do you live in NY check out the new laws coming our way..

Dan Gray

Dan Gray

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hey guys
get the new Feb issue of Blade and then go to pg 34
some very disturbing news and about gravity knives and liner locks being the same and being outlawed..
I would think there were enough of us to make a difference in these things..

does this mean that neck knives being swug around and it coming out of it's sheath be next called a gravity Knife ???
it's going to be a sad day when we can't carry a knife .. :(
 
Dan Gray said:
hey guys
get the new Feb issue of Blade and then go to pg 34
some very disturbing news and about gravity knives and liner locks being the same and being outlawed..
I would think there were enough of us to make a difference in these things..

does this mean that neck knives being swug around and it coming out of it's sheath be next called a gravity Knife ???
it's going to be a sad day when we can't carry a knife .. :(
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I don't know if there is a rule against it, but can you post this article? If they are gonna outlaw liner locks then I just give up...:(:rolleyes:
 
RedEdge77 said:
I don't know if there is a rule against it, but can you post this article? If they are gonna outlaw liner locks then I just give up...:(:rolleyes:
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I would but it would take me two years to type that out Sorry

the situation is/was as I read it, the judge in the case ruled them as a gravity knife.
the kid lost his case in court..
he was picked up at a train station by a cop when he saw that he had a clip of some sort on his pocket, the policeman asked if he had a pocket knife on him and he said yes and showed it to him, the officer took it and flicked it so the blade came out with centrifugal force without touching the blade and then hauled his butt in for having a gravity knife..

if the decision can be appealed I don't know? if he can afford to appeal it I don't know? this would be too bad for us if not. money talks I'm afraid..
 
Dumbass kid causing trouble for the rest of us knife knuts. You can carry a 4 inch fixed blade in NYC as long as nothing is showing. What got the kid in trouble in the first place was having the pocket clip visible.:grumpy:
 
it's all going to come down to all folders in time if this becomes the law of our country, a back lock with a weak spring can be flicked open if the blade is heavy enouph as well is many other types..

mark my words
once they get into it more one battle at a time they will out law any knife that could posably be made into a so called gravity knife..
 
This is why I don't carry a blade when in NYC. It just isn't worth the aggravation. On a different note, I can flick open my CS Gunsite (a 5inch lockback) but not me spyderco karambit (2.5 inch blade framelock) so banning linerlocks is a stupid, kneejerk reaction with no thought...oh wait most anti-"weapon" legislation is.
I actually own a gravity a knife, just like the German military issued during WWII. For the record, anyone who has one won't EDC it because 1) the originals are worth more than my car 2) they aren't great knives to begin with 3) they really don't open that fast.
 
jdm61 said:
Dumbass kid causing trouble for the rest of us knife knuts. You can carry a 4 inch fixed blade in NYC as long as nothing is showing. What got the kid in trouble in the first place was having the pocket clip visible.:grumpy:
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Joe the disturbing thing here is making the law change..
weather it shows or not if passed regardless if showing or not it will be the law and reason not to even be able to clean your own finger nails with a knife..
I'd hate to think I couldn't show my knife to someone at a NY knife show..:eek:
 
Wow! New York is starting to sound like Canada. Problem is that "flicking a knife has little to do with centrifugal force - and everything to do with inertia. Centrifugal force means you hold the handle and spin in circles to see if the knife opens. I suggest your eyeballs would fall out first.

Gravity is a force - mass times acceleration where the acceleration is 9.8 meters per second squared - barely enough to make a quarter fall out of your pocket.

Of course, the idiot who wrote the legislation intended it exactly as it's being used. They were invisioning a performance of "West Side Story" with some greasy haired punk flicking a $3 flea market knife menacingly. :rolleyes:

Didn't I read somewhere that the US Supreme Court was reviewing the second amandment???

Up here, we call them Liberals. I think you call them Democrats. Don't forget to vote!:thumbup:

Rob!
 
Technically the right to carry a knife is constitutionally protected under the right to bear arms....I live in Colorado and carry two knives everywhere I go, both clipped on my pocket. I have never had a word said to me. In CO the law makes more sense and that is that a knife is legally carried if it is NOT concealed. The knife you can't see is typically more dangerous than the one you can. Everyone knows I carry a knife on me at all times. I make no bones about it and everyone realizes its a tool and not a weapon. I do carry my Gerber LMF-II Infantry in my belt, just the rubberized sheath and not any of the nylon and go into stores and have been stopped and asked about it three times and not gotten one word about it being a problem or anything. The plain sight law in colorado is pretty clear, even though technically it is still an illegal knife where I am. I would say that anyone who has problems in any state should argue the constitutionality of the laws, most states have no permit to carry knives and since they are required for guns it should be equal. I will choose a knife fight over a gunfight anyday thank you...
 
Rob! said:
Wow! New York is starting to sound like Canada. Problem is that "flicking a knife has little to do with centrifugal force - and everything to do with inertia. Centrifugal force means you hold the handle and spin in circles to see if the knife opens. I suggest your eyeballs would fall out first.

Gravity is a force - mass times acceleration where the acceleration is 9.8 meters per second squared - barely enough to make a quarter fall out of your pocket.

Of course, the idiot who wrote the legislation intended it exactly as it's being used. They were invisioning a performance of "West Side Story" with some greasy haired punk flicking a $3 flea market knife menacingly. :rolleyes:

Didn't I read somewhere that the US Supreme Court was reviewing the second amandment???

Up here, we call them Liberals. I think you call them Democrats. Don't forget to vote!:thumbup:

Rob!
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I know Rob but that was the way the article mentioned it.. could be the
that officer was doing a ballerina toe twisty thingy while trying to open it :D
loop hole, loop hole,
 
Silly , ridiculous news Dan , er Mr. Gray. :) ( I do mean the fact that linerlocks were banned is silly and ridiculius , not you reporting it ) - edit

But then , this is New York were talking about , I would not be surpised if Kalifornia was next.
Not that , that would stop me from carrying though. :)
 
rebeltf said:
Silly , ridiculous news Dan , er Mr. Gray. :) ( I do mean the fact that linerlocks were banned is silly and ridiculius , not you reporting it ) - edit

But then , this is New York were talking about , I would not be surpised if Kalifornia was next.
Not that , that would stop me from carrying though. :)
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I understand ;) and
My Dad is Mr Gray :)
untill My Dad passes away you can call me Dan :D
 
Let me be the first to go to jail :mad: The day I cant carry a knife is the day I pack my sh!t and move out of NY.

Every day I take the bus to work,transfer to the subway and lets face it sometimes a little peice of mind is attained when carrying a knife.God knows if criminals arent afraid to use weapons to attack,why should we be defensless?
Here's a pic of my benchmade EDC (summer carry) Winter pants dont have that sweet loop.
edcbenchmade.jpg


and I'll be damned if I dont say hello to the NYPD on the way home every day
 
Up here, we call them Liberals. I think you call them Democrats. Don't forget to vote!
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They banned trans-fats in NYC. The liberals will give just the thing you need in the soup line socialist paradise.

If there wasn't trans-fats, people wouldn't be fat...if there weren't knives, people wouldn't be stabbed...if there weren't rich people, poor people wouldn't know they weren't rich. We must do away with all these things.

Don't forget to vote!
 
What gets me about the article is the prosicuter tryed eveyway posible to get the expert witness to addmit that a linner lock is a gravity knife. When he wouldn't he wasn't called to testify. Sounds more like the prosicuter was dishonoring there oath and making an example out of someone through a loop hole and histerics. I have to wonder what is happing to the world we live in? Where has the comon sence gone? Down south you'd get lafted at for trying something like that. Is it a posible knee jerk reaction to the second ammendment being up for review in the supream court because of DC's gun ban was ruled unconstitutional and it's just anouther way to fight it?

Am I the only one that see's anouther civil war coming sometime in the not to distant future? Hopefully after my life time.
 
Having looked at the weapons laws in New York State to make sure I don't get arrested for making anything illegal here, the definition of a gravity knife is (I forget the exact verbiage) any blade knife the blade of which can be deployed by gravity, or centrifugal force. Sad to say, that law has been the same since 1991 which was the first time I got a copy of it to look at. Technically if the blade does not have enough spring friction to make it impossible to spin it out, in New York it is a gravity knife, one of the reasons I will not attempt to make any sort of folding knife that does not have a backspring type lock.

New York has some pretty goofy weapon laws, but I will still choose Upstate New York over the Peoples Republik of New Jersey anyday!

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