Dear Busse Combat Knives isent my money good enough?

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I've been working in the international courier biz for 30 years now, the biggest increase in recent volume isn't just from people who sell on the web but from people overseas who buy on the web in the US from sellers who won't ship internationally. At at a recent international custom's conference we learned that only 8% of the packages traveling to the EU via the usps are inspected by eu customs because everything is still being treated as regular "mail"... customs in the eu is under pressure to change this practice but they don't have the resources to do so.

I'm also a big knife enthusiast having grown up as a fur trapper in west texas and have shipped many many knives and bayonets into the eu without a problem as long as they weren't too large.. i've had people try to get us to ship large boxes full of swords but have declined them, the game is ruined quickly when you get greedy.

Anyway, if i were living overseas and wanted to purchase from the US i'd do one of the following:

1. for shippers willing to ship overseas i'd have them use the usps international priority mail service with tracking declaring the knife as a kitchen knife or utensil for a reasonable value ($50-$100).. declaring "gift" for a zero value only flags the box for inspection

2. for shipping who do not ship overseas i'd get an american address using a package forwarding service. Shipping within the USA is usually cheap to free and (depending on the forwarder) the rates from the USA to export are lower than published rates and i could combine items into one box to prevent multiple shipping charges.

A couple of people here have already mentioned some of the better-known services, you can compare them an others at this blog: http://www.usa-package-forwarding-comparison.com/ - i'm not affiliated but encourage people to check it out before committing to the wrong service.

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kurodrago said:
That' is an hypothesis not an answer. It's like saying Busse can't sell to Sweden Army.
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Since any response to the question 'why won't jerry ship this item to a foreign country' that doesn't come directly from Jerry Busse himself will be, by definition, a 'hypothesis' I'm not sure why that's worth pointing out.
 
OP- I used to ship to my Euro buds quite often and I would help you out but funds are low. LOW. Don't give up! Good luck.
Rolf
 
Interesting thread. Since the OP of this thread stated in one of his later posts that Daggers could not legally be shipped to Sweden...wouldn't that also negate sending the AALB to Sweden because the AALB features two sharpened edges?

I know that here in Pennsylvania it would be considered a dagger in addition to being a knuckle knife. Both illegal to CARRY in PA. but, NOT to possess or collect.

Though in Pennsylvania the AALB can legally be shipped here because it is legal to own and collect.

BUT, if I ever wanted to legally carry it in Pennsylvania I would need to cut off the Knuckles and flatten (or dull) the secondary edge so that it could/would no longer be defined by State law as a dagger or KNUCKLE type weapon.

That is why I would never risk sending one off to Sweden.
 
Bullcarver said:
Interesting thread. Since the OP of this thread stated in one of his later posts that Daggers could not legally be shipped to Sweden...wouldn't that also negate sending the AALB to Sweden because the AALB features two sharpened edges?

I know that here in Pennsylvania it would be considered a dagger in addition to being a knuckle knife. Both illegal to CARRY in PA. but, NOT to possess or collect.

Though in Pennsylvania the AALB can legally be shipped here because it is legal to own and collect.

BUT, if I ever wanted to legally carry it in Pennsylvania I would need to cut off the Knuckles and flatten (or dull) the secondary edge so that it could/would no longer be defined by State law as a dagger or KNUCKLE type weapon.

That is why I would never risk sending one off to Sweden.
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Daggers is totaly fine to own here. tho not to carry(unless you can motivte the need, beeing a hunter for exempel on the way to a hunt, you could get away with it), so i guess its kinda simular then, never said daggers is illegal to own here.
 
My apologies that was Kaizen1 that was quoted in an earlier post.
My only point being that the AALB would be classified as a dagger due to it having two sharpened edges.

Hey Folks,
"I recently tried to ship a fixed blade to Sweden through USPS and they told me that Sweden doesn't allow "Daggers, knives & weapons to be shipped to them with no exceptions".

International shipping prohibitions

Country Conditions for Mailing — Sweden
Prohibitions (130)

Arms and weapons.

Daggers and flick knives.

Firing caps and charged metal cartridges for small arms and artillery fuses.

Human remains.

Live plants and animals.

Lottery tickets and advertisements concerning lotteries.

Radioactive materials.
 
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Bullcarver said:
My apologies that was Kaizen1 that was quoted in an earlier post.
My only point being that the AALB would be classified as a dagger due to it having two sharpened edges.

Hey Folks,
"I recently tried to ship a fixed blade to Sweden through USPS and they told me that Sweden doesn't allow "Daggers, knives & weapons to be shipped to them with no exceptions".

International shipping prohibitions

Country Conditions for Mailing — Sweden
Prohibitions (130)

Arms and weapons.

Daggers and flick knives.

Firing caps and charged metal cartridges for small arms and artillery fuses.

Human remains.

Live plants and animals.

Lottery tickets and advertisements concerning lotteries.

Radioactive materials.
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Daggers and flick knifes is legal here, thats a case of USPS trolling a customer / mixing Sweden up with switzerland (wouldent be the first time US person do that, no offence :) ) only knives you need special permit to import is Switchblades and Balisongs.
 
Virre87 said:
Daggers and flick knifes is legal here, thats a case of USPS trolling a customer / mixing Sweden up with switzerland (wouldent be the first time US person do that, no offence :) ) only knives you need special permit to import is Switchblades and Balisongs.
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Bottom line is USPS doesnt allow it:

http://pe.usps.gov/text/Imm/ps_038.htm

Only way someone could make an AA via USPS to Sweden is to lie on the shippers declaration, which puts the shipper in line for criminal charges. If you have an issue with that you should be emailing the USPS and not the Busse forum.
 
Nuke41 said:
If you have an issue with that you should be emailing the USPS and not the Busse forum.
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That's kind of the whole point of posting on the busse forums - because he didn't know why Busse Combat wasn't willing to ship to him. There was no indication in the response he got from Busse that would lead someone to believe that it was because of a particular USPS prohibition or restriction. You seem to be saying that he should retroactively know the answer to his question and thus have never post here (not physically possible), and instead go to the USPS since busse has nothing to do with it. And yet it still isn't that simple - Busse could modify their description (unlikely, illegal) or use another service like FedEx so his question is still valid here on the Busse forum. Why would you send someone away from the forum for asking something like 'does Busse ship knives via FedEx?' when it's so easy to just answer their question.

Theres a lot of "go somewhere else" in this thread - if a person has a legitimate question about Busse Combat it should be answered here, not sent somewhere else as though it was an insult to question anything related to the company or its knives. That's why this forum exists. Yes I get it that "is my money not good enough?" is a bad phrasing that lends itself to negativity - but the questions presented by his situation affect multiple people under multiple circumstances, and it isn't just "go ask someone else". There are multiple solutions that would avoid the USPS restictions without going against any international rules or laws - solutions that Busse could provide: If the customer is informed about them. But that's probably not going to happen if you just tell them to go somewhere else because it's not our problem.
 
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I live in Sweden as well. The knife laws here are a bit fuzzy to say the least. But there was a case in 2001 that made it all the way to the supreme court. It was against a person importing knuckle duster knives among other things. He lost in court and all the knives were confiscated. The knives got ruled as illegal because of the knuckle duster feature. For those who understand Swedish you can read the whole court report here.
https://lagen.nu/dom/nja/2005s523
 
Ok guys, this one goes out to buyers of knifes in the fighting category in Sweden and Norway ..

Step 1 : If you live in Norway or Sweden what you need to do is go to your local Police station and get a permit to buy and import the knife, this permit will be a permit for this specific knife only. (If you don't have a collectors license you must get one first) The collectors license only allows you to buy fighting knifes and such within the country you live, It is basically a licence to own and not a licence to buy and import..

Step 2 : Now that you have your collectors license and your licence/permit to buy the knife you contact the seller and explain the situation and send them copies of the paperwork you got from the police. this paperwork does not have to go with the shipment but it does not hurt if it is included..

Step 3 : The shipment NEEDS TO BE DESCRIBED AS A SHIPMENT OF A WEAPON same as if you where buying a gun.. when the guys in customs see they have package with a weapon in it they will contact you and you need to go to the customs office and show them your permit/license (Fedex has the fastest customs office) they will work out the import tax you need to pay and send you a bill for it later.. (DO NOT TRY TO USE USPS FOR SHIPPING WEAPONS.. USE FEDEX,UPS OR DHL)

Step 4 : all is now well and you got your knife but if you are going to sell the knife make sure the buyer has a collectors licence..

Step 5 : GET DRUNK
 
Why doesn't someone from BUSSE give the man a straight answer? I think he is owed that much.
 
suttond said:
Why doesn't someone from BUSSE give the man a straight answer? I think he is owed that much.
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What part of "We don't ship the AALB overseas" is hard to understand?

I understand that it can be frustrating for foreign buyers when a person or company refuses to ship to them, but that's life.
 
suttond said:
Why doesn't someone from BUSSE give the man a straight answer? I think he is owed that much.
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Busse may not know that this thread exists or that a more detailed answer is being asked for by the Virre87. Because the USPS restriction code has been shown in this thread by Nuke41 it seems clear that the reason they would avoid it is because their standard shipping method is through the USPS and there is a restriction on the knife as it is declared a weapon.

UffDa said:
What part of "We don't ship the AALB overseas" is hard to understand?

I understand that it can be frustrating for foreign buyers when a person or company refuses to ship to them, but that's life.
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The why part, because there is no explanation of why in the statement. That was the entire purpose of this thread.
 
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The why part, because there is no explanation of why in the statement. That was the entire purpose of this thread.
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The why part has been discussed ad nauseum for 3 pages. It's illegal. The fact that a foreign buyer may think that it's legal and is frustrated has no bearing on the matter.
If Virre87 is unsatisfied with the response he got for Busse, he should take that up with them instead of posting his complaint here. (IMHO, of course)
 
UffDa said:
The why part has been discussed ad nauseum for 3 pages. It's illegal. The fact that a foreign buyer may think that it's legal and is frustrated has no bearing on the matter.
If Virre87 is unsatisfied with the response he got for Busse, he should take that up with them instead of posting his complaint here. (IMHO, of course)
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"We don't ship the AALB overseas" can be 'difficult to understand' if your under the impression that it's legal and there shouldn't be any restricting factors at play. Thus you'd inquire further about 'why'.
"It's restricted by the USPS for shipment to your country under this code, and we only use USPS services" is very easy to understand. However the link to the actual code restriction wasn't posted until post 49 earlier this morning, it was the first instant of a direct citation of the likely reason 'why'. That's why the discussion continued.

I've contacted busse many times over the last 9.5 years, I had a running 2 knife order with them for 5 years so I know what their email times are like. It can take a week or more to receive an answers , or longer depending on who your contacting and what the business is like at the moment (In the past I've waited several weeks). If you want a quick answers , it's not always possible unless you call the shop and talk to a physical person in real time - and even if you do you might be able to get an answer. If Garth has to answer the question you might have to wait for the email response. And the buyer is in sweden so an international call might not be an viable option financially or logistically. If you've asked why and you've waited 8 days without any response, it is absolutely reasonable to go to the community forum and ask 'hey guys, whats your experience with this?'

otherwise, why is this forum here if not to be a location for trading information and experiences about the company, it's products and it's practices?
 
i got a collecting license and can kinda much import anything i want as long its not a projectile weapon.
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lol @ the non-projectile collecting license.

If I was a company I'd be scared too. Not worth the lawyer fees.....

EDIT: sweden on the other hand....

Still, lawyers are expensive. If I was bussie I'd create a waiting list. Once the cost was justified, hire a lawyer and ship knives. Might take a few years but still... no harm in waiting lists.
 
UffDa said:
What part of "We don't ship the AALB overseas" is hard to understand?

I understand that it can be frustrating for foreign buyers when a person or company refuses to ship to them, but that's life.
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Finally........ the voice of reason.

The OP started this thread with an aggressive and condescending attitude........just look at the title of the thread..........

Busse have taken a decision not to ship the AA outside of the US. What more needs to be said?

The OP received a pleasant polite reply from Busse declining his order. He was not singled out, it is Busse policy not to ship this item internationally.

His insinuations that "My money is not good enough" is condescending and insulting to the good people at Busse who do their jobs with excellence and with care. They are simply enforcing the companies shipping policy which is reasonable and within the boundaries of the law.
 
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