Differences in the Buck/124/USA

[David Martin]

It sounds like some part names are getting some carry over. Plus, sites are not consistent. My objections not withstanding. Now, watch someone come along and say, a part is wrong... Updated diagram. DM

 

[Lawrence Helm]

The knife supplier should have been more clear and precise in their description......

The MANUFACTURER states on their website that they use BIRCH to make the dymondwood, they dye it to look like different woods, or even just dye it in colors like green......
So nope, no actual cocobolo in cocobola dymondwood......

Here are some of the color choices they offer, from a pdf downloaded from their website.
BUT....although on the pdf file they say they use hardwood veneers in the process, they also say they dye the veneers.
There would be no need to dye actual cocobolo.

Notice some of the colors aren't even based on varieties of trees....







And just to be sure, from the manufacturer's own website.
under technical specifications it says "species birch"

I don't think any of these guys are being very clear in their descriptions, and I'm not 100% sure your wrong, but I still lean in that direction. The knife supplier describes how different woods can be combined with resin and called cocobolo. Also, the archery choices cover what you describe, the choice of birch as comprising dymondwood in a lot of different colors but up above they include a description of cocobolo used as a laminate. Down below they speak of different colors but they don't call any of they cocobolo.

So I think that what Buck is selling is a form of dymondwood that does not use birch but uses cocobolo. There is nothing in the knife seller's description of the creation of wood with resin creating dymondwood to prevent cocobolo being used instead of birch. And I can't believe that Buck, if they were using a form of dymondwood using birch would call it cocobolo.

The description you provide showing the use of birch also appear in the archery site. There are a lot of options using birch, but up above is a laminate using cocobolo. If Buck wanted to use the dymondwood process using cocobolo instead of birch that would permit them to call their wood cocobolo-dymondwood which is what they do. I can't believe they would use the birch-dymondwood process and call it cocobolo-dymondwood.

If we had something from these guys that said they "only used birch" I would be convinced but that would open up a lot of other questions, questions about Buck being deceptive.

Lawrence

 

[TAH]

Quillon is a dagger name, but also a term for the guard.

David,

Your diagram is now accurate, but if you wanted to make it even less confusing, I would delete the quillion label. I agree with Lost Viking that the quillion is the crossguard on a sword or dagger. I don't know why the Bark River diagram above labels the guard and the quillion at the tip of the guard. It's definitively not just the tip of a guard.

Thanks for your diagram. It is now the most accurate knife diagram on the internet. :thumbup:

 

[David Martin]

TAH, Thank you, but I'm not comfortable with it like it is. I've looked and that diagram with the Bark River knife is the only one I'm finding with that labeled. This causes some questions in my mind as to the validity
of that. I'm reading quillion is the term for a 'special type of guard'. Perhaps, this is what your saying. Not whats found on any type of knife. DM

 

[TAH]

TAH, Thank you, but I'm not comfortable with it like it is.

David,

Not to beat a dead horse, but I'm enjoying our discussion. I'm not following what you are not comfortable with. Are you not comfortable with your last diagram the way it is? In your diagram below, if you deleted "quillion", I think it would be perfect. No?

I've looked and that diagram with the Bark River knife is the only one I'm finding with that labeled. This causes some questions in my mind as to the validity of that.

Are you questioning the validity of the Bark River diagram that labels the quillion or the Bark River diagram that labels the ricasso and the choil seperately?

Sorry for all the questions. I'm usually a little slower on Monday mornings.

Thanks,
Tom

 

[David Martin]

Yes, I've erased the quillion label off my copy. After searching I didn't think I was on firm ground putting that label on it. I've had these terms floating in my head and this topic forced me to pen it on paper. Now, all may refer back to a diagram as needed in future discussions. Thanks, DM

 

[TAH]

Understood. BTW, I agree with all your other terminology. It's exactly the way I would label everything. It's strange to me how there can be so many different terms used or left off a diagram. I guess it takes an old Buck guy like you to figure it out. :thumbup:

 

[TAH]

David,

Looking at your diagram again and to make it complete for further discussions, the only other terms you might want to add are "plunge line" and "tang". Just a thought.

 

[David Martin]

Check, diagram above. DM

 

[TAH]

Looks good! When are you putting that knife into production?

 

[David Martin]

Ha, years back I built a couple like that. But I'll not post a photo of it as we are getting off this gentleman's topic. Thanks, DM