Do they still hunt lions and tigers anymore?

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I found it! I knew it was in my library somewhere. Here are more excerpts from Death in the Long Grass, by world-reknown sportsman & conservationist, former Game Warden, former professional-hunter, Peter Hathaway Capstick (c) 1977 St. Martin's Press.

Exposing the propaganda
"...In these days of mouth-foaming Disneyism, with ten or more hours a week of thinly veiled, antihunting, network wildlife shows drumming into every twelve-year-old mind tha tman is slaughtering everything in sight in the name of horrid bloodsport, it is fashionable to look upon hunters, especially professionals, as depraved, moronic, insensitive buffoons. That the sport hunter is more responsible for wildlife conservation, through habitate preservation and species management (financed through donations, whopping fees, licenses, and stiff excise taxes on his equipment), than any preservationist group is not widely understood...."

Who pays the way
"...If you doubt this, remember that the government brought out a special stamp a few years ago for $5, the proceeds of the sale going directly into wildlife and environmental conservation. The general public, who hoot and sneer at the hunter, didn't buy enough to fill three S&H stamp books, a tiny fraction of the monies generated by the sportsmen who pay the bird watcher's way..."

The cost to the hunter
"...If you are an ardent hunter hater, you're likely to stay that way. If, however, you are simply a nonhunter and don't have too much opinion...let me try to explain the sportsman's thinking....The nonhunter, if asked the purpose of quail hunting would usually reply that it was to kill quail. Actually, it's not. If the object was dead quail for the table....the cheapest, easiest, most practical method of achieving this woulbe be to buy a box of commercially raised...pan-ready birds for $1.75 apiece. This save one the bother of such matters as keeping and training bird dogs, securing licenses, risking snakebite, laying out for guns and shells....that probably cost the hunter an amortized average of at least $15 per bird per season, and possibly as much as $25..."

The Ethics involved
"...Just as a man may indeed slaughter an elephant from a safe distance, he may also hunt a particular one under a code of rules that is part of the same ethic that forbids passing signals to a partner at bridge....With elephants, however, the difference in playing the game honestly may have other consequences...It can get you dead, which is what make elephant hunting among the most moral of all sports when practiced honestly, with relatively equal risk to life of man and elephant..."

The Spirit of hunting
"...the object of sport hunting big, dangerous game under adverse condition is not to get killed any more than the object of a rock climber is to fall to his death. It is rather the deliberate exposure of one's life to real possibility of death purely for the sake of the experience itself. Sneer if you will, but you only will have half-lived your life if you never feel the icy clutch of danger for its own sake."

Defining ourselves as men
"...Any bloody fool can, without encountering the smallest modicum of risk, murder a bull elephant at 200 yards...This is not elephant hunting, but elephant killing. Yet, to walk for a week, thirsty and footsore over hot, dry, thorn-spiked terrain, disappointed a dozen times...frightened witless by the female of the species or seemingly unshootable bulls, and then to finally track down a big tusker in heavy cover for a confrontation at less than fifteen yards--well, that is elephant hunting. This is man against himself, the last and purest of the challenges that made us men, not animals."
 
This is my final post on this topic and in this particular thread. Dear Mr. Guncollector,

There many more people in the world that share my opinion, than there are that share your opinion and let's leave it at that. I don't have to provide squat to know what is morally right and what is morally wrong. I know that my values are sound...******SMILES*****

Enough said....CIAO!!!
 
Promised to stop writing but have to share this one with you.I just heard on the radio that some degenerate burned a 7 week old kitten on a BBQ grill while other people watched and laughed while saying "meaaw,meaw" etc.Someone rescued the kitten from the fire but it was too badly burned so it had to be put to death.I know for sure that if I saw this I would stab as many people if you can call them that,as many times as I could.I want to ask our mighty lion hunters what would they do, should they have witnessed such a BBQ?PS. Thor Tso,right on bro!
 
Stabbing people as many times as you could for hurting an animal will land you in jail.

The person who rescued the kitten did it correctly.
 
This is my final post on this topic and in this particular thread. Dear Mr. Guncollector,

There many more people in the world that share my opinion, than there are that share your opinion and let's leave it at that. I don't have to provide squat to know what is morally right and what is morally wrong. I know that my values are sound...******SMILES*****

Enough said....CIAO!!!

ThorTso,

I can respect that. Heck, if we met tomorrow in Johannesburg bar, I'd buy you a beer and start talking knives and pens--anything but hunting talk. ;)

It is difficult to change people's mind--and often a waste of time to try--on religion, politics, hunting, sports teams, or dating redheaded women. :)

Re: morality, well, I go to Church every week (well, okay 1-2 x's/mo.) and often talk fishing and hunting stories with our Father Dan. He hasn't ex-communicated me, so I guess I'm on sound moral ground too.

Fortunately for the world, those that share my view (on hunting) are in the Govermental and Game Reserve/Park positions that administer the remaining wilderness. Fortunately for the world, large universities--with reputations for agriculture/livestock studies--such as UC Davis (Calif.) and Univ. of Praetoria (RSA) maintain entire departments devoted to wildlife & game management.

JG-

Animal cruelty is reprehensible, but shares nothing in common with sport hunters. I don't know what your point is, but you don't see me pointing to isolated terroristic activities by fringe groups like PETA and associating those activities with ThorTso (i.e. anti-hunters).

Well, heck, if we met I'd insist on buying you a beer too, and just talk knives and everything but animals.

However, not knowing if its your background or immaturity, but due to your disturbing obsession with criminal behaviour and expressed wishes to stab the perpetrators of the reprehensible kitten-episode above (its truly frightening how your posts so easily condone the killing/maiming of people)--I'd prefer meeting in state where I have a CCW, with Special Forces-trained Oupa as my backup (if you get my drift). Better safe than sorry I say.

To everyone else-

Get the facts, come to terms with the reality of the dwinding wilderness and the needed resources to maintain them, and make-up your own mind.

It bears repeating again: It is difficult to change people's mind--and often a waste of time to try--on religion, politics, hunting, sports teams, or dating redheaded women.
 
:D

Hey Ron...we agree on something!!!!! Now THAT's progress....heck if I met you I would also buy you a beer...and talk about knives and gear .....
As for dating redheads....errrrr...i honestly dunno
:D :D :D
 
ThorTso appears to be an anti-hunter. A view point which while I do not agree with is a valid one and can bring forward debate that can be thought provoking.
John Gerasimov with his repeated statements of harming persons,


QUOTE]On the other hand I might go to cap a couple of poachers,he-he-he.[/QUOTE]

There are other thing to shoot for Christ`sake.Become a mercenary,a bounty-hunter,look for Bin-Laden.

As I said there are plenty of people on the planet that need to be killed(pedophiles

I know for sure that if I saw this I would stab as many people if you can call them that,as many times as I could.

His repeated references to male genitelia and pornography

People who kill cats for any reason but self-defense are the worst scumbags and cowards with extremely small penises.(

In China small-dicked individuals pay big$$ for tiger bones

and total lack of regard for human life ( read his posts in their whole) leads me to believe that perhaps the following statement

One last post,as for homework stuff and low fat,I was a steroid user at the age of 16 back in USSR and I eat a medium rare bloody steak every day

regarding steriod use perhaps validates the claims of harm steriods may do to the mind. John maybe you need to see a specialist.
While I too find it terrible to barbeque a kitten, upon a through investigation of the events surrounding this incident I would wonder if a death sentence via stabbing is warrented vs a hefty fine and the shame one will live with I would imagine ( not having the facts here with me just an educated guess) when the idiots sobered/got off their
drug induced highs.
 
Mr. Gerasimov,

I am a long-time hunter. No one I know is that cruel and degenerate, so I am at somewhat of a loss as to what to do. I would never even be at such a vicious party(were they big-city liberals?!).

I suppose I would have taken the peppergas out of my pocket and sprayed down the perpetrator and perhaps even the audience, too(making me an instant felon, no doubt, and forever throwing away my right to own guns and vote--political suicide.)

I guess I better stay away from maniacs.

If you folks truly want to understand hunting and hunters, read the aforementioned Jose Ortega Y Gasset book. I have seen several quotes from this book over the years, and they accurately reflect my attitudes on hunting. Senor Ortega Y Gasset says it better than I ever could. I am at a loss to explain an experiential concept to people who want only to have an armchair, theoretical grasp of the subject.

Not a flame to anyone, just my weak attempt at clarification.

Cheers

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"I'm filling my mind with ideas so primitive that you could never hope to comprehend them," the proto Captain Kirk fellow from The Menagerie.
 
hstdist/Ken observes:
While I too find it terrible to barbeque a kitten, upon a through investigation of the events surrounding this incident I would wonder if a death sentence via stabbing is warrented vs a hefty fine and the shame one will live with I would imagine ( not having the facts here with me just an educated guess) when the idiots sobered/got off their drug induced highs.

Ken-

Well stated.

For the depraved perpetrators of the (as yet unconfirmed) animal-cruelty episode, I would hope that, in addition to monetary fines, they be sentenced to serve some time in the Fun House.

OTOH, I would demand a life-sentence for he who would be self-appointed judge & jury and carry out said multiple stabbings.

Remember (as we all need reminding), Big Brother (not to mention many fellow LEO-forumites [hopefully in the greater NY area]) is watching. What you express even in cyberspace can revisit you at another time...
 
Look people,I don`t equate frying kittens with hunting of any kind.It`s a well-known fact that serial killers START from killing and torturing animals before moving up to boys and girls.Should I (God forbid) ever hurt or kill someone in the process of preventing them from frying a kitten,I assure you a lot of people would be on my side from both right and left.I have been in a real fight a few times in Russia and pulled a knife on an unleashed pitbul that was coming at me here in the Bronx recently(there are dozens of drugdealers with pitbulls(with removed vocal cords so they attack silently) here on my block,the owner called the dog back in time and apologized profusely seeing my Russian face and an Ontario marine folder).That sums up my criminal activity.As I said,recently Michael Savage(a very conservative radio host) said he would do anything including killing to stop a person trying to kill a dog or a cat.As for demanding a life sentence for someone who rids the world of kitten BBQers,whose side are you on(sure there should be some time done in the can)?
 
Look people,I don`t equate frying kittens with hunting of any kind.
As well you shouldn't.

It`s a well-known fact that serial killers START from killing and torturing animals before moving up to boys and girls.
Totally irrelevant to the debate at hand. You need to take your yearning to discuss criminals, serial killers, and animal-cruelty over to the Whine & Cheese forum post-haste.

Should I (God forbid) ever hurt or kill someone in the process of preventing them from frying a kitten,I assure you a lot of people would be on my side from both right and left.
I hope that will be sufficient comfort to you when you become an Inmate's "wife" in the pokey.

I have been in a real fight a few times in Russia and pulled a knife on an unleashed pitbul that was coming at me here in the Bronx recently(there are dozens of drugdealers with pitbulls(with removed vocal cords so they attack silently) here on my block,the owner called the dog back in time and apologized profusely seeing my Russian face and an Ontario marine folder).That sums up my criminal activity.
You know, John, no offense, but your continued irrelevant drivel about your tough-guy background, steroid use, and rough neighborhood is demonstrating serious inadequacy issues on your part. Again, if you want an audience for these stories, please take them to the Whine & Cheese forum.

As I said,recently Michael Savage(a very conservative radio host) said he would do anything including killing to stop a person trying to kill a dog or a cat.
Earth-to-John, Savage is a talking head. He maintains high-ratings with over-enthusiastic rhetoric. In reality, I doubt he would lift a finger in such a situation and risk his life and career. That being said, I like to occasionally listen to Savage.

As for demanding a life sentence for someone who rids the world of kitten BBQers,whose side are you on(sure there should be some time done in the can)?
I'm on the side Justice.

And I only demand a life-sentence (potentiall capital punishment) for those who take justice into their own hands, self-appoint themselves judge & jury, and carry out reprehensible maimings/killings as a consequence.

You say you've resided in the States since about 1990. Heard of the Law? Are you not aware there exists a criminal-justice system here? Wrong-doers in America must be brought to trial, afforded legal representation, and judged by a jury (should he request it) of his peers, and sentenced accordance with laws. Without our justice system, John, we'd all suffer what your forbears did under Stalin.

Look, I think you're probably an ok guy--despite my tongue-in-cheek scenario of meeting you in a bar above.

You need to tone-down the rhetoric and understand this Forum is not the same as private conversations you have with your mates after a few beers. It is a public place. You must take care in crafting your statements in public, as what you say has repercussions here. Try walking into a crowded public square in Brooklyn and shouting, "I WILL STAB & KILL ANY/ALL KITTY-TORTURERS". See what the reaction is. You will suffer social-banishment, and mothers with little children will b-line in the opposite direction. If there are LEO's around, they will take great interest in you.

Here is no different, despite the physical proximity. Here you need to be civil, stay on topic, avoid inflammatory rhetoric, and maintain a productive discourse. If you can't do that, then you will not only be unwelcome here, but will be prevented from further postings by our Moderators.

Be well,
 
Ron:
You gotta give it up buddy. Trying to get John to debate something using common sense rational arguments is fruitless.

Now he tells us that serial killers abused animals as children. While some did, many did not [Chris wilder was an animal lover, he just hated women]

I think his years of steroid abuse has left him with the mind of Lyle Alzado just before his death.

John, are you a violent man BTW? You seem to make reference to an awful lot of violent acts directed towards people. Maybe you love cats but hate people:p :p
 
Wolf-

Oh, we're way beyond debate. ;)

Now, I'm only trying to afford a newbie a second chance here in the Forums, by laying down the ground rules. Call me an optimist, but I think a guy from the tough part of St. Petersburg could have some potentially positive contributions to make, if he'd just tone it down.
 
My fellow knifeknuts,I`m not a psyco with an inferiority complex as you try to portray me,I`ve seen my share of tough situations and tough people,as some of you did,no doubt,as for my self-admitted steroid use(not abuse)thera are 3 million steroid users in US alone,and 100% of athletes you admire are on it,the biggest steroid users in US are cops.I did mine back in USSR wnere it`s not illegal,the last thing I need is a wife with a big dick in US prison.My sole point is that I don`t need a lion skin on my wall to feel like man and I would bet my last dollar that some of you do.I swear to not write here anymore,because I feel somebody here might squeal on me being a Russian cat-loving killer wannabe with an unfair chemical advantage.Good day,gentlemen.
 
Hmmm....
Maybe you get like that if you play with pussy too much.
:eek:
Pussy-cats that is.:D
 
JG affirms:
I swear to not write here anymore,because I feel somebody here might squeal on me being a Russian cat-loving killer wannabe with an unfair chemical advantage.Good day,gentlemen.

Well, I wasn't suggesting total self-censure, but hey, its a free country (and Forum) so do as you wish.

FYI, there are no rats here. However, you've done a stellar job of potential self-incrimination.
 
I can't believe some of the flakes in this thread who even attempted to sound intelligible.

John: your credibility was toast as soon as you declared that killing a lion was as wrong as pedophilia. Stay away from my nieces and nephews you steroid chugging, cat-loving weirdo.

By the way, anything that defecates in your house and pisses on your stovetop is a filthy, sneaky loathsome creature. I can't count how many homes I've been in which have been ruined by the sickening stench of cat piss. I certainly wouldn't BBQ a cat, nor would I go out of my way to kill one, but I can't stand those stinky, spoiled, surly flea-bags and I want everyone to know it. :D

Thor: if you want to be a pansy and shudder in fear that this thread may become too emotionally charged, then simply don't read it. Who are you to advocate closing this thread because you are unable to intelligently debate the merits of the argument? This is the United States, not S. Africa. Get lost if you can't handle it.
 
Originally posted by komondor
I can't believe some of the flakes in this thread who even attempted to sound intelligible.

John: your credibility was toast as soon as you declared that killing a lion was as wrong as pedophilia. Stay away from my nieces and nephews you steroid chugging, cat-loving weirdo.

By the way, anything that defecates in your house and pisses on your stovetop is a filthy, sneaky loathsome creature. I can't count how many homes I've been in which have been ruined by the sickening stench of cat piss. I certainly wouldn't BBQ a cat, nor would I go out of my way to kill one, but I can't stand those stinky, spoiled, surly flea-bags and I want everyone to know it. :D

Thor: if you want to be a pansy and shudder in fear that this thread may become too emotionally charged, then simply don't read it. Who are you to advocate closing this thread because you are unable to intelligently debate the merits of the argument? This is the United States, not S. Africa. Get lost if you can't handle it.

Listen here, can you see the date on the thread? Don't be obtuse komondor. Your personal attacks on me and others who contributed to this thread perhaps is indicative of your state of mind hmmmmmm? It is clear you do not like cats. Enough said. As for the rest of your assumptions about cats, please....rather be THOUGHT a fool than to speak up and leave no doubt about it....kapish?;)
 
Seeing that no valuable content whatsoever is being added to this thread, I beleive it's time for a lock down.
 
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