Did Buck buy out Remington?

sassafrassdogs3 said:
I have the Black Diamond 66, never been shot outside of the factory, they say when they made that plastic you could run over it and it wouldn't break, warp, or crack...I guess the other plastic models had a different type of plastic that wouldn't hold up...
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The Nylon 66's are pretty much indestructible, and "never" wear out. The other "plastics" were fiberglass, if memory serves.
I remember back in the day Remington advertised (allegedly) shooting over 1,000,000 rounds through one, with (allegedly) no appreciable wear.
You may as well use it for squirrels, rabbits, possum, raccoons, and paper. :)
 
Everything I've read says Remington arms made knives until they sold the line to Pal.
 
Winchester never had a rifle chambered for the .45 Colt until Uberti did it. Colt would not release the patent for them to do it. The Winchester 1871 and 1873 was chambered for the .44 WCF. Remington developed the .44-40. which is the same cartridge but didn't want to infringe on Winchesters patent. The .45 Colt wouldn't eject from rifles, that's why Colt didn't use it in their rifles. It wasn't until modern processing there was a design change in the rim to allow a lever action to eject it.
 
sassafrassdogs3 said:
Winchester never had a rifle chambered for the .45 Colt until Uberti did it. Colt would not release the patent for them to do it. The Winchester 1871 and 1873 was chambered for the .44 WCF. Remington developed the .44-40. which is the same cartridge but didn't want to infringe on Winchesters patent. The .45 Colt wouldn't eject from rifles, that's why Colt didn't use it in their rifles. It wasn't until modern processing there was a design change in the rim to allow a lever action to eject it.
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A patent on a cartridge never stopped a company from champering an arm for it.
Making the cartridge without a license, yes, but not from chambering a barrel or cyclinder to use it.
I've seen old original Winchester and Colt rifles chambered for the .45 LC long before Urbeti started exporting their wares to the USA.
Keep in mind, part of the draw for both the .44-40 and .45LC was the ability to use the same ammuntion in both your rifle and revolver.
The .44-40 Winchester predates the .45LC by a year or two. Winchester was not worried about a patent on a cartridge that did not exist yet, when they started development of the .44-40 in 1869.
As I said earlier, Winchester made both rifles and revolvers for the .45LC and their own .44-40.
Colt made both rifles and revolvers for the .44-40, and their own .45LC.

I think it was in 1877 or 1878, that Colt agreed to stop making rifles, in exchange for Winchester to stop making revolvers.
Remington*, Smith & Wesson*, and other major makers of revolvers at the time also made guns for both cartridges.
(*These two still do make revolvers for both.)
Remington also made rifles for both cartridges.
The 1873 Colt "Peace Maker" for example, could (and can) be had in .45LC or .44-40.

Anyway, since this is supposed to be a knife discussion, I'll say no more. We don't want this thread moved, after all. :)
 
Name 1...No it wasn't so they can shoot one thru the other. The .45 Colt was made because the Army was looking for something other than cap and ball for their sidearms. Colt received the contract to do so in 1871. What model revolver did Winchester make? That wasn't Volcanic arms? Winchester did not have the right to make their rifles shoot a .45 Colt, it would Jam up because it couldn't eject it. Colt did not ever release the patent for Winchester to do that because he made his cartridge as an answer to Winchesters 1871 .44 WCF. So why would he release a patent to his competitor?

I'm not sure where you're getting your info at. If all these companies made guns that accepted the .45 Colt (except in the last 40 years) I would like to know the model numbers. Remington made the .44-40. The S&W used the .45 Schofield...Colt never made a revolver that accepted the .44 WCF or .44-40, same cartridge...

We are getting way off subject here...I would stop talking about it also, if I were you...At the least read Wikipedia and there are several others that say the same...

Anyway I think it's great that Buck is going to make at least the high-end Remington knives...
 
sassafrassdogs3 said:
.At the least read Wikipedia and there are several others that say the same...

Anyway I think it's great that Buck is going to make at least the high-end Remington knives...
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Sorry, I did not get my information from Wikipedia. (Which is full of errors and misinformation, considering the fact that anyone can edit any entry or article ... :mad: )

I learned all this researching actual catelogs, books, magazine articles, examining arms at museums (Rock Island Arsenal Arms Museum, Rock Island, IL was the main one) examining old rifles at gun shows around the country, correspondence with known, respected experts in the field of firearms history, etc., for over 30 years, and long before the Internet was invented.

I agree, Buck is doing a fine job with the Remington knives. :) :thumbsup:
 
I used Wikipedia for an example. Check out the websites about Colt and Winchester. My Uncle worked for the RIA in Rock Island IL, I was born and lived there for 20 some years before moving out here. That don't make me an expert. Like I said I would like to know 1 model of a Winchester revolver that's chambered for a .45 Colt. In the same sense give me 1 model of a Colt rifle that's chambered for a .45 Colt, that's more than 45 years old. I have a Colt peacemaker that shoots a .22 lr and .22 mag but Samual Colt didn't design it...

Also I would like the model of the Winchester rifle and when it made that is chambered for the .45 Colt...
 
Rupestris said:
DuPont owned Remington firearms. The Cutlery and ammo came with it.
Thr Nylon 66 rifle was DuPont's way of modernizing the firearm industry and showing that a firearm could have a plastic receiver.

DuPont is now destitute and was forced to merge with Dow chemical to stay alive. They're pretty much a parasite now. Sad because the company is over 200 years old.
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I thought I had inherited a Nylon 66. It turned out to be a Brazilian CBC. Its basically identical to a 66. I've read that CBC bought the tooling from Remington after Remington stopped producing them. I don't know if that's accurate. I will say that the knockoff is great little shooter. Its a keeper.
The receivers are not plastic btw. The stock and forearm are.
 
The receivers can't be plastic... It would blow up in your face. Rupestris misstated what he was saying, I'm sure he meant stock...

I don't know the story of that either, sounds like a nice shooter.
 
mbkr said:
I thought I had inherited a Nylon 66. It turned out to be a Brazilian CBC. Its basically identical to a 66. I've read that CBC bought the tooling from Remington after Remington stopped producing them. I don't know if that's accurate. I will say that the knockoff is great little shooter. Its a keeper.
The receivers are not plastic btw. The stock and forearm are.
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Sounds implausible, doesn't it? It's plastic. I had one but gave it to my son years ago. They're fascinating little rifles.

On the side of the receiver there are two screws. Take those out and you’ll see that they just keep a steel cover in place and it slides off easily.

Underneath it is the receiver that houses that the bolt and trigger assembly. You’ll also find that the stock, forend and receiver are one piece of Nylon.

The firing of the round takes place inside the chamber which is part of the steel barrel. The receiver takes no abuse from firing.

 
I was thinking the bolt from the semi-auto action which is all metal...So the receiver housing is plastic with a metal dressing sleeve and all the functioning parts are metal...
 
See if we can drift off pure gun talk when the questions get answered.

CJ Buck will be at the Blade Show, unless bad weather stops him. and I suspect he will talk about this Remington situation. Likely during the BCCI general meeting. If not will make it a point to quiz him when he visits the BCCI display area. Will do my best to make notes and report back to Buck Forum members. 300Bucks
 
Rupestris said:
Sounds implausible, doesn't it? It's plastic. I had one but gave it to my son years ago. They're fascinating little rifles.

On the side of the receiver there are two screws. Take those out and you’ll see that they just keep a steel cover in place and it slides off easily.

Underneath it is the receiver that houses that the bolt and trigger assembly. You’ll also find that the stock, forend and receiver are one piece of Nylon.

The firing of the round takes place inside the chamber which is part of the steel barrel. The receiver takes no abuse from firing.

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Son of a gun. Learn something new everyday. I'll admit I've never taken it apart.
 
mbkr said:
Son of a gun. Learn something new everyday. I'll admit I've never taken it apart.
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One of the other interesting features was the ability to easily single load it. The bolt is recessed. If you roll the rifle to the left with the muzzle pointed down range, you can drop a round in the recess with the bolt closed, pull the bolt back and the round will drop in. Release the bolt and it'll chamber that round.

I wish someone would rerelease it. They're amazing rifles. Congrats on yours. Have fun with it. :thumbsup:
 
300Bucks said:
See if we can drift off pure gun talk when the questions get answered.

CJ Buck will be at the Blade Show, unless bad weather stops him. and I suspect he will talk about this Remington situation. Likely during the BCCI general meeting. If not will make it a point to quiz him when he visits the BCCI display area. Will do my best to make notes and report back to Buck Forum members. 300Bucks
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It really doesn't matter. hardly anyone on here even purchased a Remington knife when they were released. I guess if you really want to know they are Remington Knives and not Buck knives when if they come from the same factory.

I did buy a pre production model. And I think I've seen one or two standard models on here. Two Bullet knives so far. This one is kinda cool with a Buck date code.1527557291719-420693257.jpg 1527557325431-1534505579.jpg 15275573514711334715710.jpg 1527557377016-1089856627.jpg 15275574027901115875071.jpg
 
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Back to the "never buy a knife from a gun company " thought. I wasn't buying knives in the 40's, 50's or 60's. No idea of the quality then. But the current Smith and Wesson, Winchester and Browning knives that I am seeing look cheap, have vanilla-looking designs, and generally are low priced compared to the knife company offerings. Maybe this is just the ones I see at Cabelas, Walmart and Bass Pro Shops. But if they look cheap and are low priced I assume they are not super high quality. Serviceable? Maybe. But not impressive.
 
Most of those are cheap Chinese knives.
 
The main problem with people don't buy them is because Remington knives were usually Chinese. They need to say Buck somewhere, even in the small print...
 
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