Dealers: What's the deal?

I dont even know where to start... :confused: kinda got derailed. I guess question one was answered. Busse exclusive dealers were allowed to sell in the busse specific exchange. Makes sense. Question two was cleared up. That makes sense too. I'm not sure question three was answered regarding dealers and the same new knives but I guess it's easy enough to just say "They can charge what they want"

Seems like my fourth question has quite a debate behind it.
 
Jeez, this again. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. I really don't see what the big deal is.

If someone goes to a show, buys a knife and then posts it for sale $500 above what he bought it for, so frickin' what? Just don't buy it if you don't like the price!
 
adrock1978 said:
I dont even know where to start... :confused: kinda got derailed. I guess question one was answered. Busse exclusive dealers were allowed to sell in the busse specific exchange. Makes sense. Question two was cleared up. That makes sense too. I'm not sure question three was answered regarding dealers and the same new knives but I guess it's easy enough to just say "They can charge what they want"

Seems like my fourth question has quite a debate behind it.
Click to expand...

If you mean "why hide the price?", I can't comment. I don't like doing that, and usually slide the sold prices to the bottom of my FS thread posts to be left for the record. :)
 
adrock1978 said:
Also... it really drives me crazy when people remove the asking price after a knife is sold. How are people supposed to determine going rate or fair asking prices? I mean... if you over inflate a knife price, and someone buys it... so be it. Why hide the price?
Click to expand...

It may not be convenient, and it sometimes bugs me too, but it's a private deal. Very often private emails or messages are exchanged and the posted price is not what the knife sold or traded for. Sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less, but it is a private deal.
 
This thread is making me feel dumberer by the minute. Hope those in search of the sacred treasure find it.
 
For me, the main reason I don't do much secondary-market buying is description. When a knife is listed as mint, never used, carried and etc..., that's what I expect; not obvious sharpening or sheath scratches on the blade (that, for some reason, don't show with a camera):rolleyes: and etcetera... - if you are a dealer (or any seller), you should know better. I know the buyer can complain, or do this, or that, but it all comes down to properly describing your sale! I shouldn't have to take the time to make a fuss - hence I rarely buy anywhere but from the store...
:yawn:
 
Last edited:
dericdesmond said:
This thread is making me feel dumberer by the minute. Hope those in search of the sacred treasure find it.
Click to expand...

Hey, c'mon! 65+ posts and I haven't had to lock it or hand out the dreaded red cards... For a thread on this topic or similar X related topics, this HAS to be some kind of record...right? ;):thumbup:

BlackNinja said:
For me, the main reason I don't do much secondary-market buying is description. When a knife is listed as mint, never used, carried and etc..., that's what I expect; not obvious sharpening or sheath scratches on the blade (that, for some reason, don't show with a camera):rolleyes: and etcetera... - if you are a dealer, you should know better. I know the buyer can complain, or do this, or that, but it all comes down to properly describing your sale! I shouldn't have to take the time to make a fuss - hence I rarely buy anywhere but from the store...
:yawn:
Click to expand...

Not just Dealers... EVERY person selling items here should know better.
 
adrock1978 said:
I'm not sure question three was answered regarding dealers and the same new knives but I guess it's easy enough to just say "They can charge what they want"
Click to expand...

It's a market position, not necessarily just 'charge what you want'. You charge the highest premium that is still likely to result in a sale within a given amount of time. The higher the price, the longer it is likely to take to find a buyer willing to pay the higher price. As a buyer it matters when you see a person selling a new knife at 300$ and another selling it at 600$, you will likely buy the 300$ one. If thats the case, your not the demographic that the seller of the 600$ knife is looking for - the seller is:

-looking for someone who wants the specific features of the knife they are selling (thickness, finish, handle color)
-waiting for the 300$ knife to be purchased so that their knife will be the only one present on the market making the price 'take it or leave it'
-waiting for someone who sees the 600$ knife and does not notice the 300$ knife

Back in 2004 to 2005 there was a lull in the market when busse was revamping the line and introducing new models, it was during this time (2003-2004) that the fbm was first being intoduced. the only models on the market were SHBM's and BME's. I saw SHBM's go for 300$ during this time.

Now, take the seller who posts his SHBM for 1,200$, you might think "what the heck is that guys problem? thats 4x the cost of that guys SHBM in the same condition", and that would be valid from the perspective of a buyer, but not necessarily from the perspective of the seller. He isn't looking at you (someone who wants the lowest cost) as his sale demographic - he's looking for a buyer who wants his particular knife (which may be dead mint, or whatever) at his price. There are several things that can cause a market condition where such buyers are more likely: and it did happen.

Several SHBM's have sold for 1,200$. All that seller had to do was wait. So what seems like a ridiculous overpricing to you has ended up being a functional market process and tactic for the seller.
 
Jaxx said:
Hey, c'mon! 65+ posts and I haven't had to lock it or hand out the dreaded red cards... For a thread on this topic or similar X related topics, this HAS to be some kind of record...right? ;):thumbup:
Click to expand...


Right :thumbup:
Jaxx said:

Not just Dealers... EVERY person selling items here should know better.
Click to expand...
+1,000,000 :D Jaxx is the fricken voice of reason tonight :p :thumbup:
 
Last Visible Canary said:
It's a market position, not necessarily just 'charge what you want'. You charge the highest premium that is still likely to result in a sale within a given amount of time. The higher the price, the longer it is likely to take to find a buyer willing to pay the higher price. As a buyer it matters when you see a person selling a new knife at 300$ and another selling it at 600$, you will likely buy the 300$ one. If thats the case, your not the demographic that the seller of the 600$ knife is looking for - the seller is:

-looking for someone who wants the specific features of the knife they are selling (thickness, finish, handle color)
-waiting for the 300$ knife to be purchased so that their knife will be the only one present on the market making the price 'take it or leave it'
-waiting for someone who sees the 600$ knife and does not notice the 300$ knife

Back in 2004 to 2005 there was a lull in the market when busse was revamping the line and introducing new models, it was during this time (2003-2004) that the fbm was first being intoduced. the only models on the market were SHBM's and BME's. I saw SHBM's go for 300$ during this time.

Now, take the seller who posts his SHBM for 1,200$, you might think "what the heck is that guys problem? thats 4x the cost of that guys SHBM in the same condition", and that would be valid from the perspective of a buyer, but not necessarily from the perspective of the seller. He isn't looking at you (someone who wants the lowest cost) as his sale demographic - he's looking for a buyer who wants his particular knife (which may be dead mint, or whatever) at his price. There are several things that can cause a market condition where such buyers are more likely: and it did happen.

Several SHBM's have sold for 1,200$. All that seller had to do was wait. So what seems like a ridiculous overpricing to you has ended up being a functional market process and tactic for the seller.
Click to expand...

I guess the short version, predicated on busse not having a constant production line up, is this:

why would someone price their knife 4x higher then the guy next to him? because he will eventually sell it.


EDIT: apparently this was not clear. In no way do I intend this to be read as "Because all knives will sell at 4x their msrp every time." I intended this to read as "Because he will probably sell it. eventually." I apologize for not using completely accurate phrasing.
 
Last edited:
Jaxx said:
Not just Dealers... EVERY person selling items here should know better.[/SIZE]
Click to expand...

I thought I put “or any seller” in parentheses in there, but apparently not, whoops. :o That is exactly right, IMO (and yours, and deric’s)…
You ARE the man in this thread Jaxx, I’m in agreement with about every one of your posts! :thumbup::thumbup:
 
Last Visible Canary said:
He will as long as the market allows it, as shown by the case of the 1,200$ SHBM. It just took 5 years.
Click to expand...

Be as it may I’m going to speculate there are few fellas sitting on Busse blades unable to get back what they've put in. Again, you still need to be lucky with your model selection.
 
Since we live in a constitutional republic that functions with a quasi-socialistic "free-market" system, can't we just overhaul the for sale forum to reflect what works so well for our country?

Instead of people being allowed to set prices themselves, we should have a governing body dictate to them what price they should sell their own property at. This governing body should also collect a tax from all transactions so they can set up a plan to subsidize those individuals who cannot afford to purchase a Busse. Because, let's face it Gentlemen, owning a Busse is a right, not a privilege.

If this governing body gets too big and costly, we can just increase the tax on those who earn money from selling Busses to pay for the governing body. Bottom line, we need regulation and price fixing to ensure everyone can purchase the Busse they want. Sorry, that they deserve.

I think this is the best option.

(Obviously, this is a joke, and not meant to be anything but that. I say this because sometimes people can't tell and get upset).
 
This is about adrock being upset because he doesn't want to pay the price on the knives he'd like to buy (just a hunch). So with markets behaving as they do, you will not buy one (maybe you will) and the seller will find another buyer and the deal is done. Next knife might try to fetch the same, but find it won't sell for months.. THE MARKET WILL DETERMINE WHAT A KNIFE IS WORTH. So.. deal with it.. plus this forum.. is open to the public as a service now being paid for by myself and others. Find a knife in your budget and be happy you are able to have free speech and the ability to purchase a knife or not... cheers.


====

This IS nice, so no bunched panties, k? :E
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top