• The BladeForums.com 2024 Traditional Knife is ready to order! See this thread for details: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bladeforums-2024-traditional-knife.2003187/
    Price is $300 $250 ea (shipped within CONUS). If you live outside the US, I will contact you after your order for extra shipping charges.
    Order here: https://www.bladeforums.com/help/2024-traditional/ - Order as many as you like, we have plenty.

  • Today marks the 24th anniversary of 9/11. I pray that this nation does not forget the loss of lives from this horrible event. Yesterday conservative commentator Charlie Kirk was murdered, and I worry about what is to come. Please love one another and your family in these trying times - Spark

Diseased Critters

I've heard brains are better for making leather instead of eating anyways
 
I don't eat rabbit because of Rabbit Fever--Tularemia.

Squirrels get wolves, but that's usually only in the hottest part of the year. From October on, you should be pretty safe.

I've never duck hunted, so I don't know jack about them.

But I can tell you that pigeon is pretty good. And frog legs are awesome.
 
I'm thinking I might just turn vegetarian if in a survival situation now !!!:eek::D
 
shecky said:
Around here, we call them warbles. They're bot fly larva that presumably don't affect the surrounding meat. But if you've ever seen them, you'll likely be repulsed enough to just toss the whole critter.
Click to expand...

you kiddin' me, brother - that's free protein.... :D:thumbup:

tularemia can be taken care of easily by using a quick round of antibiotics, if recall correctly - plus its a lot harder to get than folks say.

don't clean suspect animals when you have open cuts on your hands, etc.

gloves are best.

vec
 
Well my critter eating bretheren..I hate to a doomsayer but this chills me. Its DECEMBER!!.. and every deer or hog we drop (for the past 10 years or more) has been covered in ticks, not a "few", not a dozen or so but hundreds of them. so many that it "icks" you out to dress them. Maybe its the weather but even animals that we've tracked down after 24 and 36 hours still have these parasites attached to the skin. so that old tale about them letting go when a downed animal cools is horse manure. I eat rabbits,squirells,birds and just about anything that leaps,crawls,hops,slithers or flys but even being an ole farm boy I use cleaning gloves and avoid internal organs...my standard these days is those yellow kitchen gloves with tape around the top. But even then there has been occasions where I nicked the glove on a bone chip or with the blade and finished dressing without even knowing. Brother Vec: What kind of antibiotic is used to treat this? If I know that I might have a clue as to where and how to get it in a survival sitution..there might even be a plant or herb that can be used. Knowledge is power in these times.
 
Anrkst6973 said:
Well my critter eating bretheren..I hate to a doomsayer but this chills me. Its DECEMBER!!.. and every deer or hog we drop (for the past 10 years or more) has been covered in ticks, not a "few", not a dozen or so but hundreds of them. so many that it "icks" you out to dress them. Maybe its the weather but even animals that we've tracked down after 24 and 36 hours still have these parasites attached to the skin. so that old tale about them letting go when a downed animal cools is horse manure. I eat rabbits,squirells,birds and just about anything that leaps,crawls,hops,slithers or flys but even being an ole farm boy I use cleaning gloves and avoid internal organs...my standard these days is those yellow kitchen gloves with tape around the top. But even then there has been occasions where I nicked the glove on a bone chip or with the blade and finished dressing without even knowing. Brother Vec: What kind of antibiotic is used to treat this? If I know that I might have a clue as to where and how to get it in a survival sitution..there might even be a plant or herb that can be used. Knowledge is power in these times.
Click to expand...

What are you trying to guard against with the gloves? I get about that many ticks a year myself. :o Chris
 
Mostly blood bore pathogens AW. (chalk it up to having worked in corrections and security... my Sgt would be proud.) I just find it distasteful that my blade is cutting thru ticks while trying to dress an animal I'm going to eat. I know that some infestation is part of the natural order but the animals here are crawling with them. even in December. There are frogs croaking right now(sounds like spring in the bottoms) so the infestation goes on year round. I'm trying to field dress a deer and ticks are crawling up my gloves( hence the longer kitchen gloves and tape to hold them up) Baby rabbits, infant deer even small snakes are dying from the parasites. Pin worms, hook worms, heart worms,round worms, tape worms plus whatever might be in the parasite bodies that I cut thru..scarlet fever, rocky mountian fever, even malaria is a risk with a many mosquitos as we have here. insect/parasite repellent is almost a requirement year round here(and the stuff stinks, I hate wearing it.. more so while hunting) Lets face it..guys like us are not going to stop going outdoors, hunting,fishing ect. But we have to know what risk we take and how to avoid and adjust. If I can find out what the illness is then then I can a way to deal with it should my woods stomping put me at risk. Side note: USDA and NFS recommend eating not more than 12 oz per month of fish taken from the local and largest lake near me..mercury contamination..been eating those fish for 10 damn years and now they tell me. go figure.
 
I'm with Chris, use common sense. I always take a look at the internal organs: liver, intestine, lungs, heart. If there's anything that doesn't look right, the whole thing gets buried. However, if I were in a eat-it-or-starve situation, "looking right" might take on a different meaning...

J-
 
Anrkst6973 said:
Brother Vec: What kind of antibiotic is used to treat this? If I know that I might have a clue as to where and how to get it in a survival sitution..there might even be a plant or herb that can be used. Knowledge is power in these times.
Click to expand...

keeping in mind that i am not a doctor, and that i think anything from Wikipedia should be strongly suspect, ...i follow the CDC's recommendation on their Mass Causualty protocols, because Doxycylcine taken orally is also a malarial preventative that i keep handy when i am in the jungle.

the IM shots require expertise and management, where the pills do not so much....

HTH.

do yourself a big favor and read this article.
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/tularemia/tularemia-biological-weapon-abstract.asp#4


Patient Category Recommended Therapy
Contained Casualty
Adults Preferred choices:
Streptomycin, 1g IM twice daily
Gentamicin, 5 mg/kg IM or IV once daily†

Alternative choices:
Doxycycline, 100 mg IV twice daily
Chloramphenicol, 15 mg/kg IV 4 times daily
Ciprofloxacin, 400 mg IV twice daily†

Children Preferred choices:
Streptomycin, 15 mg/kg IM twice daily (should not exceed 2 gm/d)
Gentamicin, 2.5 mg/kg IM or IV 3 times daily†

Alternative choices:
Doxycycline,
If weight >= 45 kg, 100 mg IV
If weight < 45 kg, give 2.2 mg/kg IV twice daily
Chloramphenicol, 15 mg/kg IV 4 times daily†
Ciprofloxacin, 15 mg/kg IV twice daily‡

Pregnant Women Preferred choices:
Gentamicin, 5 mg/kg IM or IV once daily†
Streptomycin, 1 g IM twice daily

Alternative choices:
Doxycycline, 100 mg IV twice daily
Ciprofloxacin, 400 mg IV twice daily†

Mass Casualty Setting and Postexposure Prophylaxis
Adults Preferred choices:
Doxycycline, 100 mg orally twice daily
Ciprofloxacin, 500 mg orally twice daily†
Children Preferred choices:
Doxycycline, and
If >=45kg give 100 mg orally twice daily
If <45 kg then give 2.2 mg/kg orally twice daily Ciprofloxacin, 15 mg/kg orally twice daily‡

Pregnant Women Preferred choices:
Ciprofloxacin, 500 mg orally twice daily†
Doxycycline, 100 mg orally twice daily

note that cipro is favored for small children in the Mass Casualty protocol.

Doxycycline weighs less per dose than the Ciprofloxacin does, as you might notice, but you have to take it longer, while either might be a key factor in your choice, the cipro is good for other stuff, so it's good to load up on both.

from the article, linked.

"In a mass casualty setting, doxycycline and ciprofloxacin, administered orally, are the preferred choices for treatment of both adults and children. As described in the table below, 'Treatment with ciprofloxacin should be continued for 10 days; treatment with doxycycline should be continued for 14-21 days.' "

i favor the doxycycline, myself, when i can have only one for some reason.


- if you are preparing for the worst, keep in mind that it is no good having only doses for your self when you will keep being exposed to other sick indivivduals - calculate how many folks in your immediate clan could be sick and what their conditions are (pregnant, child, etc.) and have does of each for them x 2, and also make isolation contingency plans.

- that's just my opinion, brethren.

........

per your natural prophylaxis question;

a good strong pine needle tea once in the morning and once at night (at least) is a good way to hyper-load on the Viatamin C, to keep you healthy when in exposure areas (IMHO - keep in mind that i don't get sick often). - there are many other solutions.

corpsman up vec
 
Anrkst6973 said:
Thank Vec. I'm copying this for my files.
Click to expand...

you betcha, brother.

i suggest you check the linked file every year or so to get updated.

Streptomycin isn't being marketed in the USA anymore, last i checked, for example.- although that isn't applicable to my suggestion of the oral meds options, it is indicative of how recommendations change, as well as meds availability.

HTH.

vec
 
http://library.thinkquest.org/05aug/00044/id41.htm

This is just one quick search and the first site that came up, if you really want to worry do a little digging on commercial meats.

I have a lot more faith in what I prepare and bring to the table than what I buy, I know exactly how the meat was cared for and handled.

Lots more people get sick from eating taco bell but nobody talks about that on a survival forum. How about a new thread about the chemicals in your bacon cheeseburger. I would also rather have a few, or even a lot of ticks, than the chemicals and pesticides sprayed, injected and fed to domestic live stock. Chris

EDIT: Forgot to add this.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16035176/
 
Last edited:
August West said:
http://library.thinkquest.org/05aug/00044/id41.htm

This is just one quick search and the first site that came up, if you really want to worry do a little digging on commercial meats.

I have a lot more faith in what I prepare and bring to the table than what I buy, I know exactly how the meat was cared for and handled.

Lots more people get sick from eating taco bell but nobody talks about that on a survival forum. How about a new thread about the chemicals in your bacon cheeseburger. I would also rather have a few, or even a lot of ticks, than the chemicals and pesticides sprayed, injected and fed to domestic live stock. Chris

EDIT: Forgot to add this.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16035176/
Click to expand...

right, brother.

i'm not much of an alarmist, but little things like eating fresh vegetables and drinking ice water in a restaurant, especially when flu is going around, can get you good.

if anyone is really worried about a mangy tick-infested rabbit they've shot, that's why the old-timers always had a big pot of boiling water on back at camp - just parboil the critter or scald it - no tick or surface infectant can live though that.

then peel it and stew it up.

vec
 
Thanks guys. Since I dont know JACK I was a little worried.

I have seen all the squirrel eating threads, and to be honest, they always make me a little hungry.:D

I will just cook em well and enjoy. (and also be carful handling and especially watch for tics)

Thanks again:thumbup:
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top