Do I need to add a first initial to my mark?

I like Tai Goo's mark. Stealthy, classy and interesting.
Not ever been a big fan of billboards. Less is more.
 
Jose, that is so off topic I just can't believe it!
Politics:thumbdn:
:)
 
newuser, if you hang around this forum in the future, I sure hope you show a lot more respect than you have in this thread.
 
Thanks for making me aware of your hopes and dreams pal. I think that situation was resolved about three pages ago. If not....
Nick, I apologize for mistaking you for someone. Obviously I like knives and you make knives. I have to respect that to a certain degree.
I think other people had more of an issue with it that Nick did as he seemed to keep it lighthearted and understand it was just a shot from a troll who would soon pass through and be forgotten.
 
newuser said:
Thanks for making me aware of your hopes and dreams pal. I think that situation was resolved about three pages ago. If not....
Nick, I apologize for mistaking you for someone. Obviously I like knives and you make knives. I have to respect that to a certain degree.
I think other people had more of an issue with it that Nick did as he seemed to keep it lighthearted and understand it was just a shot from a troll who would soon pass through and be forgotten.
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I'm certainly not taking up for newuser here as it was a disrespectful post, however we often see worst even from a select few of our regular posters, so why are we getting so worked up.

Besides, Nick handled it like a champ and demonstrated something we already know, that he's a class act with a lot of character.
 
it's one thing when your brother or sister sucker punches you and laughs while you try to get your breath back, but another thing entirely when a stranger comes up and sucker punches your brother or sister.
Then you see the red, and kick some ass.

We all like Nick a lot. That's why he gets the gears.:thumbup: But if some douchebag appears from nowhere and throws feces, well...:thumbdn:
understandable reactions all around, imo.
 
Kevin Jones said:
I'm certainly not taking up for newuser here as it was a disrespectful post, however we often see worst even from a select few of our regular posters, so why are we getting so worked up.
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I got upset because he was nothing more than a troll, and as such he has been banned.
 
GREAT!!!! He has been engaged in serious douchebaggery over in W&C where, unfortunately, we have to let him get away with it, at least for a while. Good thing that he came over here and tried the same stuff:thumbup::D
 
jdm61 said:
GREAT!!!! He has been engaged in serious douchebaggery over in W&C where, unfortunately, we have to let him get away with it, at least for a while. Good thing that he came over here and tried the same stuff:thumbup::D
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Good then. Sounds like he's been more of a problem than demonstrated here.
 
Well, the horse is down but still twitching, so one last beating.

Roger, your "solution looking for a problem" surprises, given the steady drip of queries wanting to identify makers of knives in the last, lost generation. I recently fired off a call for maker info with zero response. Two of his pieces had turned my head from a disbanded collection owned by a deceased collector of notable repute. Both name and mark have vanished from history/posterity in well less than 2 decades.

The surnames you cite are current stars, but stars come and go; only true icons stand the test of history and not all of your makers are or will become such. Les is fond of stating that plenty of JS makers are out-staring early MS makers, meaning better knives and nominal prices will put some older stars on buses to moribundland. Changing fashions will make dinosaurs of others. As the old guard rides over the hill, new stars greater than ever before will emerge to a new generation of collectors full of themselves and the supremacy of their moment oblivious to the coming transmogrify that will astound and depress them by the time their heads turn white.

The idea that current darlings with ambiguous marks can ride across history with their identities intact is historically incorrect and smacks of puerile egoism or at least running-with-the-herd apathy. Of course, makers unconcerned over historical presence have that right and my hearty blessing.

But what the heck, the train wreck is a generation away, and whatever the mark it will have no affect today and who cares about tomorrow. As for the makers, I'm sure ID confusion tomorrow will not follow them to their nursing homes or coffins.

Nevertheless, some makers preemptively found the problem and the solution. Bob Loveless, assured of celebrity from here to eternity regardless of mark, is the prime example. His mark includes first and middle name initials together with full last name and town and state. Nearly all of his disciples, i.e., M. Lovett, J. Young, S. Johnson, W.C. Johnson, R. Brown, R. Romaro, D. Kresser, S. Gatlin, C. Vestal, T. Buchanan, M. Takahashi, W.C. Davis, A. Desaulniers, have followed suite. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't recall any bitching over the size/artistry of Loveless' mark.

Interestingly, surname marks seemingly abound disproportionately among forgers. I wonder if Moran started this trend? There are exceptions, of course. I've already mentioned Ray Richard, and off hand I can think of E.R. Andrews and J. White, all of whom screw in their own light bulbs (savants), make marvelous knives, and are worthy of emulating whether ID fog bothers one or not.

ken
 
Good post, Ken. We can't all be legends but it would be nice to think that the fruits of your labor could at least be identified as yours even if it has no impact on demand.
 
Ken Williams said:
Well, the horse is down but still twitching, so one last beating.

Roger, your "solution looking for a problem" surprises, given the steady drip of queries wanting to identify makers of knives in the last, lost generation. I recently fired off a call for maker info with zero response. Two of his pieces had turned my head from a disbanded collection owned by a deceased collector of notable repute. Both name and mark have vanished from history/posterity in well less than 2 decades.

The surnames you cite are current stars, but stars come and go; only true icons stand the test of history and not all of your makers are or will become such. Les is fond of stating that plenty of JS makers are out-staring early MS makers, meaning better knives and nominal prices will put some older stars on buses to moribundland. Changing fashions will make dinosaurs of others. As the old guard rides over the hill, new stars greater than ever before will emerge to a new generation of collectors full of themselves and the supremacy of their moment oblivious to the coming transmogrify that will astound and depress them by the time their heads turn white.

The idea that current darlings with ambiguous marks can ride across history with their identities intact is historically incorrect and smacks of puerile egoism or at least running-with-the-herd apathy. Of course, makers unconcerned over historical presence have that right and my hearty blessing.

But what the heck, the train wreck is a generation away, and whatever the mark it will have no affect today and who cares about tomorrow. As for the makers, I'm sure ID confusion tomorrow will not follow them to their nursing homes or coffins.

Nevertheless, some makers preemptively found the problem and the solution. Bob Loveless, assured of celebrity from here to eternity regardless of mark, is the prime example. His mark includes first and middle name initials together with full last name and town and state. Nearly all of his disciples, i.e., M. Lovett, J. Young, S. Johnson, W.C. Johnson, R. Brown, R. Romaro, D. Kresser, S. Gatlin, C. Vestal, T. Buchanan, M. Takahashi, W.C. Davis, A. Desaulniers, have followed suite. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't recall any bitching over the size/artistry of Loveless' mark.

Interestingly, surname marks seemingly abound disproportionately among forgers. I wonder if Moran started this trend? There are exceptions, of course. I've already mentioned Ray Richard, and off hand I can think of E.R. Andrews and J. White, all of whom screw in their own light bulbs (savants), make marvelous knives, and are worthy of emulating whether ID fog bothers one or not.

ken
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Well said and very true IMO.
 
I often wonder if the last name only tendency with the metal pounders has anything to do with the fact that the fewer letters that you try to stamp in the blade, the less chance or messing up and the better chance that you will actually be able to read them.:D I recently switched to an etching machine, but kept my "stamp" style. I may change that and I sincerely hope that people are having these kinds of discussions about my knives 20-30 years from now;)
 
Wow,I really didn't expect this thread to do this.

Ken, no worries, I'm only 30.... I've got lots of time to become a knifemaking legend. ;)
 
this place is just full o surprises:)
 
Nick, you have less time than you think. Einstein was correct about time being relative and accelerating with age. Now 66, I turned 30 only 27 months ago, or so it seems.

ken
 
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