Death of an Ontario SP8

omenwolf said:
None of the above. No secret agenda or black helicopters, just felt like sharing but hey thanx for crapping all over it.
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Then it WAS option number 1........because IMO you telling us that you broke your knife doing something you knew was going to break it really doesn't add anything to the discussion on here.

If you absolutely HAVE to tell people about it, throw it in the "minor topics" thread I started a while back. That would be the perfect place for it:thumbup:
 
Krissig12 said:
Then it WAS option number 1........because IMO you telling us that you broke your knife doing something you knew was going to break it really doesn't add anything to the discussion on here.

If you absolutely HAVE to tell people about it, throw it in the "minor topics" thread I started a while back. That would be the perfect place for it:thumbup:
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When you become a moderator, you can feel free to categorize posts as you see fit. Until then, take a step back and re-evaluate your attitude and reaction to a perfectly reasonable and simple thread. Threads like this pop up frequently. Time to move on.

OP, looks like it was well used for its life span. I bet a BK9 or Junglas would serve you better for your use!
 
NYOutdoors said:
When you become a moderator, you can feel free to categorize posts as you see fit. Until then, take a step back and re-evaluate your attitude and reaction to a perfectly reasonable and simple thread. Threads like this pop up frequently. Time to move on.

OP, looks like it was well used for its life span. I bet a BK9 or Junglas would serve you better for your use!
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Thank you and I know it will.
 
NYOutdoors said:
When you become a moderator, you can feel free to categorize posts as you see fit. Until then, take a step back and re-evaluate your attitude and reaction to a perfectly reasonable and simple thread. Threads like this pop up frequently. Time to move on.

OP, looks like it was well used for its life span. I bet a BK9 or Junglas would serve you better for your use!
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Fair enough. I guess it's not my place to say what's important or not. If you were able to draw useful info from OP's "event", then that's GREAT:thumbup:
 
Krissig12 said:
Sure it's a weak point, but designers don't design knives to be hid with sledgehammers......
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Yep. Actually knife companies, most of them anyway, design knives to be made as cheaply as possible knowing that 99% of the people using them will never push them to the limit that they advertise them to. I can't blame them. It's called "marketing". Ontario, whoever, is the toughest, badest, save-your-lifest, seal team using, cool ninja coolest, do anything and everything if it breaks just send it back and if it breaks you're an idiot....Maker. And then when a .25" piece of tempered steel breaks then you are an idiot.

Oh, BTW. Break a Busse like this.
 
sirupatespecial said:
Yep. Actually knife companies, most of them anyway, design knives to be made as cheaply as possible knowing that 99% of the people using them will never push them to the limit that they advertise them to. I can't blame them. It's called "marketing". Ontario, whoever, is the toughest, badest, save-your-lifest, seal team using, cool ninja coolest, do anything and everything if it breaks just send it back and if it breaks you're an idiot....Maker. And then when a .25" piece of tempered steel breaks then you are an idiot.

Oh, BTW. Break a Busse like this.
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Again in English please:confused:
 
sirupatespecial said:
Cheap is as cheap does?

Break a Busse the same way this Ontario broke? Is that plain enough?
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I see we're already comparing the strength of two completely different brands.....hmmmmmmm:rolleyes:

There are many differences between busse's and ontarios, but that's irrelevant. There is absolutely no reason either should be batonned though knotty oak with a sledgehammer. Is that reasonable use to you?
 
I don't think I'd be smacking a $500 Busse with my sledge, but a $50 10year old Ontario hell yea! It's a tool, tools break especially when abused. What I though was interesting was where it broke. Seeing hard ground 90 degree at the handle. I figured it would break or crack at the sledge impact point. Hit anything with a sledge and eventually its Gunna break.
 
Leverage.

When you hit it at the front and hold it by the handle , you are essentially trying to forcefully bend it in half at the weakest point. And hardened steel doesn't like to be bent;)
 
No not really, I wasn't holding the handle that hard and I wasn't hitting the handle when it broke.
 
I'm curious...were you striking the handle during that session when it broke?

EDIT: OK, you beat me too it.
 
Nope I never hit the handle ever. I was always afraid of mangling the handle because it's not an exposed tang like a Becker.
 
Hell, I've seen Busse's batoned through cars. Was it reasonable? I don't know. Seems like it was to Mr. Busse. My point was the design of the knife, the tang in particular, sucked. Why? Because at the price point Ontario could get away with it. Because 99% of the owners would never know the difference. The knife-through-the-knot with a sledge really shouldn't be that big of a deal with a large knife of proper design and temper. Of course with most companies, it is. BECAUSE they are made cheaply to be sold to people that will never push them. Most probably just sit in someone's drawer gathering dust. Good design doesn't necessarily have to be expensive.
 
omenwolf said:
No not really, I wasn't holding the handle that hard and I wasn't hitting the handle when it broke.
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I never said you were hitting the handle. I said you were holding the handle. And it doesn't matter that you weren't holding that hard..... according to you it was pretty well wedged into the wood. So the wood acted as a sort of fulcrum point and when you struck the blade near the front, it leveraged the back end upwards (but it couldn't escape because you were holding it)
 
sirupatespecial said:
Hell, I've seen Busse's batoned through cars. Was it reasonable? I don't know. Seems like it was to Mr. Busse. My point was the design of the knife, the tang in particular, sucked. Why? Because at the price point Ontario could get away with it. Because 99% of the owners would never know the difference. The knife-through-the-knot with a sledge really shouldn't be that big of a deal with a large knife of proper design and temper. Of course with most companies, it is. BECAUSE they are made cheaply to be sold to people that will never push them. Most probably just sit in someone's drawer gathering dust. Good design doesn't necessarily have to be expensive.
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Again, you assume that it was within the design specs of ANY knife to be able to be batonned through cars or hit with sledgehammers....KNIVES ARENT SUPPOSED TO BE USED IN THOSE WAYS, SO WHY SHOULD ONTARIO MAKE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE?
The reason "99%" of the owners won't know the difference is because those 99% are using their knives for what they are intended to be used for!
There's also a HUGE difference between using a wood baton and using a sledge hammer.
 
There's also a HUGE difference between using a wood baton and using a sledge hammer.

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And I would agree. But how many times have we heard here that batoning with a wood baton is abuse?

Really, I would think that a heavy, properly tempered knife should have no problem splitting wood. No matter what you used. It's wood you are batoning through, not steel trying to split steel. Again, my point is not the use. It's the design. And it sucks. In my opinion. What would you expect a knife that size and weight to be used for? Making feather sticks? Whittling? Cleaning your finger nails? Opening Christmas presents?

It's a hard use knife. And the design doesn't reflect that.
 
sirupatespecial said:
There's also a HUGE difference between using a wood baton and using a sledge hammer.

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And I would agree. But how many times have we heard here that batoning with a wood baton is abuse?

Really, I would think that a heavy, properly tempered knife should have no problem splitting wood. No matter what you used. It's wood you are batoning through, not steel trying to split steel. Again, my point is not the use. It's the design. And it sucks. In my opinion. What would you expect a knife that size and weight to be used for? Making feather sticks? Whittling? Cleaning your finger nails? Opening Christmas presents?

It's a hard use knife. And the design doesn't reflect that.
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You'll never get it will you?

The design doesn't suck...... It only broke when he hit it with FREAKING SLEDGEHAMMER.

I'm sure it was more than capable of being used for the things it was ACTUALLY DESIGNED FOR, like chopping crap and engaging in "regular" batoning (ie with a wood baton and not through such crazy tough wood). He even said this, didn't he? I distinctly recall him saying that he had used it without issue for many years before the incident, and only now did it break.....

NO knife is designed to handle being batonned through knotty oak with a sledgehammer, so how can you say that the design sucks?
 
NO knife is designed to handle being batonned through knotty oak with a sledgehammer, so how can you say that the design sucks?

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Um, Busse Battle Mistress? How about a Junglas? Becker? Any heavy knife with a full tang and proper temper? Custom knives by many makers? Ang Kola?

I do agree that a sledge hammer is probably not.......Optimal?
 
sirupatespecial said:
NO knife is designed to handle being batonned through knotty oak with a sledgehammer, so how can you say that the design sucks?

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Um, Busse Battle Mistress? How about a Junglas? Becker? Any heavy knife with a full tang and proper temper? Custom knives by many makers? Ang Kola?

I do agree that a sledge hammer is probably not.......Optimal?
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Any heavy knife with a full tang and proper temper can be batonned through wood..... BUT NOT WITH A DAMN SLEDGEHAMMER:rolleyes:

Hardened steel being hit with hardened steel will never result in anything good. Even if th knife managed to survive the first few impacts, there would likely be internal damage that would become apparent later on.

The bottom line is WHY would you need ANY knife to take such abuse? The ontario is not somehow a bad knife because it can't do what knives shouldn't be used for in the first place:rolleyes:
 
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