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i have stated several times that i fully understood both sides of the situation. if you can't tell the difference between a sharp and not so sharp (to dull) knife than i wonder what it is you are doing on the forums to begin with. :) as mentioned multiple times i feel like it was a good debate and something worth touching on.
i guess there really is no wrong or right individual here because this is all based on preference and opinion (for the 67th time).
 
philwar said:
Accurate analogy. I like BM and all of mine have come sharp, but dull knives from reputable companies is really a big minus. I buy something new, I expect to be able to use it to its full potential out of the box.
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The likely-hood of a knife coming out of the box with a polished edge and tree topping sharp.... no production company has that kind of edge as far as I know, this is where edge geometry comes into play as well, but that's not what we're talking about.
 
Yes four-shore, you have posted the same meaningless stuff over and over in this thread. You have yet to post something actually constructive, or even remotely interesting. I've been using knives, and hand-sharpening them for 40 years plus. I know what constitutes a sharp knife, do you?

So anyways, this thread has outlived it's usefulness, if there ever was any..:D
 
ono724 said:
I understand what you're saying, but define a knife's "full potential". Unless I missed it, the OP never explained the level of sharpness (or lack thereof) of the knives he handled. Where they butter knife sharp? Where you could run your finger along the edge without so much as a nick? Where they arm hair shaving sharp? Where they hair poppin' sharp? Whichever they were, it still doesn't determine one particular persons idea of "full potential". You may want your knife to be able to cut the fabric of time with your brand new knife. I may be satisfied with it shaving some arm hair.
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You can split hairs all you want (oh wait, you can't, your knife ain't sharp :D), the knife was designed a certain way, and they are ALL meant to be able to shave right from the factory. All Spyderco's can, all Cold Steels can, etc, etc. Full potential means the way the manufacturer designed and built the knife.
 
four_shore said:
you're really having a hard time understanding that some people just prefer a nice sharp edge upon purchase. it's really as simple as that.
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I think you are having hard time understanding that what is a "nice sharp edge" for you may not be neither nice nor sharp for other person and vice versa. To me 40 deg inclusive edge on the folder is just as useless as no edge on it. I have to sharpen to what I need. Doesn't mean my requirement is more valid that yours. Point is, if you are a demanding knife user, it's up to you what edge you put on it, otherwise you get some sort of average edge.
 
Gator97 said:
Point is, if you are a demanding knife user, it's up to you what edge you put on it, otherwise you get some sort of average edge.
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You may choose to put a different edge on it, but the knife was designed a certain way. It should come sharp with the factory-designed edge, as in newspaper cutting or shaving sharp. Even a 40 degree edge well-sharpened should have no trouble doing that.
 
ono724 said:
Yes four-shore, you have posted the same meaningless stuff over and over in this thread. You have yet to post something actually constructive, or even remotely interesting. I've been using knives, and hand-sharpening them for 40 years plus. I know what constitutes a sharp knife, do you?

So anyways, this thread has outlived it's usefulness, if there ever was any..:D
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i've been more than kind in all of my responses. i really can not say the same for you. perhaps old age is catching up and you're becoming bitter/grumpy. it was a debate. if the things i said didn't remotely interest you than i'm certain you wouldn't be obsessed with coming directly at me. lol, i must have said several times that we're beating a dead horse here. everyone is unique and different. to each his own (for the 68th time).

just walk away from it old timer (take a nap or something)...
 
dstewart said:
Today I went to a local gunshow,there was a knife dealer there. I looked at about a dozen benchmades, not one of them were very sharp. Now I love bm and I have about 10 or so,I looked at 755,710s,940s, and so on. I am very unimpressed with theyre sharpness. I thought people were just bashing them on here but its true F&F was good just not sharp. When you look at a fifty dollar kershaw that will shave hair it seems unreasonable to spend the extra on Benchmade. I am very disappointed and think from now on I will look else where.....
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I looked at about a dozen benchmades, not one of them were very sharp.]

Let's make this a subjective given.

Now I love bm and I have about 10 or so...

OP concedes his admiration of BM, so an intent of 'bashing' is not likely.

I am very unimpressed with theyre sharpness.

Another subjective 'given'.

I thought people were just bashing them on here but its true F&F was good just not sharp.

Yet another subjective given.

When you look at a fifty dollar kershaw that will shave hair it seems unreasonable to spend the extra on Benchmade.

Subjective opinion.

I am very disappointed and think from now on I will look else where...

Emotional observation and statement of intent.

The OP has stated his subjective opinions, which are not argued objectively at any point in his post. Attempting to objectively argue a person's subjective opinions, is a fool's errand. Let's just concede the man's experience and move on.
 
never let a good debate about nuthin die

I feel that the edge a maker puts on their knives is just part of the fit and finish .
I worked in a hardware ( Rural Supplies ) shop that sold knives in the 1990s .
When a customer wanted to look at a knife , the edge was one of the things I noticed that was a deal breaker or maker . Its part of the finish of a knife as far as a lot of uninformed uneducated folk who use these things in the course of making their living , roo shooters , piggers , station hands , shearers , truckies ....
These people mostly could resharpen a knife , some were more than able to put their own grind on it too , but their feelings tended toward preferring a well finished product over one they had to take home and finish themselves .
First impressions last .
Just thought Id add my experience in there .
 
philwar said:
You may choose to put a different edge on it, but the knife was designed a certain way.
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? Most of the knives are designed to accommodate rather large range of angles. There's a huge difference between 30 and 40 inclusive angles in terms of cutting performance and strength. How can you tell for which it was "designed"?

philwar said:
It should come sharp with the factory-designed edge, as in newspaper cutting or shaving sharp. Even a 40 degree edge well-sharpened should have no trouble doing that.
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Different strokes... You are ok with that, to me it's not, and I need to work on that edge to get it to my liking. Should I criticize Benchmade for not putting 30deg inclusive angle with 100K finish for me? Who says 40 is the perfect angle and not 30?
I dunno why it "should"... IMHO knife owner "should" know how to use and maintain his knives. That's a bigger "should" and far more beneficial too.
 
A.P.F. said:
I looked at about a dozen benchmades, not one of them were very sharp.]

Let's make this a subjective given.

Now I love bm and I have about 10 or so...

OP concedes his admiration of BM, so an intent of 'bashing' is not likely.

I am very unimpressed with theyre sharpness.

Another subjective 'given'.

I thought people were just bashing them on here but its true F&F was good just not sharp.

Yet another subjective given.

When you look at a fifty dollar kershaw that will shave hair it seems unreasonable to spend the extra on Benchmade.

Subjective opinion.

I am very disappointed and think from now on I will look else where...

Emotional observation and statement of intent.

The OP has stated his subjective opinions, which are not argued objectively at any point in his post. Attempting to objectively argue a person's subjective opinions, is a fool's errand. Let's just concede the man's experience and move on.
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Subjective opinions and perception are very hard to argue with generally.
 
four_shore said:
i've been more than kind in all of my responses. i really can not say the same for you. perhaps old age is catching up and you're becoming bitter/grumpy. it was a debate. if the things i said didn't remotely interest you than i'm certain you wouldn't be obsessed with coming directly at me. lol, i must have said several times that we're beating a dead horse here. everyone is unique and different. to each his own (for the 68th time).

just walk away from it old timer (take a nap or something)...
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It's not being unkind stating the obvious, look at your last couple of posts..."I couldn't agree more" , "Excellent point as well" Yes, everyone is making very good, informed posts, except for you, who's resorted to name calling (who's being unkind?)

I never realized 47 was old :D

I feel sorry for some of you other members :rolleyes:

Just walk away from it young'un (go suck on your pacifier) ;)

Sorry y'all for veering off the topic-last post on this thread :)
 
ono724 said:
It's not being unkind stating the obvious, look at your last couple of posts..."I couldn't agree more" , "Excellent point as well" Yes, everyone is making very good, informed posts, except for you, who's resorted to name calling (who's being unkind?)

I never realized 47 was old :D

I feel sorry for some of you other members :rolleyes:

Just walk away from it young'un (go suck on your pacifier) ;)

Sorry y'all for veering off the topic-last post on this thread :)
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bro, i'm over it. now settle down before you start having palpitations. for the record i was simply busting your balls and returning the bs that you kept sending my way. big ass deal. hey do you edc a life alert along with your knives? :) i don't want you jumping in your hoveround and coming out to PA messin' wit me now. ahhh gentlemen it's all in good fun. i would certainly like to know what good points you had to offer in this debate though. it's strange but scrolling back i can't seem to find any...hmmm

it's officially not fun anymore and i believe we've all agreed to disagree. i'm done. it really has been a pleasure.

later
 
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four_shore said:
bro, i'm over it. now settle down before you start having palpitations. for the record i was simply busting your balls and returning the bs that you kept sending my way. big ass deal. hey do you edc a life alert along with your knives? :) i don't want you jumping in your hoveround and coming out to PA messin' wit me now. ahhh gentlemen it's all in good fun. i would certainly like to know what good points you had to offer in this debate though. it's strange but scrolling back i can't seem to find any...hmmm

later
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Would you like some cheese with that whine?
 
It was merely a suggestion to take the fight to whine and cheese, but i dont think anyone got the hint. :x
 
Sharpness is not that critical - for you can always fix it. But what about boxes - if the box is damaged, you can not actually make it new!
My expectation is that a new knife should come in mint shiny box. And in this regard Benchmade is obviously not a good performer!
They not only have boxes printed just in one color - while both Spyderco and Kershaw produce much nicer multicolored boxes, they also price their boxes way out of range. And I would prefer that they made their bags optional - for I for example do not care about these black boring bags, and would rather save these 20 bucks they charge for them!
And coming back to the main issue - more than half of knives I have purchased from BM over the years came in boxes scratched, bend or pressed, like somebody actually sat on them!
I am so unimpressed by BM quality control! It is a shame that the company selling such expensive knives manipulates the customer by supplying such expensive and below-standard product packaging!
Sorry for trying to hijack the topic, but I believe it is about time for all of us to discuss this burning issue! This is such a disgrace!
 
It really suprises me when seeing so many people defending BM of them selling dull knives...

Seems like a lot people think it's ok when the knife is dull from the factuary, so I kinda imagine if they also think that it's ok to buy new cars that come with flat tires, or order some food that come without salt added...
 
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