Discount Knives, terrible experience

Ah, so when I placed my online order, I should have recieved an automatic email confirmation message? I did not get one of those. After I placed the order, I got a screen confirming they had recieved my order, but no email. Maybe this is my problem. This is the second time I have tried to order a surefire from brian, but neither time did I recieve a confirmation email.
 
RGRAY, I'll quit b**ching when he follows through with what he says. Telling people that he "never charges for an order until it is shipped" was just not the case for one of the items I ordered. My most recent response was that he put through a credit on my card on Friday. My credit card company is not showing any credit as of tonight.

I tried using Discount Knives because of the positive experiences so many people on Blade Forums had with him. He has decided that being less then straight with me on this one order is ok business. I'm sorry, it is not.

This whole thing is a small inconvience for me. My credit card company will take care of the charge since I have now put it into dispute. I'm really not out anything other then my wife did not receive one of her Christmas presents. I just don't like not being told the truth. I wasn't and if that doesn't bother you fine. If people like dealing with DK, go ahead, no skin off my back. But please, don't tell me not to b**ch when someone has repeatedly been less than straight with me. I think I have a strong case to complain.


 
Bob T, after hearing about your problem with Discount Knives, I am glad i ordered my Sifu through Pro edge up in Canada! I was going to order a Sifu from Discount knives after looking at his price on them. For some reason i didnt and ordered from Pro Edge in Canada. Service was excellent aND knife didnt have any screws missing and was NIT.
 
Hello Bob T.

Hmm.. Let's see if I got this right.. Your first order from Brian *WAS* shipped, that's why you have your credit card billed, right?

When the order got lost, Brian had to RE-SHIP the whole bunch, save for one knife which he doesn't have on stock, and then later emailed you to say that they have it on stock already, and asked if you still want the item or not, right? And you responded to his email in a not-so-nice manner (correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I see it).

IMHO, this is the regular procedure that online dealers follow. Pls. remember that you're not the one on the losing end. When the items get lost, they will have to file a claim with the postal service, and wait for that claim to be verified before they get paid by insurance. So in the second shipment, if DK ran out of stock on that one item, and got it afterwards, I believe Brian did the right thing to ask you if you still want it or not, coz I'm pretty sure that if you told him that you didn't want the item anymore, he would have reimbursed you the amount. No need to tell him that you still wanted it "specially" because he already charged it to your card. He already reshipped your items, out of his pocket (until he gets paid by USPS, IF and when). You weren't charged the second shipment cost.

As to your not being reimbursed right away the minute that item wasn't shipped along the 2nd shipment, you were charged for the first one that didn't arrived. You weren't charged for something that was on backorder. If the first shipment had arrived, and that one knife is missing, due to DK's being out of stock on that item, and you were still charged, then you can say that. But from what I read, that's not what happened.

You have every right to bitch about it if you find DK less than satisfactory to your standards, but I believe a little consideration on your part wouldn't have hurt either.

I'm just looking at what happened in a logical manner. If I have offended you with this message, then pls. accept my apologies.

Just my 2c.

Dan
 
While I am waiting for my shipment from DK to arrive (promised this week), it occurred to me that one has to have a little give and take with on-line dealers versus going to a local knife store. It is fairly obvious that a dealer can not stock all the knives he shows on his site without having had to shell out a huge chunk of dough, and I doubt many do this. When an order comes in, they go to their distributor or to the manufacturer. Some dealers have better relationships with these guys than others, some pay faster, etc. Then again, distributors and manufacturers run into stocking and production numbers. So there is often a chain of events. I for one will give most dealers the benefit of the doubt to begin with. But consistent bad service, out right lying, non-delivery, these are all good reasons to post on Good, Bad, Ugly. Dealers will get the message from these posts if they are truly attentive to us. Thanks for hearing me out.

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Dannyc,

First off, no hurt feelings. I think bring out other points is great and the type of dialog that should transpire here. I’m one who believes there are always two sides to a situation and it is easy for one to lose perspective.

To address some of the questions you raised, first, I don’t know if the first order was shipped. If it was shipped when he said it was, he did not bill the card at that time. When he said the order was lost, I asked for a ship date, shipping method, and tracking number if the carrier he chose had tracking. He did not provide me with this information. So was an initial package shipped, I don’t know. From additional events, I doubt it but can’t say that with total certainty.

Yes, when I responded to his message in a sarcastic manner a month and half later that I still wanted it, this was after I had emailed him a few more times recently inquiring on the status of the knife. So yes, when I got this message it was in stock, I was a little upset. By now I would have thought it was quit clear I wanted the knife.

When he said the knife was in stock and if I still wanted it, he again did not ship it. Apparently he did not have it in stock. Maybe the manufacturer or distributor had it in stock but not Discount Knives.

My relationship with DK is they are the retailer and I’m the customer. When a retailer tells a customer an item is in stock with out any further clarification, I think most people would make a reasonable assumption the retailer had the item available. If someone called a car dealer to find out if they had a part in stock and was told yes they did, and then the customer went to pick it up and was told it was really in stock at a warehouse or other location, would you say this was being truthful with the customer? We can play word games with some of this but it will start sounding like Clinton trying to define “is”.

When I was told that a credit had been put through on my charge on Friday and it had not, the issue is honesty, not the money. As I’ve said elsewhere, I don’t care about the money part at this point, I will get that resolved. The issue is what has been told to me.

Your point about a partial order being shipped and that I was charged for the full order is correct. Again, I have no complaints about this having been done. But no product, no credit, and poor communication are inexcusable.

Finally, I have been more then understanding and patient. I have been considerate of the holiday rush, a backorder situation, a shipment possibly lost. I did not post anything here on this transaction until waiting two months for this issue to be resolved. Should I have waited 3 or 4 months, a year?

I’m trying to present this situation as clearly and accurately as I can. Others can chose to do business with DK or not. That makes no difference to me. I won’t because I don’t feel my experience was acceptable business. DK maybe will try to prevent this from happening again. That also makes no difference to me although it might for others that use them in the future.

I hope this helps clarify things from my perspective. Again, I have no ill will over the points you brought up which are valid. This is the way this forum should work.

 
One further piece of information. After my last post, I called my credit card company again. As of today, they are showing a credit on my account for the knife. This transaction was not posted as of last night but is today.

 
Well gang, I received a copy of the credit slip today in the mail from DK. This was dated from Friday and the postmark was Saturday. So, Brian did put through a credit on Friday as he had stated to me. For whatever reason, my credit card company did not post this to my account until today.

This means that when he said he credited my card on Friday, that was correct. So my apologies to both the members of Blade Forums and to Brian on this point. Although I thought I had accurate information from my credit card company, I did not. In hindsight, I should have waited a few more days regarding any comments on the credit.

This still does not absolve the other issues I experienced for me to do future business with DK. However, this clarification needed to be made.
 
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