Dear Benchmade,

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Dear Benchmade,

You will have many more loyal customers and see your profits increase if you

1. Bring back the AFCK

2. Offer the Griptilian in G10

3. Start using more flat grinds

4. Do away with most thumb studs and use holes...you know like spyderco?

5. Actually sharpen the knives you sell so your customers don't have to sharpen their new knives.

6. Stop using hollow grinds....forever

7. Offer the Axis lock on every knife you sell

8. Offer a better selection of steels

Did I miss anything fellas?
 
Dear Benchmade,

You will have many more loyal customers and see your profits increase if you

1. Bring back the AFCK

2. Offer the Griptilian in G10

3. Start using more flat grinds

4. Do away with most thumb studs and use holes...you know like spyderco?

5. Actually sharpen the knives you sell so your customers don't have to sharpen their new knives.

6. Stop using hollow grinds....forever

7. Offer the Axis lock on every knife you sell

8. Offer a better selection of steels

Did I miss anything fellas?

Dear Benchmade,

Please ignore the list above. Except number 2....that one can stay
 
Umm I like hollow grinds and thumb studs, but you are entitled to your opinion just as I am to mine
 
Yes.

You missed posting it on the Benchmade company forum, where they might actually read it.
The opening hole belongs to Spyderco. Benchmade should get agreement before just taking it.
They use a wide selection of steels already.

I'll let someone else comment on the others.
 
Benchmade uses M4, 154CM, 440C, X15TN, S30V, Damascus, a Chromium steel (can't remember off the top of my head), and D2. Did I miss any?

Hallow grinds are AMAZING in my opinion. They slice really well, and can be sharpened easier in my experience.

The thumb stud is usually well placed on their knives, and they have the ability to make it so the blade doesn't protrude far from the handle, like in their 530 model, with them.

The G10 would kick ass.

Their knives are often some of the sharpest I get out of box.

Flat grinds and Axis locks don't work on every knife. The diversity of locks and styles makes Benchmade the company it is. If a car company ONLY made cars in Red, with V6's, and manual transmissions, that company would sink. Benchmade makes knives for EVERY class of knife buyer. Red class for the people who don't care, and just want a good knife, all the way to Gold for the person who wants a collection piece.
 
Does offering the Axis lock on every model mean it should be an optional upgrade, over and above whatever lock the knife might originally come with? You realize the time, effort and cost it would entail to reengineer non-Axis knives to fit that lock, assuming it's possible at all? And you know where all of that cost will be passed on, right? Directly to you and all the other loyal customers.
 
Yeah, I probably went a bit overboard with wanting more steel choices. However, vg10 would be nice

I just got a new Grip two days ago and it was beyond dull. It would cut paper but barely. It was more of a controlled shred.
 
Dear Benchmade,

You will have many more loyal customers and see your profits increase if you

1. Bring back the AFCK

Just not a axis lock

2. Offer the Griptilian in G10

I'd try it, no promises.

3. Start using more flat grinds

I like this one

4. Do away with most thumb studs and use holes...you know like spyderco?

Yeah, let's do away with copyright and trademark law while you're at it. Better to actually license the round hole.

5. Actually sharpen the knives you sell so your customers don't have to sharpen their new knives.

Haven't had a problem with OOB sharpness on Benchmades. But I only had two.

6. Stop using hollow grinds....forever

Why?

7. Offer the Axis lock on every knife you sell

:barf::barf::barf::barf::thumbdn::thumbdn: Sorry if I'm a bit flummoxed by why you'd want nothing other then an Axis lock.

8. Offer a better selection of steels

Pretty good selection there.

Did I miss anything fellas?

Not sure if you "missed" anything, more like a list of personal objections to the majority of Benchmade's product line.
 
Dear Benchmade,

You will have many more loyal customers and see your profits increase if you

1. Bring back the AFCK

2. Offer the Griptilian in G10

3. Start using more flat grinds

4. Do away with most thumb studs and use holes...you know like spyderco?

5. Actually sharpen the knives you sell so your customers don't have to sharpen their new knives.

6. Stop using hollow grinds....forever

7. Offer the Axis lock on every knife you sell

8. Offer a better selection of steels

Did I miss anything fellas?

How can all the knives use an axis-lock when you want the AFCK to be made, the AFCK is properly a liner-lock. Also, the axis-lock 806 apparently didn't sell enough to justify continued production.

A G10 Griptilian may be a nice idea, but I don't think such a knife would be a "Griptilian" anymore. I no longer consider my Wilkins scaled knife to be a "Griptilian".

Some people don't like the design driving "hole" in a blade method of providing an way to open a knife. And, no, for utility purposes Spyderco does not "own" the "hole". I often wonder how sleek some designs would be without the feature.

Benchmade already makes flat gound knives and that grind isn't considered "perfection".

And Benchmade offers knives in a variety of steels, already.
 
I should hardly think Benchmade would consider it an insult to have people asking them to bring back the AFCK in a regular way, no matter the lock configuration. I also fail to see why the second poster said no to this one but yes to a g-10 griptilian.

Zero
 
How can all the knives use an axis-lock when you want the AFCK to be made, the AFCK is properly a liner-lock. Also, the axis-lock 806 apparently didn't sell enough to justify continued production.

A G10 Griptilian may be a nice idea, but I don't think such a knife would be a "Griptilian" anymore. I no longer consider my Wilkins scaled knife to be a "Griptilian".

Some people don't like the design driving "hole" in a blade method of providing an way to open a knife. And, no, for utility purposes Spyderco does not "own" the "hole". I often wonder how sleek some designs would be without the feature.

Benchmade already makes flat gound knives and that grind isn't considered "perfection".

And Benchmade offers knives in a variety of steels, already.

I'm curious as to your reasoning. What are "utility" purposes? It's a trademark on top of everything else.

Do you have a preference towards hollow ground knives?
 
I don't think Benchmade licenses the hole. At least I hope they don't, that would be silly.
 
How does the OP feel he has the inside scoop on the loyalty of Benchmade's customers as well as its profitability? If you are that clever, start your own knife company and make yourself some money. Otherwise, be a little less dogmatic in your posts/claims/consultations about Benchmade. OTOH, I would like a Griptilian in G10.:D
 
I'm curious as to your reasoning. What are "utility" purposes? It's a trademark on top of everything else.

Do you have a preference towards hollow ground knives?

"Utility purposes", like openng a knife blade. If a trademark has utility, the courts will not uphold a trademark. For example, the "Coca-Cola" symbol is a trademark, as is the Niki "swish" - ornamental features on the products being sold.

"Utility patents are for products of some use. In general, a utility patent protects the way an invention is used and works. Utility patents may be granted to anyone who invents a new and useful method, process, machine, device, manufactured item, or chemical compound - or any new and useful improvement to the same."

What is "utility"? Some funtional use other than ornamentation.

"A design patent protects only the ornamental appearance of an invention, not its utilitarian features. A utility patent would protect the way an article is used and works."

"Trademarks are a distinctive name, symbol, motto, or design that legally identifies a company or its products and services, and sometimes prevents others from using identical or similar marks." A showing that a trademark has significant utility would more than likely result in the trademark rights being taken away.

U.S. Trademark 74624039 is for the circular hole in the blade. This trademark would not be issued today due to a change in rules in 1998.

"1202.02(a)(ii) Purpose of Functionality Doctrine
The functionality doctrine, which prohibits registration of functional product features, is intended to encourage legitimate competition by maintaining the proper balance between trademark law and patent law. As the Supreme Court explained, in Qualitex Co. v. Jacobson Products Co., Inc., 514 U.S. 159, 164-165, 34 USPQ2d 1161, 1163 (1995):

The functionality doctrine prevents trademark law, which seeks to promote competition by protecting a firm’s reputation, from instead inhibiting legitimate competition by allowing a producer to control a useful product feature. It is the province of patent law, not trademark law, to encourage invention by granting inventors a monopoly over new product designs or functions for a limited time, 35 U.S.C. §§154, 173, after which competitors are free to use the innovation. If a product’s functional features could be used as trademarks, however, a monopoly over such features could be obtained without regard to whether they qualify as patents and could be extended forever (because trademarks may be renewed in perpetuity).

In other words, the functionality doctrine ensures that protection for utilitarian product features be properly sought through a limited-duration utility patent, and not through the potentially unlimited protection of a trademark registration. Upon expiration of a utility patent, the invention covered by the patent enters the public domain, and the functional features disclosed in the patent may then be copied by others – thus encouraging advances in product design and manufacture. In TrafFix Devices, Inc. v. Marketing Displays, Inc., 532 U.S. 23, 34-35, 58 USPQ2d 1001, 1007 (2001), the Supreme Court reiterated this rationale, also noting that the functionality doctrine is not affected by evidence of acquired distinctiveness.

Thus, even where the evidence establishes that consumers have come to associate a functional product feature with a single source, trademark protection will not be granted in light of the public policy reasons stated. Id."


No preference for hollow grinds - it all depends on the knife and for what the knife is used for. I like the Leafstorm, for example, with its hollow grind - a decent knife small knife design.
 
To be honest, I don't see how Spyderco can have a trademark on a hole. It is, afterall, a hole. No one invented a hole. Spyderco just found a novel ideal of placing a hole in a certain part of the blade.

Can you really trademark a hole? Maybe they're trademarking the location of the hole?
 
"Utility purposes", like openng a knife blade. If a trademark has utility, the courts will not uphold a trademark. For example, the "Coca-Cola" symbol is a trademark, as is the Niki "swish" - ornamental features on the products being sold.

"Utility patents are for products of some use. In general, a utility patent protects the way an invention is used and works. Utility patents may be granted to anyone who invents a new and useful method, process, machine, device, manufactured item, or chemical compound - or any new and useful improvement to the same."

What is "utility"? Some funtional use other than ornamentation.

"A design patent protects only the ornamental appearance of an invention, not its utilitarian features. A utility patent would protect the way an article is used and works."

"Trademarks are a distinctive name, symbol, motto, or design that legally identifies a company or its products and services, and sometimes prevents others from using identical or similar marks." A showing that a trademark has significant utility would more than likely result in the trademark rights being taken away.

U.S. Trademark 74624039 is for the circular hole in the blade. This trademark would not be issued today due to a change in rules in 1998.

"1202.02(a)(ii) Purpose of Functionality Doctrine
The functionality doctrine, which prohibits registration of functional product features, is intended to encourage legitimate competition by maintaining the proper balance between trademark law and patent law. As the Supreme Court explained, in Qualitex Co. v. Jacobson Products Co., Inc., 514 U.S. 159, 164-165, 34 USPQ2d 1161, 1163 (1995):

The functionality doctrine prevents trademark law, which seeks to promote competition by protecting a firm’s reputation, from instead inhibiting legitimate competition by allowing a producer to control a useful product feature. It is the province of patent law, not trademark law, to encourage invention by granting inventors a monopoly over new product designs or functions for a limited time, 35 U.S.C. §§154, 173, after which competitors are free to use the innovation. If a product’s functional features could be used as trademarks, however, a monopoly over such features could be obtained without regard to whether they qualify as patents and could be extended forever (because trademarks may be renewed in perpetuity).

In other words, the functionality doctrine ensures that protection for utilitarian product features be properly sought through a limited-duration utility patent, and not through the potentially unlimited protection of a trademark registration. Upon expiration of a utility patent, the invention covered by the patent enters the public domain, and the functional features disclosed in the patent may then be copied by others – thus encouraging advances in product design and manufacture. In TrafFix Devices, Inc. v. Marketing Displays, Inc., 532 U.S. 23, 34-35, 58 USPQ2d 1001, 1007 (2001), the Supreme Court reiterated this rationale, also noting that the functionality doctrine is not affected by evidence of acquired distinctiveness.

Thus, even where the evidence establishes that consumers have come to associate a functional product feature with a single source, trademark protection will not be granted in light of the public policy reasons stated. Id."


No preference for hollow grinds - it all depends on the knife and for what the knife is used for. I like the Leafstorm, for example, with its hollow grind - a decent knife small knife design.

I wonder if I started making cutouts of the Nike Swoosh on a blade and used that as an opening feature if Nike would have anything to say about that.

Some good reading there. :thumbup:
 
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