the knife and that they were sold the product under false pretenses. This person also states that they scrubbed the knife before looking at it. The person you know says that the knife was dead mint when they shipped it with no visible scratches under any light. In the end the person is refunded their money including shipping costs and the seller eats all additional costs, sending it back to busse to have it cleaned up and restored to what he says is the condition he shipped it out in.

Would you want to sell to that person? If you do not say in your sale "I reserve the right to refuse sale to anyone without any explanation at all" then that person could post a complaint against you that you are arbitrarily denying him the right to purchase a knife from you, which would diminish your public reputation. If you did post that statement in your sale, you would at least have the ability to save a small bit of face during the public hassle later on.
 
No hard feelings here either but that was good for a laugh skeletor. Shops these days are about obsolete (and it aint cuz of Busse as they sell direct). Good luck.
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Ok ok lol, forget the shop become a knife maker.
 
Regardless of any other issue stated above, I feel that anyone doing business as a dealer should not be posting items for sale in the individual section. I see a lack of moderation with respect to this.
 
Arakiel said:
Regardless of any other issue stated above, I feel that anyone doing business as a dealer should not be posting items for sale in the individual section. I see a lack of moderation with respect to this.
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Moderators have directly adressed the issue in the past, the current state is the result of their decisions. It is not a lack of moderation, it is a choice made by moderators. I would personally like things better if the dealers would go back over all of their posts and remove dead links/references to links though. That would make searches a lot easier.
 
Arakiel said:
Regardless of any other issue stated above, I feel that anyone doing business as a dealer should not be posting items for sale in the individual section. I see a lack of moderation with respect to this.
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resinguy said:
wrt your first question; AFAIK, Jerry has told Spark that it is OK for Busse dealers to post on the Busse Exchange instead of the Dealer exchange.
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In case you missed it.
 
Last Visible Canary said:
Moderators have directly adressed the issue in the past, the current state is the result of their decisions. It is not a lack of moderation, it is a choice made by moderators. I would personally like things better if the dealers would go back over all of their posts and remove dead links/references to links though. That would make searches a lot easier.
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Understood and agreed. Should there be a sticky generated to this effect?
 
It sound like a premonition to me.

Thanks


Last Visible Canary said:
As an example of a reason why you would refuse to sell to a buyer:
A person you know sells a knife to a person, they respond that there are scratches all over the knife and that they were sold the product under false pretenses. This person also states that they scrubbed the knife before looking at it. The person you know says that the knife was dead mint when they shipped it with no visible scratches under any light. In the end the person is refunded their money including shipping costs and the seller eats all additional costs, sending it back to busse to have it cleaned up and restored to what he says is the condition he shipped it out in.

Would you want to sell to that person? If you do not say in your sale "I reserve the right to refuse sale to anyone without any explanation at all" then that person could post a complaint against you that you are arbitrarily denying him the right to purchase a knife from you, which would diminish your public reputation. If you did post that statement in your sale, you would at least have the ability to save a small bit of face during the public hassle later on.
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Arakiel said:
Understood and agreed. Should there be a sticky generated to this effect?
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Sticky clutter is a bit of a problem here =/, even with the consolidation sticky. It would have to be up to public/moderator opinion if it was worth adding to the consolidation sticky.
 
dericdesmond,

AFAIK, this is Spark's forum site. It is Spark who should decide what is acceptable, not Jerry. Bladeforums would not dissapear without the support of Busse/kin. Perhaps it would suffer in sponsorship, but it would survive. It should be considered a privelidge to conduct business here, not a right no matter how much funding has been contributed. The day that Busse has the support to dictate is the day that Bladeforums becomes Busseforums and should change ownership to the latter.
Correct me if I am wrong.
 
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