I did not mention put downs or insults. I asked a very specific question. But then the strawmen start showing up. Lovely how you continue to reduce something complex into the most simple terms to try and make your case. You still did not answer the question, but you don't need to as it would make no difference. If there is such a revolt brewing as tou indicate among the members, where are they all? I don't threads pouring in regarding this very subject that you are consumed with. Deflection doesn't cut it, not when your insinuations are as large as you are making them out to be.
Who are you to say what moderators care about or not? Were you not stopped in your tracks not once, but twice by a modeator because your behavior was out of line? Yet you say the system is broken? How interesting. In regards to civility, why is it that you cannot avoid arguing with your fellow members ad nauseum to the point where threads need to be closed after many "polite" requests from said moderators? I think you really should make some effort to lead by example once in a while. I cannot speak for the other members or moderators, but please have your facts in order when your tone suddenly takes a turn from concerned to accusatory. As far as I am concerned, I really have nothing more to add to this, it won't get through and my time is better spent elsewhere. You can have the last word, of course.
Out of respect to you, Rev, I will answer your questions. And then I will go away.
As I alluded to, in the real world I never feel the need to keep chipping away at someone who attempts to discredit me instead of simply offering a counterpoint. Why? Because that simply doesn't happen in the real world. The adults I know don't act like that. Ever.
Online, people resort to this tactic all the time. I think it sucks because it discourages sharing information, so I don't let it slide. If someone wants to say that I'm a liar about owning an Izula because I think the Izula handle is a little too small, why should I "let it go"? No one should have to deal with being called a liar in the first place because of a knife handle shape, and if it is so important for someone to win an argument that they will stoop to that kind of thing, then they can have an argument. It usually forestalls a repeat of that sort of thing next time around.
It has been my experience over the last 15 years of various forum participation that this sort of discredit tactic is endemic to certain forums, and effectively absent from others. Drive by insults seem to go along with them. On forums where those practices are discouraged, my debates (if any) are short, mutually polite and tame. Because they are about stuff, not the people posting.
My registration on HKPRO.com says that I've been there since 2001. Not a single warning, infraction, email, anything. Here, I'm a problem because my response to this environment is to not let bullies get their way. Sorry.
If you think the way people behave on the forum is fine, great. After reading the sheer number of insulting posts, I disagree. And I'm such an argumentative ass that I will even tell a moderator that. Most people who feel the same wouldn't bother, or don't want to risk getting the boot. And the people who enjoy calling other people "stupid" like the status quo.
Butterboy posted 12 times. His posts seemed consistent for a silly kid, rather than the work of the Troll mastermind some people are making him out to be. Treating him the way he was did nothing for raising the bar for civility on this forum, or educating a newbie about how forums work. You guys just shamed and bullied some kid, and made it clear that was the right way to handle people.
Ciao.