Do we want to keep our knives? Blade’s editorial and Customs.

Gollnick --

Hmm, I think you may be right. To be sure I've read about more than just the recent emigration incident you cite above, but can't specifically sort out what story applies to whom.

Joe
 
If you call being sick and tired of watching corruption whining, you are F'n-A right. I have had 3 E-mails this morning on this crap. Only one of them would be what I would consider "civil," so, I advise you to hump someone else. I'm out of it.
 
Calling someone a "whiner" because they are sick of corruption in their country pretty much brings on a "kind and considerate" attitude.

 
Oh, I see what you mean now Don. I guess I should go delete my post since I have apparently offended you. Tough. I call em like I see em. Don't you?
 
If I called them like I saw them, I would not be a Moderator any longer at this point, savvy? I would be banished from this place.

I rather like the information I exchange with others here. Just not on the subject of Law Enforcement because they are untouchable. You don't seem to understand what I am talking about...
 
I think that it would be best for you two to continue your private argument via email and let people get back on the topic.
 
Erik,

I am not having an argument, but I am not going to be slapped around either. If he wants to delete them all, that is fine with me. I don't want to fight. I won't be bullied either...
 
to interject.......Don is NOT whining...he is expressing his opinion.....FIRST Amendment right that soon may go by the wayside if this country continues on its present course....I will repeat my quote from my first post.......When the wicked rule the people groan..........groooooooooooan!

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Damn!! those, who would tread on your Right's, and to Hell with those that stand by and let it happen passively. To many good lives have been given in defence of those who would wrong us, and when it happen's on our own soil, we have to talk legaleese and become like them? I think not! Is it not what freedom of speech is all about!

I'm sorry, but crap like this, makes my BLOOD BOIL!!
Pissed Off, Ironhorse
 
My above post refers to the original post and story and not to the above discussion I have to go back and finish working the Heavy bag and get rid of my excess testosterone. Ironhorse
 
I'd like to see Mr. Shackelford's article. Is it posted on the forums someplace?

As for opinions, everyone is entitled to theirs, no matter what. I agree with Para. Don't delete your posts, Don. State your opinion, and stand up for that opinion.

As for LEO's being "untouchable", that is a huge load of BS. LEO's who misuse their power get investigated, and LOSE their careers. Period. The State of Washington, and its Political subdivisions (City & County governments) are extremely harsh on said LEO's, and have a ZERO tolerance policy.
The Feds...now thats another story, but from what I've seen around here, the Feds are pretty careful.

In closing, Mr. Shakelford is entitled to his opinion, just like the rest of us, but it sounds like he needed to think about what he was going to write, and not be so harsh . I also agree the CRKT incident pissed off many of us, and it should have been handled differently, but insulting the officers involved accomplishes nothing. As Tom Mayo stated; they were TOLD what to do, and if they didn't do it, they'd be unemployed. It is the higher ups in the federal agencies who need to be relieved of their responsibilities, because they obviously cannot handle it.

CODE 3....rant mode off.
 
You know, I've been a member here since day one. I'm friends with lots of collectors, makers and dealers, and am even in some hot water at my job over some poor judgement exercised by one of them. (That's another can of worms entirely and I am unable to discuss it freely.)

I've had the privilege of helping some makers with their knife designs and naming their creations.

It's been a very rewarding experience overall.

And, yep, I'm a Special Agent with US Customs.

What bothers me is not that folks disagreed with the actions taken re: CRKT, but rather that some folks feel that in order to take a stance they have to paint all LEO's as rabid. (Hell, I disagreed with the actions taken and expressed it here on these forums.)

I have not discussed this matter with Don Rearic, nor am I one of the individuals who have emailed him over this either. Just want to make that clear.

I would like to point out to the individual who posted that mularkey about Customs legislating new laws etc. that no individual can enforce any law or regulation without exercising some judgement as to whether or not a scenario fits those laws or regulations. How it could be otherwise is beyond me, especially if that person has studied laws as closely as he claims. Some regs are just plain nebulous to begin with and wide open to interpretation.

Because someone sees something differently than you do doesn't make them a nazi. But hey, that's just the way I see it.

Anyway, I don't try to stop people from bashing cops or my agency, but I reserve the right to respond when I feel appropriate. (Which is less and less, more and more, unfortunately. Sometimes the stuff I read here just makes me shake my head with disbelief and a little sadness and I figure what's the sense in trying to post the facts?)

Submitted for what it's worth. Feel free to flame away. If I don't reply it's only because my dad just went into the hospital today and I don't know how much keyboard time is in the cards for me this weekend.

Blues



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Thank you for a good post, Blues
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. Hope your dad's going to be allright.

Good thread too.

Professor.
 
blues, hope your dad comes out ok. I was just with my granddad who is dying of cancer.

hey blues you got to admit customs agents are trained to be @$$holes. my brother inlaw was the only log haired guy on the bus to vancuver he was searched and harrassed while the whole bus waited no oneelse was. my brother inlaw is a sales rep for a clothes company and very nice and respectful. the agents asked him questions like "do you have any tattooes?" I have also been through quite a few borders myself and most of the time get some silly interogation thing.

this is a great thread I enjoyed reading it.

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FWIW, those guys at the borders and airports are Inspectors. We, on the other hand are in charge of the criminal investigations on behalf of the agency.

Still doesn't excuse bad behavior though, and each incident is a blemish and embarrassment. I think that those sorts of occurences, on the whole, are lessening, though abuses will always crop up. (Like a bad sales rep who gives the entire store a bad name.)

Thanks to you and the Prof for the kind words and thoughts. I appreciate them.

Blues

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[This message has been edited by Blues (edited 12-08-2000).]
 
For the record, Blues and I used to speak on AOL...alot actually. I don't know if you changed your server or what happened...

For the record, "Blues" is not the one that E-mailed me, I don't know if the 2 Forum Members that E-mailed me were LEOs or if they are "Members" at all.

Blues has more class and is more intelligent then to say what those two people said.

They may not have been law enforcement at all, they might have been wannabe's and I don't really care about that. I just want to make sure that everyone knows that it was not Blues and I never mentioned him either.

It has been "common knowledge" for some time that Blues is a S.A. for Customs and that is fine by me. I don't have a problem with any law enforcement except those that do what I posted last. That was not Blues.

What disturbs me is, you cannot be critical in the matter of law enforcement anymore, then you are an A-hole for doing so. That, my friends, is a dangerous trend.

[This message has been edited by Don Rearic (edited 12-08-2000).]
 
I think it is the duty of Customs agents to investigate anything that they consider to be suspicious. Once it has been determined that the materials being investigated are not a problem, they should be returned to the owners without undo delay. It seems in this case that that was not the way things were done. Customs forced CRKT to spend huge amounts of money on legal fees to get their knives back, and then told them if they wanted to get them back that they could not sue for legal costs or lost revenues. It seems that something malicious has happened here, and that is the problem that I have.
Customs agents serve an incredibly important role and not all agents should be painted with the same brush.
I must say though that in my opinion, that in this case they screwed up big time.
After saying all that, I would like to wish everyone a very merry Christmas.
 
Strange theory!

But, how does "the tone that Shackleford took, if anything, endanger the right he wants to defend, the “right to own and carry knives?”

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Posted by Erikfsn:

Insulting law enforcement officers is neither civil nor intelligent. It is not civil because LEOs risk their lives for us and deserve respect.</font>
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I can agree that "insulting anyone" isn't necessarily tactful. But, it doesn't make one less civil nor less intelligent. My heart goes out to all of those who put their lives on the line in the pursuit of freedom and law and order. But does your civilness extend to those bad cops ~ they risk their lives ~ do they deserve respect also?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Posted by Erikfsn:

Those that I've dealt with in the sales forums have been great to deal with. These are the same guys who occasionally give us the law enforcement perspective on the knives we carry and the legalities therein, and how they feel about the "armed citizen." I've got no problems with LEO's. And insulting them is not intelligent because, being human, the natural reaction is to retaliate and they have the means to do so.</font>
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One would think that if a LEO retaliated (naturally) because of this "knife" article.....need not be a trusted agent of the people!

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Posted by Erikfsn:

Shackleford is insulting, AND giving LEOs a strong motive for coming down on all of us, HARD.</font>
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Please! Now that's insulting LEO's.......

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Posted by Erikfsn:

It cannot be beneficial to taunt or verbally abuse LEOs. This is poor form, and reflects badly on our credibility.</font>
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On who's credibility? Us ~ as knife knuts? Us ~ as peoples? Us ~ as readers?


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Posted by Erikfsn:

we do not approve of Shackleton’s insulting tone and that apologies are in order.</font>
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That's your option and opinion.

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Are you a LEO Erikfsn?

Sounds more like promoting submissiveness due to fear (capabilities of the strong arm of the law).........







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