did Hinderer knives lose popularity?

DJC72 said:
Hinderer blades are more popular than ever. They are being sold by all the major online retailers and over the past two years have increased production. RHK is pumping out knives as fast as they can produce them.

I an a Zt fan but my Zt Hinderer models do not compare to RHK in fit and finish. They may have a better flipping action but ZT's build quality is not on the same level. Take each knife apart and re assembly them ten days in a row. By day ten, the Hinderer still goes together perfectly. Many of my Zt's have cheap screws with a loads on loktite on them. Centering takes a little more effort also.
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Completely agree to whats said here.
 
I bought two XM-18's yrs ago when they were hot, for the mid-700's each. I sold both of them quickly; not for me. The 3.5" spanto would NOT stay closed in my pocket. The 3" was just an overbuilt, rather common folder...and heavy.
XM-18's now seem to be VERY cheap...probably supply and demand.
Yep, I'm sticking with CRK...
 
Rick's expanded production capability thru new facility, machines and employees. But even with increased production and increased availability, there are far fewer Hinderers out there in the marketplace than CRKs. It would take quite a bit to catch up if it's even possible....so more items for sale easily explains why more sell.
 
User17 said:
I was looking for folders between 350-500$, sorted my search to 'popularity'(best selling) and noticed that the Hinderer models showed up on the very last pages. Most popular were the CRK Sebenzas.

So is it true, do the Hinderers not sell that well these days? What could be the reason?
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Nope, as popular as ever. Be happy you have some of his best work in the ZTs that you own. ;)
 
I like my Bowie blade XM-18.
It works quite well...just had to redo the tip after using it to drill through some cast aluminum (making something for an ongoing project :) ).

I'll probably grab a Wharncliffe XM-24 sometime in the next year. With increased production, the time pressure on buying is less intense. :thumbsup:
 
Really the ZT's are miles above the typical Hinderer, they actually flip open without a tutorial and work great.

Rick had a captive audience and then ramped up production to produce more than the market wants...they can be had for less than MSRP.
 
Ok, many good answers have been written and now I understand why the hype has gotten a lot less in the last couple of years. I didn't know that it was really hard to get one, back in the days.

I already have the ZT 0562cf on my list and many users here seem to think that it is superior to the XM-18. and it costs 200.- less. I was in the same dilemma with the 0620 and the Emersons. I decided to go with the ZT.

Maybe trying both would be the best. What I really love is the bowie blade on the XM-18. how do they retain value?
 
The Hinderer XM that I have has the weakest detent of any knife I've ever owned. The knife opens in my pocket and I cut myself a couple times. Love the looks and ergos of it, but it's dangerous to carry. Doesn't feel or seem so well built to me. All scale screws came loose. Had to tighten up everything on the knife. The tephlon washers were garbage too. Replaced them with bronze washers just to get it to flip OK.

I also have or have owned ZT 0560 0550 0566 0562CF and in now way shape or form is the Hinderer worth what they cost. ZT has tweaked and perfected Hinderer's design. The only way I'll own a Hinderer is if it has a ZT before it.
 
Zero Tolerance makes a better XM-18 than Hinderer.

I'm waiting for Rick to make a better 0560 than ZT.
 
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Everything that Hinderer has produced within the last two years or so has had a perfect to strong detent. I've had around 20-30 pass through my hands and they all have flipped fantastically. I'll agree with the other comments, a ZT just does not have the same quality feel as the real deal Hinderer. As far as pricing and resale value goes, you can buy a new CR Inkosi with inlays for $545, but you're going to be lucky if you get $450+ for it in "like new" condition. Same with a $425 XM, "like new" will net you $325-$350 depending on blade shape/finishes. Buy what you like and do not base it on resale value.
 
Anybody who says Hinderer has weak detent clearly handled the older generations. I have bought two XM-18's in 2016 and both have amazing detent and fire just as hard but smoother than any ZT I own. It flips just as good, if not better than both ZT 0560BW's i've owned. I also hate weak detent which is why I refuse to de-assist the 0566's as I find their detent to be too weak. Zero Tolerance is my favourite production company, but Hinderer is my favourite overall company. The hinderer designs produce by ZT are exceptional knives and I would highly recommend them. I have owned 12 ZT's, however people are lying if they say the 0562 is a better knife than the XM-18. Also, the sites I view are constantly getting new Hinderers in stock and they're all selling very fast. Not sure where you're getting your numbers from. Also, what do you use your knife for? As the 0562CF has a LOT less traction than the XM-18's which makes it much worse for hard use. The 0562 is more pocket friendly because of the deep carry pocket clip and the smoothness of the carbon fiber on your pocket etc.
 
If ZT 0562 is better than XM-18, I wonder why the cf version (ZT0562cf) in great condition sells for $180-$200 while XM-18 in similar condition sells $320-360 here off the Exchange (and both sell). Oh yeam - I got it. Buyers have money to throw away, it is still the hype, blanh blah.
 
Gideons said:
Anybody who says Hinderer has weak detent clearly handled the older generations. I have bought two XM-18's in 2016 and both have amazing detent and fire just as hard but smoother than any ZT I own. It flips just as good, if not better than both ZT 0560BW's i've owned. I also hate weak detent which is why I refuse to de-assist the 0566's as I find their detent to be too weak. Zero Tolerance is my favourite production company, but Hinderer is my favourite overall company. The hinderer designs produce by ZT are exceptional knives and I would highly recommend them. I have owned 12 ZT's, however people are lying if they say the 0562 is a better knife than the XM-18. Also, the sites I view are constantly getting new Hinderers in stock and they're all selling very fast. Not sure where you're getting your numbers from. Also, what do you use your knife for? As the 0562CF has a LOT less traction than the XM-18's which makes it much worse for hard use. The 0562 is more pocket friendly because of the deep carry pocket clip and the smoothness of the carbon fiber on your pocket etc.
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I was searching on knifecenter.

I dont use my knives for hard use, as I am more a collector. Overall quality, FF and value for the money play the biggest role in my choices. Currently Im thinking of ordering both, ZT and XM-18, and then decide.
 
User17 said:
I was searching on knifecenter.

I dont use my knives for hard use, as I am more a collector. Overall quality, FF and value for the money play the biggest role in my choices. Currently Im thinking of ordering both, ZT and XM-18, and then decide.
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Hinderer has much better FF than ZT IMO. Also, that would be the error. When I think of a place to buy hinderers, knifecenter is right near the bottom of the list.
 
Gideons said:
Hinderer has much better FF than ZT IMO. Also, that would be the error. When I think of a place to buy hinderers, knifecenter is right near the bottom of the list.
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Almost the same on blade hq. Those are probably the two most popular online shops.
 
User17 said:
Almost the same on blade hq. Those are probably the two most popular online shops.
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I agree with how they're some of the most popular sites. However, when it comes to hinderer their selection and sales are some of the worst. Many other sites sell a lot more hinderers and have more options available.
 
Gideons said:
Anybody who says Hinderer has weak detent clearly handled the older generations. I have bought two XM-18's in 2016 and both have amazing detent and fire just as hard but smoother than any ZT I own. It flips just as good, if not better than both ZT 0560BW's i've owned. I also hate weak detent which is why I refuse to de-assist the 0566's as I find their detent to be too weak. Zero Tolerance is my favourite production company, but Hinderer is my favourite overall company. The hinderer designs produce by ZT are exceptional knives and I would highly recommend them. I have owned 12 ZT's, however people are lying if they say the 0562 is a better knife than the XM-18. Also, the sites I view are constantly getting new Hinderers in stock and they're all selling very fast. Not sure where you're getting your numbers from. Also, what do you use your knife for? As the 0562CF has a LOT less traction than the XM-18's which makes it much worse for hard use. The 0562 is more pocket friendly because of the deep carry pocket clip and the smoothness of the carbon fiber on your pocket etc.
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Life is perception- Peoples individual reviews of something that puts them in a bad light don't necessarily make them a liar,..it just makes them dissatisfied.
There is a big difference between the two. Not everybody is going to like the same things I do- Like CRK..They simply are not for everybody IMHO.
 
bhyde said:
Life is perception- Peoples individual reviews of something that puts them in a bad light don't necessarily make them a liar,..it just makes them dissatisfied.
There is a big difference between the two. Not everybody is going to like the same things I do- Like CRK..They simply are not for everybody IMHO.
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I do agree with you, using the word "liers" may of been a little extreme. However, from the multiple Hinderers I've owned and many others I've handled none have the week detent of the old hinderers. I do wonder if people are just making judgements of old hinderers they've held, or just repeating stuff they've heard from others with no personal experience. For example, a loved knife by many, the Spyderco Paramilitary 2 is an amazing knife, but it is not for me. So you could say I was "dissatisfied" with the knife. However, the difference is the people I was referring to hinderer may not be the knife for them, but there is no need to discuss a problem that was resolved years ago that is no longer relevant. It would be like, since the Paramilitary 2 isn't for me - if on threads about the PM2 I would bring up issues that spyderco has had in the past with replicating and producing the pivot they use in it or other issues that have happened. Even though I never had an issues with the PM2 or spyderco has fixed the issues I keep bringing up. It may not be lying, but it is projecting your own bias or false information on a product.
 
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