Defensive folder for female?

How about a waved Emerson knife? There are several "mini" versions of the commander, CQC-7, etc....Good sized handles and legal blade lengths to choose from.

On a side note, just because she wouldn't "pull the trigger" doesn't mean she wouldn't fend for her life while holding a knife. I'm a very forgiving person with a long fuse, I probably wouldn't pull the trigger either, but I'd sure as $hit slash and stab a dozen times if somebody attempted to lay a hand on me.

At least she's already 'aware,' that's why she wants a knife. She already has the pepper spray, she knows that she works alone, so she is aware of her surroundings. I'd still go with a waved Emerson or even a Waved Spyderco Endura. Teach her how to use it properly and let her be. Any gal that wants a knife is OK by me :thumbup:
 
I'd say go with a small fixed blade (if legal). I like my Boker Escort quite a lot. It's slim, easy to conceal, and can be drawn immediately. Then again, if she's going to use it, she better know how. I've been training with blades recently and if you're up against someone with the right kind of training, they can take it off you and use it against you. After several hours of one-on-one training with a very dedicated martial artist (I don't want to get into specifics), I now realize even with training, you probably will get cut, but you will up your chances of survival in any incident in which a bladed weapon is involved.
 
You don't need any more recommendation than get a gun - and most likely, if someone is an assailant, what will they use to be effective? A gun. Since armed assault is highly likely, I find it ludicrous to recommend a pocket knife as the preferred response.

She can acquire ten times as much effectiveness armed with a gun in the same training time for a knife. There are a hundred times more opportunities and training courses available for firearms than knives - because they work. You can stop an attack at 21 feet, or further. You cannot stop an attack armed with a knife, you only participate in an edged struggle. Not good.

We get this question a lot - and the underlying assumptions are wrong. Which knife is good for self defense is like asking what's the worst method I can use. And responding that someone probably couldn't pull the trigger just means they aren't really serious about self defense. That denial is the main cause of becoming a victim.

Women can and do carry guns for protection. She will be far safer dumping the sexist notion she can't, getting firearms training, and carrying one.

As for a the most effective knife in that situation, a 16" gladius is a far better answer than a puny 4" blade lockback.
 
If she's going into unoccupied homes under construction anyone could be there for all sorts of reasons. Many not good, so I have to say about the only thing would do her justice in that situation is a .38 revolver.
She's not all that familiar with pistols, if at all and that one will be easiest to learn and carry safely and have enough thump to take care of matters.
There's just too many ways for a man to disarm her if she only has a knife. Even if she gets it out a determined guy with a 2 foot piece of wood could still handle her. With a firearm she gets it out she's gonna be a force to be reckoned with if she's willing.
 
If she is not willing to pull the trigger, what makes you think she could slash or stab someone with a knife? A knife is a lot more up-close-and-personal. You will get cut while you are cutting.
A gun can stop a bad situation from a distance. No blood spilled on you, you not cut.
I have a permit, carry two guns daily. I would much rather pull the trigger, than get in a close-in encounter with a knife.
You either have it, or you dont. A knife does not change things. It makes it more likely you will get cut as well.

I was about to comment on the same thing, than I figured one of you smart guys probably already said it so I kept reading down. Yup, knife fighting can be a hell of a lot more personal than pulling the trigger. She should REALLY consider a carry permit and some GOOD training. Keep the peace, Smitty
 
I'm sure guns are the easy answer to all SD situations, but the OP did ask for a knife recommendation. If I had $250+ to burn I'd get myself a pistol and some training too :foot:

Everytime one of these threads pops up 50% of the posts are off topic and don't answer the OP's question.

She wants a knife, good for her, let's help the OP find her a damn good one.

Just saying :o
 
1. Pepper spray
2. firearm
3. knife

In that order and all with proper training. When I say "training", I mean real self-defense training, not a safety course.

I feel very strongly against people without defensive skills carrying anything that they have not been properly taught. If a predator is going to attack a woman, good chances are that he's already done some time. BG's have probably also been exposed to more knifework and defensive techniques than a law-abiding civvie carrying a defensive blade.
 
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It's not safe for a woman to go into open under construction homes alone, with less than a pistol that she will use and can get out fast.
If anything should happen (and chances are it's her job, it will at some point) she's going to be dealing with a thief, a hyped up druggie sort, a person running from the law, or just some hoodlum teens in a group and vandilizing.
A knife more than likely isn't going to get her out of any kind of bad situation with those type people if they decide to attack her. There is loads of ready items lying about already they can use on her, if they don't already have a knife of their own.
Even with a firearm and training and awareness she still may get in over her head, but it gives her a better chance of coming home at night than any knife against a threat.
So off topic or not, I wouldn't wander into vacant homes alone with just a knife. Doing it as a job, I would expect to run into trouble at some point.
 
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I wasn't intending to stir the pot in the wrong direction, perhaps this thread would steer better if the OP would chime in and let us know how his girl friend feels about guns and then we can move on from there. Perhaps a spending and time limit would help too. How soon does/can she getj/need a gun.

IMHO, she's better off using that pepper spray than the knife first and foremost. Especially if she doesn't have that "killer instinct" to pull the trigger as mentioned earlier.

And there's little to no legality issues should she ever be judged by 12 for defending herself with pepper spray (happens more often than it should).

Kind regards, J.
 
If she feels that her life is at risk, I would recommend self defense training (both armed and unarmed) and a concealable handgun (with permit).

Once she has all that, I would recommend an Emerson with the wave feature.

Just my two cents.
 
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Remaining on topic...

I thought a little while on this and I think the Kershaw RAM may be right for her. It's a little small in my average sized male hands, so it might be just right in her's, it carries tip up for a quick draw, good G10 scales for grippiness. But more importantly, the action is super easy, i.e., it's very easy to open. It feels like an AO, but has none of the disadvantages. Within 15 minutes of playing with the RAM, she should be able to easily open the knife with a flick 100% of the time, even in stressful situations. In addition, the knive's flipper + finger choil provide some resistance to lock failure, a nice bonus. And you can find it for 50 dollars.

As a so-called "martial artist," I've grown a bit skeptical about much of the SD knife training I've seen in my life, including that in my own source style. Many SD knife guys train for knife battles, i.e., sword fights, and I just don't see that occurring very frequently. Furthermore, and this is true of a great many martial arts, you're training specifically against assailants that know your style. I.e., Tae Kwon Do fighters don't learn to fight just anyone, let's say, a Judoka for instance, they learn to fight specifically other TKD fighters. Their tactics will be supreme within the rules of their style, and other very similar styles (Shotokan Karate) but when the rules change abruptly, or their opponents do, they commit many serious mistakes that would have been no issue at all within the context of their source style (i.e., TKD fighters routinely stand directly in front of each other, hands down, kick each other, with no fear of getting whacked in the face).

Knife fighting in a lot of schools is like this. In my style, we had wooden tantos and actually sparred with them in light-medium contact, with very few rules (you can use any style you want, you can go to the ground, etc etc). But still, I learned to fight knowing that when I jumped forward a little, I could scare my opponent off, because he was reading my movements and protecting himself intelligently (for instance).

In real life, your opponent is probably not going to know how to react to your little movements and will just rush right in with no thought towards their own safety...the "straight blast" of knifing, if you will. This isn't hard to defend against, especially if you also have a knife, but it's not something you practice against often in these sort of MA sparring sessions (where you are also armed). This is precisely because talented martial artists tend not to be drugged up criminal losers.

One part of my training that WAS very useful to me, and perhaps to you, is disarming training, on a large variety of weapons. The assailant wears gear, and they are armed with a fake weapon of their choosing (or two, you don't know. Sometimes they put one in the back of their belt/pants etc and will pull it on you when fighting) and you wear no gear. You're allowed to go full force and use any means necessary, really, as an unarmed person, to disarm or disable your opponent. This is as close to the real deal as I can see it, since I can go full force against my attacker, I KNOW when I'm getting "stabbed" (it hurts--no gear) and this is a high resistance situation. No goofy play-along. This is the sort of training I might recommend.

But much of the SD training that I think is going to have a BIG effect on personal safety can be done pretty easily. Practicing drawing your knife/pepperspray/gun whatever you want constantly. The MOST important part of weapon based SD is the ability to deploy your weapon. Once it's out there, you have a lot of options, maybe even the opponent backing off, but if it's in your purse, you're still a vulnerable target. So put the weapon where you will carry it every single day, and deploy it, slowly at first, and as you get more accurate, get faster, until there's no thought at all. Hold the knife in your hands while you watch TV, flick it a lot, have some fun. Get comfortable with the tool. You want everything to be non-conscious by the time you need it. Basic attacks using a knife vary a lot depending on the style. In my style, we learned blade up and blade down, one knife and two knives at a time, but we did not learn the infamous icepick p'kal, and so I'm not educated enough to comment on that style, but people tell me it's very easy to learn.

But basically, the concept is pretty simple. The pointy end goes into your attacker. Extra points are given for face or throat. You might, as I do, turn your blade to be parallel to the ground for chest attacks to slide between ribs more easily. I mean, there's a lot to learn here, but unless she's interested in becoming a bona fide martial artist/mercenary/warrior type, stabbing people a lot will do. No reason to get fancy.

If you're interested in p'kal style (you can watch some youtube to see what it is) Spyderco makes a dedicated p'kal knife that should be good for it.

While we're at it, running is another good option if the distance is sufficient between you + assailant.
 
A Spyderco Spot and Boker SubClaw are good options for someone untrained with a knife. I got my gf a Boker Subclaw and its always a part of her daily get up. I originally gave her a Timber Line Neck knife called the "Mini Pit bull" but that just ended up sitting in her purse. I purchased the Subclaw after reading Mercop's review on the Subclaw. It is ideal of women and its pretty cheap for 25 bucks plus shipping.

I've gotten her to drill opening it from a jeans pocket to the point that she pretty fast at deploying it and then striking at the face and groin of an attacker. Ive also drilled with her deployment from a clinch position or while on the ground. Shes gotten kinda scary good at it. Any other knife would be to large for her to carry in a jacket or jeans pocket since she is relatively petite, standing 5'2 and weighing 100lbs. She loves the knife claiming it looks "so cute" and uses it for EDC tasks...LOL...
 
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This is a close friends sister and it was her idea to have a knife as she didn't want to have a gun when I made that suggestion. She is already carrying pepper spray. From the half dozen times I have socialized with her, I don't think she will do the firearm, but I will pass ALL these suggestions along. Thanks
 
She wants a folder....
Emerson Karambit, Spyderco Civilian/Tasman/Superhawk, Boker Subclaw.
I went with those because they're all relatively light and have great slashing ability. If she's going to want to be able to stab they probably aren't the best, but I can see my own girlfriend using one of those.
 
Okay, given a little training the question is the knife itself.

She should consider two knives: the one she carries hidden on her person and which can be retrieved if someone gets the upper hand. Usually this will be most effective on the back of her dominant thigh. Some people use assisted opening or fixed blades. Smoky Mountain has some nice five dollar knives that can be worn around the neck or fitted to somewhere else on her person. If a woman is the subject of a rape, she's not going to want the assailant to find the knife during the attack. But while his attention is being diverted, the knife has to be somewhere where she can get to it. A Spyderco Native is easily hidden, opened and it's difficult to take from someone who has a good grip on it.

The primary knife is one that will be on or about her person; one that can be retrieved if she suspects danger but can't see it. It will have to be discreet and, at the same time, able to inflict mortal damage. Any knife with a 4-inch blade or larger that's easy to open and conceal until needed will do. I prefer black knives. Spyderco has a number of knives that would be perfect for this; so does Cold Steel. The Recon 1 is an excellent knife for almost anything. Enough of the end protrudes to make it a good pummel, too.

Knowing the targets on a body will certainly help. I recall the movie Cellular, with Kim Bassinger. She picked up a sharp piece of glass shard and used it to sever her assailant's splenic artery. He at first thought it was just a small jab, but then keeled over within seconds wondering what the hell happened. Cold Steel also has a grivory marker called a "Sharkie" that is very nice. They sent me one with my Christmas order and I have to admit, any woman should have one. Much better than I would have thought.

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There was a knife fight at work a couple of years ago. Fella that pulled the knife had it taken away from him by his opponent who was unarmed. The opponent cut the dickens out of that guy who originally pulled it. That first guy carried a knife, but had never trained in knife fighting.

I saw that happen once, minus the cutting after disarming.
It was NOT a lack of training though; it was a lack of WILLINGNESS to use said knife.
Threatening with a knife is STUPID.
As for a knife for small hands which could work(with the willingness to use it), the Delica is surprisingly good.:thumbup:
I DO agree however, with those who say someone who won't pull the trigger won't use the knife effectively.
 
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