Disccusion: Beckerhead BK-10 Special (was: Don't you just HATE it when ...)

Yep, lookin' good! Gettin' two sets of scales makes the deal even sweeter!!
 
i imagine a few people will be making some mods :>

gosh. who knew? or maybe not ... keep it real for a while?
 
damn!
the timing couldnt be worse. being forced to pay over $1600 on my truck last month and finding out i probably losing my job in the next 30-45 days...
crap, well, more for you guys!
 
Bladite said:
there's a canonical post floating around here where someone spells out every last detail. toooj if i recall correctly. i THINK i remembered to link that from the DB/FAQ at some point, but i won't swear to it.
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One of the posts came from Phil Gibbs...

Phil Gibbs said:
Carbon V definately came first. It was the brainchild of the Metal God, Dan Maragni, & was, in my opinion, what put Cold Steel on the map all those years ago.

When Cold Steel came to Camillus to make their carbon steel knives, they did not want to pay for the vast amount of steel that had to be purchased in order to have a custom steel made to their specifications.
Consequently Cold Steel agreed that Camillus could also use the steel (& pay them a royalty, I believe) but could not call it Carbon V.

I came up with the name 0170-6C, based on an almost close (but NOT) steel produced by Sharron Steel called 0170-6.

All this is historical trivia.

The real issue for those who understand is Heat Treatment!

The reason that the Camillus Beckers perform so well is that Dan Maragni set up a system of heat treatment at Camillus for the Cold Steel knives, & oversaw almost every batch of knives produced. What we learnt about heat treating Cold Steel seeped over to the Becker knives.
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Rsmith_77 said:
damn!
the timing couldnt be worse. being forced to pay over $1600 on my truck last month and finding out i probably losing my job in the next 30-45 days...
crap, well, more for you guys!
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buy it, flip it :) well, maybe not.

debt is good?

i'm outta a job in 6 weeks unless i land on my feet... still. want to buy one. i can eat rice for a month with cat or dog for flavor. here kitty kitty kitty.
 
BADASS. Ima have a truck knife real soon.

ETA: Limit one per person. I can read!
 
Mmmmmm. BK10 Forum knife. <drool>

Moose
 
I'll probably step down from this. No money + I already have a knife pretty much like this + the risk/extra cost of international shipping. On the other hand... A 200-off knife, free micarta scales, special offer... kinda depends on how long it takes until we actually start ordering. I'll start earning some money so it'll be easier to justify this for myself :D In the specs it says "Kydex sheath"... will that be something like the BK-2 sheath or what?

Anyways... this is gonna be awesome.

I was just thinking... if I buy this, I can beat the bollocks out of my BK-2, if I manage to destroy it I have another one... And the collector's value of these things will be crazy in a few years.
 
I'm in. Sweet flippin deal. Gonna have to go hungry for a few days, but, what the hell, I'll have a BK10.
 
Bladite said:
buy it, flip it :) well, maybe not.

debt is good?

i'm outta a job in 6 weeks unless i land on my feet... still. want to buy one. i can eat rice for a month with cat or dog for flavor. here kitty kitty kitty.
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bleah -- it better be young kitty or it just tastes bitter and stringy...
OTOH, there's a reason they call it "Chow time"........ tasty vittles there!
 
Guyon said:
One of the posts came from Phil Gibbs...
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Additional notes on steel can be found at:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...cker-Blade-Database-!!!?p=8961761#post8961761

i inserted Guyon's paragraph/quote up there too :>

Steel notes:

:D *** On Carbon-V: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9061467

1) Cold Steel Carbon V was first produced in the Alcas Factory (Cutco and KA-BAR) Mid 1980s, Carbon V was originally 1095CV/0170-06/50100B.
2) Cold Steel moved to Ontario 1990s. Carbon V started out as 1095CV/0170-06/50100B
While at Ontario, Dan Maragni removed the small amount of nickel from the formula.
3) Cold Steel moved to Camillus approx. 1995. Carbon V stayed 0170-06 minus the nickel.
How do I know all of this?...I have worked at all 3 factories.

Basically the last Carbon V is still 0170-06. Nickel, in addition to the added toughness also decreases the austenite to martensite transformation temp. It is added to counter balanced the chrome which raises the transformation temp.
Best Regards,Paul Tsujimoto,Sr Eng,Prod Dev and Qual,KA-BAR Knives
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:D *** On 1095 1095-CroVan: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803294

Here is the chemistry for Sharon Steel 0170-06 (From Sharon Steel ref.book)

C: 0.95-1.10; Mn:0.30-0.50; P:0.025max; S: 0.025max; Si:0.15-0.25; Cr:0.40-0.60; Ni:0.25; *Mo:0.06*; V:0.15-0.25.

This is also the formula for KA-BAR's 1095CV. If one orders enough steel a steel company will make what ever one wants. That is the case with both Cold Steel Carbon V and Case CV variations on 0179-06. Slight variations can be thought of as entirely different steels or just a variation. It's all good steel but it still must be processed properly.
Unless there was a radical change that I didn't know about, Camillus processed the Carbon V with a lead potoil quench using a traditional Austenizing/Quench/Temper process. Dan Maragni's strong point was fine tuning the temps, making sure the heat thermocouples were proper, heating medium was proper, quench oil had the proper additives. He was (is) very good at that.
I like Dan alot and I miss our great conversations when Cold Steel was at Ontario.
Hope this helps.
Best Regards,Paul Tsujimoto,Sr Eng,Prod Dev and Qual,KA-BAR Knives
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:D So sayeth Phil:

Phil Gibbs said:
Carbon V definately came first. It was the brainchild of the Metal God, Dan Maragni, & was, in my opinion, what put Cold Steel on the map all those years ago.

When Cold Steel came to Camillus to make their carbon steel knives, they did not want to pay for the vast amount of steel that had to be purchased in order to have a custom steel made to their specifications.
Consequently Cold Steel agreed that Camillus could also use the steel (& pay them a royalty, I believe) but could not call it Carbon V.

I came up with the name 0170-6C, based on an almost close (but NOT) steel produced by Sharron Steel called 0170-6.

All this is historical trivia.

The real issue for those who understand is Heat Treatment!

The reason that the Camillus Beckers perform so well is that Dan Maragni set up a system of heat treatment at Camillus for the Cold Steel knives, & oversaw almost every batch of knives produced. What we learnt about heat treating Cold Steel seeped over to the Becker knives.
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maethor said:
I'll probably step down from this. No money + I already have a knife pretty much like this + the risk/extra cost of international shipping. On the other hand... A 200-off knife, free micarta scales, special offer... kinda depends on how long it takes until we actually start ordering. I'll start earning some money so it'll be easier to justify this for myself :D In the specs it says "Kydex sheath"... will that be something like the BK-2 sheath or what?

Anyways... this is gonna be awesome.

I was just thinking... if I buy this, I can beat the bollocks out of my BK-2, if I manage to destroy it I have another one... And the collector's value of these things will be crazy in a few years.
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Ordering will start in one week.

The BK2 and the BK10 are nothing alike, other than OAL. They handle differently, and cut differently. The BK10 is basically a scaled down BK7. The BK10 is closer to a bushcraft BKT than the BK2 is (I can't believe I just sed that :grumpy:), and feels alot different in the hand.

Get some of that. :D

Moose
 
Well I'm definitely in! Probably can't afford it, but I'm in. Someone wake me up when I need to order.

Claudiasboris
 
Hm, now that I think about it, the 10 might be more suitable for a Nessmuk Trio than the BK2, at least in summer and with less than 4 people... Folder, BK10 and folding saw. $107 (if I don't have to pay extra for intl. shipping), hell that is cheaper than a BK2 - at least over here :D

I better get to work and earn some money.
 
maethor said:
Hm, now that I think about it, the 10 might be more suitable for a Nessmuk Trio than the BK2, at least in summer and with less than 4 people... Folder, BK10 and folding saw. $107 (if I don't have to pay extra for intl. shipping), hell that is cheaper than a BK2 - at least over here :D

I better get to work and earn some money.
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Good man.

Moose
 
I thought that Steel sounded familiar, I got mixed up somehow.

I called Kabar and Bladite answered the phone..........WTF
 
moosez45 said:
The BK2 and the BK10 are nothing alike, other than OAL. They handle differently, and cut differently. The BK10 is basically a scaled down BK7. The BK10 is closer to a bushcraft BKT than the BK2 is (I can't believe I just sed that :grumpy:), and feels alot different in the hand.
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Thought I'd make myself slightly useful. In every picture below, L to R is BK-10, Camillus BK-2, Ka-Bar BK-2, Ritter/Becker Perseverance.

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Man, that knife is sexy. Sturdy tip, wide blade, looks like a good slicer! If it's really like a shorter BK7 or 9, I think I'm gonna love it. Not a huge fan of the clip point, but hey, there's always the possibility to take it to a bench grinder. plus it always has the jimping, and thumb ramps are awesome.
 
Seriously!!! I leave for a couple hours and this happens???!!?!?!


I just want to know where to sign up. :D *droolll*
I knew I was saving up for something I just didn't know what it was yet.


Thanks to who ever pushed this for us!! Really! And thanks to all our MODs too. I'm sure you guys had something to do with it :)
 
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